Only the unsaved soul can support genocide

[Luther7]

This is genocide:

The Trump administration is preparing a multi billion-dollar sale of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel in the largest single sale of the controversial munition in recent years, a U.S. official told The Washington Post.

The $2.8 billion package, which would be purchased with U.S. taxpayer dollars, includes 40,000 bombs that weigh 2,000 pounds each, including 20,000 MK-84s and 20,000 BLU-117s, said the official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss military matters. The sale also includes 20,000 I-2000 Penetrator warheads.

Among the most destructive munitions in Western military arsenals, an MK-84 explosion sends metal fragments in every direction for thousands of feet, can rip through metal and thick concrete, and often creates large craters in the earth.

If anyone claims to be a Christian and supports this I'd like to hear your view on how this would be justified in God's sight . I can't even believe I have to post something like this. But then again, I can't believe how anyone could support taking the lives of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, let alone calling yourself a Christian.

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react? Would you still worship them?

 

[Jack]

Isn't it amazing how God fights for Israel! PTL!

 

[Luther7]

Isn't it amazing how God fights for Israel! PTL!

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react? Would you still worship them?

 

[Anchorite]

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react? Would you still worship them?

Who said anyone worships Israel?

 

[Jack]

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react?

IF??? your fairy tale comes back to haunt you on Judgment DAY ...

Would you still worship them?

Your question strongly implies a LIE! I ONLY worship Jesus, God of the Bible.

Do you even know where Jesus will return?

 

[Luther7]

Who said anyone worships Israel?

I use the term " worship" to make the point that most Christians today believe that the "jewish" people have a special relationship with God with special promises so we are then coherced into supporting them at any cost- even the cost of genocide.
If Christians only understood that they in fact are God's chosen people, that God owes nothing to these people ( because we are in the New Covenant, and who you are is irrelevant), and that the requirement for Christ's second coming does not depend on the affairs of these people, maybe then the scales will be lifted.

 

[Jack]

I use the term " worship" to make the point that most Christians today believe that the "jewish" people have a special relationship with God with special promises so we are then coherced into supporting them at any cost- even the cost of genocide.
If Christians only understood that they in fact are God's chosen people, that God owes nothing to these people ( because we are in the New Covenant, and who you are is irrelevant), and that the requirement for Christ's second coming does not depend on the affairs of these people, maybe then the scales will be lifted.

Sit back and watch God bless Israel again and again ....

Israel has their Land back and NOBODY will remove them! God said so.

 

[Luther7]

IF??? your fairy tale comes back to haunt you on Judgment DAY ...

Your question strongly implies a LIE! I ONLY worship Jesus, God of the Bible.

Do you even know where Jesus will return?

It's a hypothetical question. The point is you have no problem with thousands of people being torn apart from these US made missiles AS LONG AS YOU AREN'T ONE OF THEM. But I have news for you. They hate you just as much as they hate any other NON- jew. I hope you will understand that. Soon.

 

[Jack]

It's a hypothetical question.

Yeah, your imagination.

The point is you have no problem with thousands of people being torn apart from these US made missiles AS LONG AS YOU AREN'T ONE OF THEM.

I don't have any problem whatsoever what God does for Israel!

But I have news for you. They hate you just as much as they hate any other NON- jew. I hope you will understand that. Soon.

IOW you don't have a clue where Jesus will return!

 

[Anchorite]

Genesis 12

2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him.

 

[Jack]

Genesis 12

2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him.

Amen!

 

[Luther7]

Yeah, your imagination.

I don't have any problem whatsoever what God does for Israel!

IOW you don't have a clue where Jesus will return!

Revelation 1:7 KJV
Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Matthew 24:27,30 KJV
For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
[30] And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Thessalonians 4:17 KJV
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Wherever you are on this earth if you were waiting for Jesus, you will see Him.

 

[Luther7]

Genesis 12

2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him.

I will bless them that bless you. This is a promise to an individual, not a nation. And that individual, Abraham, represents the seed of Christ as we so clearly read in
Galatians 3:16:
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

We even read that ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH shall be blessed. This has nothing to do with a nation state the size of New Jersey. But it has everything to do with God's chosen people, Christians.

 

[Anchorite]

I will bless them that bless you. This is a promise to an individual, not a nation. And that individual, Abraham, represents the seed of Christ as we so clearly read in
Galatians 3:16:
Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

We even read that ALL THE FAMILIES OF THE EARTH shall be blessed. This has nothing to do with a nation state the size of New Jersey. But it has everything to do with God's chosen people, Christians.

But the scripture says “I will make you a great nation” to Abram.

Thus, the subsequent use of “you” refers to both Abram and that great nation, Israel.

Your Replacement Theology is in error.


Genesis 12

2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him.

 

[quietthinker]

It's a hypothetical question. The point is you have no problem with thousands of people being torn apart from these US made missiles AS LONG AS YOU AREN'T ONE OF THEM. But I have news for you. They hate you just as much as they hate any other NON- jew. I hope you will understand that. Soon.

Luther, you have no need to justify yourself. Your position on genocide is absolutely correct.
The murderous rage exercised by the religious on Jesus in his day is still exercised. "What you have done to the least of these you have done it to me'.

 

[Luther7]

But the scripture says “I will make you a great nation” to Abram.

Thus, the subsequent use of “you” refers to both Abram and that great nation, Israel.

Your Replacement Theology is in error.


Genesis 12

2 I will make you a great nation;
I will bless you
And make your name great;
And you shall be a blessing.

3 I will bless those who bless you,
And I will curse him who curses you;
And in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.

4 So Abram departed as the Lord had spoken to him, and Lot went with him.

You appear to have no spiritual discernment as the great nation can only refer to the true believers in Jesus Christ. How can anyone dare say that there is any other great nation as that? How ridiculous is it to say that a nation of rebellious people will take precedence over the body of Christ Read your Bible:

1 Peter 2:9 KJV
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

 

[Anchorite]

You appear to have no spiritual discernment as the great nation can only refer to the true believers in Jesus Christ. How can anyone dare say that there is any other great nation as that? How ridiculous is it to say that a nation of rebellious people will take precedence over the body of Christ Read your Bible:

1 Peter 2:9 KJV
But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light:

You are floundering around in anger, falsely attributing statements to me that I did not make. I did not say that Israel took precedence over the body of Christ.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob gave the world national Israel, a great nation that conquered pagan tribes surrounding them.

Heathen nations that cursed and attacked Israel were cursed by God, as was promised.

Israel was able to spread the knowledge of the true God to places like Persia, from which came the magi who worshiped the child Jesus.

 

[ScottA]

This is genocide:

The Trump administration is preparing a multi billion-dollar sale of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel in the largest single sale of the controversial munition in recent years, a U.S. official told The Washington Post.

The $2.8 billion package, which would be purchased with U.S. taxpayer dollars, includes 40,000 bombs that weigh 2,000 pounds each, including 20,000 MK-84s and 20,000 BLU-117s, said the official, who like others spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss military matters. The sale also includes 20,000 I-2000 Penetrator warheads.

Among the most destructive munitions in Western military arsenals, an MK-84 explosion sends metal fragments in every direction for thousands of feet, can rip through metal and thick concrete, and often creates large craters in the earth.

If anyone claims to be a Christian and supports this I'd like to hear your view on how this would be justified in God's sight . I can't even believe I have to post something like this. But then again, I can't believe how anyone could support taking the lives of tens of thousands of innocent civilians, let alone calling yourself a Christian.

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react? Would you still worship them?

Three things:

1) Those who love God and are His, do not at all like war anymore than God does. But war in its greatest definition--is God's solution to everything under the sun--this is war, the dividing of the light from the darkness. What then, should we not take up the whole armor of God that the metaphor and teaching comes from? Should Joshua not have gone out to fight and to kill--sometimes everything that drew breath, or David? And what did you think Christ was doing when He went to the cross--making peace? No, but conquering the enemy--killing.

2) There is more going on in Israel and the Middle East than meets the eye or is commonly known. Unfortunately--well, it's quite complex--but America, in spite of seemingly going over with chest puffed out as a strongman defending a small, God-fearing, allied nation...is a victim. But regardless of not being fully aware of all that is going on, is it wrong to build up the storehouses to aid in the war against God and His people? Not at all, but commendable. In reality however, don't be surprised if the weapons deal never happens--there are other ways to wage war--sometimes just a press release.

3) In light of #1 and #2, you are speaking against--judging--condemning--many who are possibly innocent, perhaps even victims, or actually fighting in the Lord's army.

 

[Luther7]

You are floundering around in anger, falsely attributing statements to me that I did not make. I did not say that Israel took precedence over the body of Christ.

Abraham, Isaac, Jacob gave the world national Israel, a great nation that conquered pagan tribes surrounding them.

Heathen nations that cursed and attacked Israel were cursed by God, as was promised.

Israel was able to spread the knowledge of the true God to places like Persia, from which came the magi who worshiped the child Jesus.

But the nation of Israel is no longer in the picture. And they weren't a great nation at all. Actually they didn't obey God and they didn't conquer all the evil tribes that they were supposed to. As a matter of fact, if you read the Old Testament they crept into the nation of Israel and what we have today is a shining example of that.
Did you know a great percentage of Jews that fled Jerusalem after AD 70 were Edomites that converted to Judaism? Theoretically the people that you see in Israel today most likely have an Edomite ancestry.

 

[Luther7]

Three things:

1) Those who love God and are His, do not at all like war anymore than God does. But war in its greatest definition--is God's solution to everything under the sun--this is war, the dividing of the light from the darkness. What then, should we not take up the whole armor of God that the metaphor and teaching comes from? Should Joshua not have gone out to fight and to kill--sometimes everything that drew breath, or David? And what did you think Christ was doing when He went to the cross--making peace? No, but conquering the enemy--killing.

2) There is more going on in Israel and the Middle East than meets the eye or is commonly known. Unfortunately--well, it's quite complex--but America, in spite of seemingly going over with chest puffed out as a strongman defending a small, God-fearing, allied nation...is a victim. But regardless of not being fully aware of all that is going on, is it wrong to build up the storehouses to aid in the war against God and His people? Not at all, but commendable. In reality however, don't be surprised if the weapons deal never happens--there are other ways to wage war--sometimes just a press release.

3) In light of #1 and #2, you are speaking against--judging--condemning--many who are possibly innocent, perhaps even victims, or actually fight in the Lord's army.

Why are you comparing the Old Testament with what's going on today? They're two totally different things. First of all, we live in the age of the New Covenant. We're not going by Mosaic law anymore, are we? And if everyone is under the New Covenant that would mean these Jews as well, right? Or do you think they have a separate special plan from God, like another Covenant or something?

I think that's the main problem. Jesus tells us to love our neighbor. He forbids murdering of the innocent especially children. Why in the world would you say those things?