Only the unsaved soul can support genocide

[ScottA]

I see you have edited the paragraph. You removed the part where you said you stood before God.

This morning it came to me to ask you what did God look like? That is why I searched for the paragraph again.

No, I didn't edit it out. Post #74, below:

You don't know what you are saying. I have stood before Him already.

He looked like my father.

 

[ScottA]

ScottA's posts before you jumped on me are in extreme difference to the words he used to explain them, warning me to be considerate minded. I live this, the ending years of my life, in complete subjection to the Ruah (Holy Spirt} and no matter how I feel, when a thing troubles the Spirit in my heart, I will always approach such with cautious inquiry. Paul and John were inspired by my God to record their events in Holy Scripture, this man it turns out is Hawking his book instead of being stoned or imprisoned and boiled in oil?

The measure is not a few verses drawn from the original context, ijndeed not! The measure is, how does his message fit with the context that flows from "In the beginning..." continuously through the final "Amen" of Rev. 22. The thoughts he has expressed violate everything I have ever learned from my 34+ years of study.

So, you make yourself God and Judge--because you are qualified by everything you "have ever learned?" Is that it?

Folks, ScottA has hijacked this string and that is sad.

No...you falsely accuse. The topic is Israel. Did you not even know that it what I was posting about?

 

[BillTaylor]

So, you make yourself God and Judge--because you are qualified by everything you "have ever learned?" Is that it?

I suppose that because you stood before the Father in Heaven you have a prooftext to use against my discernment?

No...you falsely accuse. The topic is Israel. Did you not even know that it what I was posting about?

I do not hawk my writings here but you have done that. And the topic is not Israel in any direct manor. The topic is about America supporting genocide. And since Israel is still defending there-self from Iran/Hamas, bombs dropped are the attempted genocide by radical Ishmael.

 

[BillTaylor]

No, I didn't edit it out. Post #74, below:


He looked like my father.

That is not discription but it is one slippery slope. My father was over 6' tall with hair all over his body. Do you care to elaborate and honestly tell us what Elohim looks like in person? Inquiring minds want to know.

 

[Ziggy]

I live this, the ending years of my life, in complete subjection to the Ruah (Holy Spirt} and no matter how I feel, when a thing troubles the Spirit in my heart, I will always approach such with cautious inquiry.

I hear you.
But that sword turns both ways.
I pray you have years my friend. Some of us rely daily in complete subection no matter what.
Caution is fine but accusing is another thing.

If you don't agree with something, think like, changing the channel on the tv set.

The thoughts he has expressed violate everything I have ever learned from my 34+ years of study.

I been studying for over 40 and I have learned that nothing amazes me.
That the saying, "God works in mysterious ways" is an understatement.

Its alright to disagree, but from what I see, is a bunch of piranha's looking for something to chew on.

just my observation with the time I have been given.

Just be nice.
I know in this day and age that is a HARD ask, but shouldn't have to be asked in the first place.
At least not here.
But here we are.

 

[Anchorite]

No, I didn't edit it out. Post #74, below:


He looked like my father.

God appeared to you in the likeness of your earthly father?

That sounds extremely unlikely. God would not confuse Himself with your earthly dad.

 

[ScottA]

I suppose that because you stood before the Father in Heaven you have a prooftext to use against my discernment?

Here is what you supposed:

Tell me about your visit in terms that align with God's Measure and I may believe. God told us to test the spirits and I am testing. Will you pass?

The Measure Yehovah has left for our use is the Holy Bible.

First, the Holy Bible is one measure, not all by far, but elementary as Paul said referring to Jesus' teachings, "Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this we will do if God permits" (Hebrews 6:1-3). About which, he elaborated elsewhere to say, "But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14). Which is to say, there is no limit...as John also said, "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen" (John 21:25). The measure of which Jesus himself defined saying, "The words that I speak to you are spirit" (John 6:63). The greater frame and measure of which is "God is spirit" (John 4:24), "Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit." also defined in the Psalms, as "Great is our Lord, and of great power: his understanding is infinite" (Psalm 147:5).

As for your own understanding and supposition of being by the "Holy Spirit", "The light of the body is the eye: therefore when thine eye is single, thy whole body also is full of light; but when thine eye is evil, thy body also is full of darkness. Take heed therefore that the light which is in thee be not darkness" (Luke 11:34-35). Which could be said of anyone...except for the qualification you yourself stated as, "Paul and John were inspired by my God to record their events in Holy Scripture." Now that.

You reject and accuse me because what I have said does not fit with what you have learned. But what do the scriptures say of these times? I'm not going to give all the details--you should know better than I should have to explain further--but the beginning is Jesus reporting that He had "somewhat against" five out of seven churches He named, and "there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you" (2 Peter 2:1), resulting in "strong delusion" and the believing of "a lie" (2 Thessalonians 2:11). From which many have "learned" what they believe to be true--although "strong delusion" leaves little room for true. It would be more correct to say, what most believe--is in fact--not true.

But what then, has God left us only to be victims? No--that is not all that is written. It is also written that we be lead "into all truth", and that during these days "the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets" (John 16:13, Revelation 10:7).

But I speak of such things and you rejected it. Go figure!

What then should one or the many likely deluded as foretold, be looking for? Fulfillment according to all that was taught and learned and believed, but more than likely delusion? If you have not taken a full grasp of what was foretold and should now be understood as the common reality within the church and its most common beliefs and teachings--do it now! Or suffer the full consequence of all that is written.

Alternatively, what we should all be doing is getting to those passages of "false teachers" and "strong delusion", and stop--just stop!

And then refer to what God has left to us also regarding how we get from "delusion" to "all truth...as He declared to His servants the prophets." Of which I have quoted the passages already--but you had not yet stopped. And it does not appear that you will. Sadly.

 

[ScottA]

That is not discription but it is one slippery slope. My father was over 6' tall with hair all over his body. Do you care to elaborate and honestly tell us what Elohim looks like in person? Inquiring minds want to know.

I have already told you to change your tone, and your above post does not make it look like you are at all ready to have an honest, objective, unemotional look at what has been centuries of suspect teachings.

But I will get started (addressing the "unsaved soul" part of the topic, respectfully):

John said it correctly, "No man hath seen God at any time" (1 John 4:12). "No man." "At any time." Understand what is being said: "man" in "time", is "of the dust of the ground".."for dust you are and to dust you will return." But "God is spirit", and "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." And it takes an act of God to reveal or open the eyes of those "at any time" to see that which is only visible in the spiritual realm of God. Like this: "Then Elisha prayed and said, 'O Lord, please open his eyes that he may see.' So the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha." Also understand, that the above spiritual vision given by God to Elisha...was not the Pentecost, Holy Spirit, experience of being born again of the spirit of God. So, no, everyone with the Holy Spirit does not see equally or fully, "at any time" as many believe. Because, in time, things are "here a little, there a little" and limited to the spiritual gifts given by God "here a little, there a little" for good works in the building of His church.

Therefore, when I said I have already stood before God and that He looked like my father--two things: First, I rightly used the scriptures to identify just what it was that I had experienced and what the circumstances should be viewed as...as there is only one spoken of in the scriptures that the words I used apply to. Granted, that makes me one truly sent from God (with those credentials and authority), or a demon. And yes--by all means, do test every spirit. Still, there is only one, and such a one would then be equipped by God to fulfill what? This is a huge subject--which began, as it is written with Paul. Was Paul the start or the finish--the fulfillment--of the church age and the times of the gentiles? Only the beginning. So, as Paul said, "of such a one will I glory"--could he reasonably, actually, have been talking about himself--if the "finish" was not to occur for thousands of years when the seventh angel is about to sound?

If you are reasonable, you will say, No, Paul was not talking about himself. If so, second, then the finish is spoken of by John.

If you are up to being reasonable, quote this and start a new thread.

@TLHKAJ
@Debp

 

[ScottA]

God appeared to you in the likeness of your earthly father?

That sounds extremely unlikely. God would not confuse Himself with your earthly dad.

On the contrary, I was caught up in the spirit having called upon God for the first time ever, before ever knowing Him or ever reading of Him. Under the circumstances "my father in heaven" was the perfect visual...which then hit home when afterward He arranged for me to be alone in a room with a Bible for 10 days, which I read from cover to cover like a novel--it confirming my experience, and my experience confirming the Word of God all to be true, as none other could have arranged or made such manifest.

 

[Wrangler]

This is genocide:

Is there anything in the Bible where genocide is supported? How about the extinction of all mankind?

 

[Debp]

If you don't agree with something, think like, changing the channel on the tv set.

Ziggy when someone claims to have actually stood before God, I think @BillTaylor had grounds to question that. As did I.

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy when someone claims to have actually stood before God, I think @BillTaylor had grounds to question that. As did I.

Good, question it.
But I haven't heard you come out and accuse people.

I'm not picking sides here.
I'm not a JUDGE.
I figure the Lord will figure it out.
In the meantime,
maybe we can treat each other a little more civil?
I know the world is in chaos but do we have to hammer each other here too?
Would be easier to just say, I don't agree and walk away.
But you know, the atmosphere here sometimes get's pretty NASTY.
Just saying
Hugs

 

[BillTaylor]

I have already told you to change your tone, and your above post does not make it look like you are at all ready to have an honest, objective, unemotional look at what has been centuries of suspect teachings.

But I will get started (addressing the "unsaved soul" part of the topic, respectfully):

John said it correctly, "No man hath seen God at any time" (1 John 4:12). "No man." "At any time." Understand what is being said: "man" in "time", is "of the dust of the ground".."for dust you are and to dust you will return." But "God is spirit", and "The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit." And it takes an act of God to reveal or open the eyes of those "at any time" to see that which is only visible in the spiritual realm of God. Like this: "Then Elisha prayed and said, 'O Lord, please open his eyes that he may see.' So the Lord opened the eyes of the young man, and he saw, and behold, the mountain was full of horses and chariots of fire all around Elisha." Also understand, that the above spiritual vision given by God to Elisha...was not the Pentecost, Holy Spirit, experience of being born again of the spirit of God. So, no, everyone with the Holy Spirit does not see equally or fully, "at any time" as many believe. Because, in time, things are "here a little, there a little" and limited to the spiritual gifts given by God "here a little, there a little" for good works in the building of His church.

Therefore, when I said I have already stood before God and that He looked like my father--two things: First, I rightly used the scriptures to identify just what it was that I had experienced and what the circumstances should be viewed as...as there is only one spoken of in the scriptures that the words I used apply to. Granted, that makes me one truly sent from God (with those credentials and authority), or a demon. And yes--by all means, do test every spirit. Still, there is only one, and such a one would then be equipped by God to fulfill what? This is a huge subject--which began, as it is written with Paul. Was Paul the start or the finish--the fulfillment--of the church age and the times of the gentiles? Only the beginning. So, as Paul said, "of such a one will I glory"--could he reasonably, actually, have been talking about himself--if the "finish" was not to occur for thousands of years when the seventh angel is about to sound?

If you are reasonable, you will say, No, Paul was not talking about himself. If so, second, then the finish is spoken of by John.

If you are up to being reasonable, quote this and start a new thread.

@TLHKAJ
@Debp

That is a great deal of verbage to have avoided the twice asked question.

 

[BillTaylor]

On the contrary, I was caught up in the spirit having called upon God for the first time ever, before ever knowing Him or ever reading of Him. Under the circumstances "my father in heaven" was the perfect visual...which then hit home when afterward He arranged for me to be alone in a room with a Bible for 10 days, which I read from cover to cover like a novel--it confirming my experience, and my experience confirming the Word of God all to be true, as none other could have arranged or made such manifest.

You do not ring true,
English Standard Version Exodus 33:20
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”

 

[CrowCross]

Is there anything in the Bible where genocide is supported? How about the extinction of all mankind?

Yes. God told the Israelites to wipe out Amalek.

1 Sam 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”

Thing is this "genocide" was to destroy the giants and their progeny and to keep the linage from who Jesus was to arrive pure.

The "genocide" we witness today is not Godly and for a different reason.

 

[BillTaylor]

Good, question it.
But I haven't heard you come out and accuse people.

I'm not picking sides here.
I'm not a JUDGE.
I figure the Lord will figure it out.
In the meantime,
maybe we can treat each other a little more civil?
I know the world is in chaos but do we have to hammer each other here too?ere
Would be easier to just say, I don't agree and walk away.
But you know, the atmosphere here sometimes get's pretty NASTY.
Just saying
Hugs

Ziggy, Posting on the internet where simple minded folks and little children can read it is known as teaching. Teachers of truth must never err and this one does not ring true. I began with nice and he avoided answering, as I recall. I'm almost 82 now and not prone to accept False Teachers. This person, like myself is subject to a more strict judgement because we teach and I do not wish to see him in the Lake of Fire.

 

[ScottA]

You do not ring true,
English Standard Version Exodus 33:20
But,” he said, “you cannot see my face, for man shall not see me and live.”

You do not read or quote true. That passage doesn't even fit with what I said, and yet I said nothing contrary.

 

[BillTaylor]

Yes. God told the Israelites to wipe out Amalek.

1 Sam 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.
Thing is this "genocide" was to destroy the giants and their progeny and to keep the linage from who Jesus was to arrive pure.

The "genocide" we witness today is not Godly and for a different reason.

Then issue here is mis-defined. These Palestinians are not, period! There has never been a Palestinian Nation. They are Muslims, not all, that are bent on genocide against the people of Judah, Missals from the air almost always kill the innocent. The Iranian missals fired by the Radical Hamas Terrorist murders Judah every day and they have been called God's People by YHWH. They have the right to defend if attacked and they are... daily

 

[BillTaylor]

You do not read or quote true. That passage doesn't even fit with what I said, and yet I said nothing contrary.

You claim God's face is your father's face but if you saw the face of Elohime you would be dead, the scripture applies and you are as false a prophet as was Mohammed. Your words are not true and you must repent.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Then issue here is mis-defined. These Palestinians are not, period! There has never been a Palestinian Nation. They are Muslims, not all, that are bent on genocide against the people of Judah, Missals from the air almost always kill the innocent. The Iranian missals fired by the Radical Hamas Terrorist murders Judah every day and they have been called God's People by YHWH. They have the right to defend if attacked and they are... daily

Thats right, there has never been a Palestinian state or nation.