Sinless Perfection. Why do so many teach against what Jesus taught?

[Episkopos]

Okay, then explain this:

Galatians 3:2-4
2Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law, or by hearing with faith?
5Does God lavish His Spirit on you and work miracles among you because you practice the law, or because you hear and believe?

So are you saying that your beliefs produce miracles? Or just pretend miracles? Faith is toward God. When we believe with all our hearts God then translates us to walk in a miraculous place....in holiness.....without sin.

You are WAYYY too indoctrinated into a false religious apprehension to understand spiritual things.

Just read the verses you posted again without the self-interest.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

It is BECAUSE I know the spiritual walk that I expose pretenders such as yourself who declare themselves forgiven and righteous based on reading the bible.

No, based on hearing and believing what the Bible says. Lots of people read/hear the Bible. Few believe it and are justified.

Justification is by believing what you hear because that is how you receive what the Bible says is the way to be right with him. The sacrifice of Jesus that justifies was brought to God for you. You didn't do that. So you receive the effect of his sacrifice for justification by having faith in what God has said he has done for you. That is what it means to be justified 'by faith'. You can't see what God has done for you. It can only be received by faith.

And no one is declaring themselves forgiven and righteous. That declaration comes from God's own word that those who will believe in the blood of Jesus for the forgiveness of sin and the turning away of his wrath will be justified and receive eternal life and enter into the kingdom.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

When we believe with all our hearts God then translates us to walk in a miraculous place....in holiness.....without sin.

Depends on what you 'believe with all your heart'.

If you believe with all your heart that your holiness is the righteousness by which God will declare you righteous, then, no, you will not be translated to walk in holiness. Faith in the sacrifice of Jesus on your behalf is what translates you into the supernatural power of the Spirit for daily living. God gives the Spirit in response to faith in Jesus' blood, not your works.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

So are you saying that your beliefs produce miracles?

Paul is saying you receive the Spirit, by which God does miraculous things, by the hearing of faith (believing what you heard), not by the righteousness of works.

Faith is toward God.

Yes, but it is what you have faith in God about that determines if you have the benefit of the Spirit in that faith. Having faith in your obedience to be declared righteous does not solicit the Holy Spirit and the miraculous things wrought by the Spirit. Having faith in the blood of Christ for the turning away of God's wrath and the expiation of sin does.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

You are WAYYY too indoctrinated into a false religious apprehension to understand spiritual things.

I'm indoctrinated by the plain verses of scripture I showed you. You have yet to show those scriptures to be false as to the apprehending of justification and salvation and eternal life. You are the one who does not believe them, not us. You are the one who does not have the hearing of faith.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Just read the verses you posted again without the self-interest.

I'm the one excusing self-interest and self-promotion, not you. You are the one who is enamored with trying to justify yourself by your righteous works, not me. And I'm supposed to be the self-centric, egotistical one? You're kidding, right?

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm the one excusing self-interest and self-promotion, not you. You are the one who is enamored with trying to justify yourself by your righteous works, not me. And I'm supposed to be the self-centric, egotistical one? You're kidding, right?

heed not a word that comes out of the mouth of that man . Inclusivism preaches A FALSE GOSPEL . we dont heed THAT .

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

Exactly. Unless you are born again you cannot perceive or enter the spiritual realm to walk as Jesus walked....without sin.

But you still sin. So now what?

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

As soon as you bring sin into the equation you are fully out of the sphere of spiritual life and holiness. In fact it is a MUCH worse sin to sin in holiness.

You still sin. Now what?

 

[amigo de christo]

But you still sin. So now what?

Friend the man commits great sin .
Imagine on the day of judgment having to stand and explain why one thought it was okay To call GOD a liar .
depsite the fact he , as in epi , had been warned over and over again not to do so .
The man preaches a false gospel . There will be no forgivness of sin for epi . UNLESS he repents of that inclusive gospel .
Inclusivism has been sold to the false religions in a way that each relgioin could relate to it .
As it was in christendom in a way that each denomination could receive it .
But in the end it all boils down to a fat LIE .
Imagine , ponder , and shudder in terror for those who do and who did such a thing
And worse this inclusive false gospel , came in FROM men in wool . Using even the name OF JESUS to sell it .
SHUDDER in total terror for them and pray they repent fast . I dont heed a word one from epi .
I warn against any who brings a false gospel . And he does .

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

In your indoctrination you equate being born again with "getting saved".

Everybody who has the Spirit within them is saved. By virtue of the Spirit within them they are born again and have become children of God.

1 John 3:1
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are!

And because they are a child of God they are in line for the inheritance by virtue of that birth. The slaves in the family are not. Why would you think otherwise, except that you think being born again and becoming a child of God happens by working as a slave in the family?

But those who are born again will be judged much harder than those who are not. Because to whom much is given MORE is required.

By virtue of being saved/born again, saved, born again people are equipped to do that which saved/born again people are expected to do. You don't MAKE yourself a saved, born again person by working. You SHOW yourself to be a saved, born again person by what you do.

 

[amigo de christo]

Everybody who has the Spirit within them is saved. By virtue of the Spirit within them they are born again and have become children of God.

1 John 3:1
1Behold what manner of love the Father has given to us, that we should be called children of God. And that is what we are!

And because they are a child of God they are in line for the inheritance by virtue of that birth. The slaves in the family are not. Why would you think otherwise, except that you think being born again and becoming a child of God happens by working as a slave in the family?


By virtue of being saved/born again, saved, born again people are equipped to do that which saved/born again people are expected to do. You don't MAKE yourself a saved, born again person by working. You SHOW yourself to be a saved, born again person by what you do.

lets add just a wee bit to the end of this .
Where you wrote
You SHOW yourself to be saved , born again person by your deeds and your words .
BY WHO YOU ACTUALLY BELEIVE .
Does one beleive in a false relgoin . BAD NEWS its a lie .
Does one even claim to beleive in JESUS and yet follows another jesus . BAD NEWS , A LIE .
And no born again human being would ever have called Jesus accursed . AS EVERY FALSE RELIGOIN DOES .
accursed does not mean cursed . IT means put out , not necessary .
ME OH MY we got problems in the house .
Many can even claim to BELEIVE in JESUS and yet all along was following only a jesus
that fed their own lustful d esires .
And many can even cliam to believe on JESUS , and yet do as epi does , and say ITS NOT NECESSARY to have
had to EVEN FIRST BELEIVED ON HIM . OH yeah we got problems .
A born again WOULD have BOTH CONFESSED JESUS , beleived HE DID die for our sins and was raised again
the third day , and have loved HIS teachings . cause THE SPIRIT
of the HOLY GOD would have been THEIR TEACHER . Do feel free to ask questions
if something might not have been understood in what i said and i will happily answer my friend .

 

[Marvelloustime]

lets add just a wee bit to the end of this .
Where you wrote
You SHOW yourself to be saved , born again person by your deeds and your words .
BY WHO YOU ACTUALLY BELEIVE .
Does one beleive in a false relgoin . BAD NEWS its a lie .
Does one even claim to beleive in JESUS and yet follows another jesus . BAD NEWS , A LIE .
And no born again human being would ever have called Jesus accursed . AS EVERY FALSE RELIGOIN DOES .
accursed does not mean cursed . IT means put out , not necessary .
ME OH MY we got problems in the house .
Many can even claim to BELEIVE in JESUS and yet all along was following only a jesus
that fed their own lustful d esires .
And many can even cliam to believe on JESUS , and yet do as epi does , and say ITS NOT NECESSARY to have
had to EVEN FIRST BELEIVED ON HIM . OH yeah we got problems .
A born again WOULD have BOTH CONFESSED JESUS , beleived HE DID die for our sins and was raised again
the third day , and have loved HIS teachings . cause THE SPIRIT
of the HOLY GOD would have been THEIR TEACHER . Do feel free to ask questions
if something might not have been understood in what i said and i will happily answer my friend .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

You are always confusing righteousness and holiness. The Catholic church has a place in the world....it is a cultural religion that keeps evil at bay. In countries that have abandoned Catholicism, sinful behaviour sky-rockets.

Catholicism treats people as children...and this helps for many to stay simple and child-like in their faith. For a long time Catholicsm forbade reading the bible to avoid what we see in the Protestant church. There is no perfect way for imperfect people. So by expunging the higher aspiration among the potentially hypocritical and unlearned among them, they opted for a simple piety...meaning the feeling of God through the senses. Catholicism is very easy because even sensual people can get it. Of course it is not spiritual....but neither is MOST Protestantism. Preserving tamim (guilelessness) in the end is MORE important than knowing God for us individually in judgment....because we will all be judged based on righteousness....not holiness. Those who know God but act without a child-like innocence God calls LAWLESS. It is no wonder that so many evangelicals will be rejected because they spoke against the righteous, even condemning their Catholic brethren.

The saints rule over the righteous in eternity.


Pretenders think that being born again is the ticket to a sure inheritance...and that they can now judge others based on their assumed status. But grace is deceitful for the ego driven people who claim to have a higher righteousness based on their beliefs.

So the very worst believers are evangelicals.....also a few among the best. The reformation is only good for a tiny remnant....the rest being puffed up by religious hubris based on the great delusion SENT BY GOD.

For myself, I seek to love all my brothers....no matter the tradition. I can only go as far as my own behaviour allows me to be a witness of something more.


Here is wisdom... If I hope to be a saint and I condemn those who I hope to one day rule over....then I will not be worthy of them. If however I make the distinction between holiness and righteousness based on mercy, and that I have been given much grace, then I want that grace to be beneficial to the meek, the lowly, the oppressed. To serve others and not my own sense of self importance. (like we see among evangelicals). Would not my candidature be taken more seriously if the ones I was destined to rule over didn't think I was a judgemental religious bigot?

I'm afraid it is your mistake to believe that Catholics "opted" for anything.....they got deceived by the devil, plain and simple, so they are captured souls, sadly. They need the gospel and to be born again in order to be saved unto eternal life, not led to believe they are fine in their current state as long as they live fairly "righteously"........and that their state of unbelief and lostness is even in accordance with God's purpose...? (Oh dear, really??)

I think the Pharisees and those who had Jesus crucified thought He was a judgmental religious bigot....ditto with the early church and apostles who were mistreated, persecuted and martyred. That's because unbelievers can't understand spiritual things of God...they MISunderstand and are offended by the truth. You too apparently.

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm afraid it is your mistake to believe that Catholics "opted" for anything.....they got deceived by the devil, plain and simple, so they are captured souls, sadly. They need the gospel and to be born again in order to be saved unto eternal life, not led to believe they are fine in their current state as long as they live fairly "righteously"........and that their state of unbelief and lostness is even in accordance with God's purpose...? (Oh dear, really??)

I think the Pharisees and those who had Jesus crucified thought He was a judgmental religious bigot....ditto with the early church and apostles who were mistreated, persecuted and martyred. That's because unbelievers can't understand spiritual things of God...they MISunderstand and are offended by the truth. You too apparently.

Anyone who mocks those who preach the one true gospel of JESUS , IS SERIOUSLY decieved . as is EPI .
Tell me dear sister , who and what DID the first apostels preach .
JESUS and the dire necessity TO HAVE TO BELEIVE ON HIM .
And what has epi done to me time and time again for telling HIM one must FIRST BELIEVE ON JESUS . railed and mocked .
But take a seat sister .
CAUSE even when i told an atheist of his dire need to repent and BELEIVE ON JESUS
the same man called EPI called it RELGIIOUS extremism .
SO WHO YA THINK he would have called religoius extremists . IF YA SAID JESUS and later the apotels
THEN SPOT RIGHT YOU ARE SISTER . EPI calls GOD a relgious extremists .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm afraid it is your mistake to believe that Catholics "opted" for anything.....they got deceived by the devil, plain and simple, so they are captured souls, sadly. They need the gospel and to be born again in order to be saved unto eternal life, not led to believe they are fine in their current state as long as they live fairly "righteously"........and that their state of unbelief and lostness is even in accordance with God's purpose...? (Oh dear, really??)

I think the Pharisees and those who had Jesus crucified thought He was a judgmental religious bigot....ditto with the early church and apostles who were mistreated, persecuted and martyred. That's because unbelievers can't understand spiritual things of God...they MISunderstand and are offended by the truth. You too apparently.

epi calls the one true Gospel of CHRIST religious extremism , and all the while believes he preaches the gospel of Christ .
NOW that IS A DELUSION sister .
and its why you have seen me , EVEN long before i knew epi
warning out agaisnt the delusion of the inclusion . .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'm afraid it is your mistake to believe that Catholics "opted" for anything.....they got deceived by the devil, plain and simple, so they are captured souls, sadly. They need the gospel and to be born again in order to be saved unto eternal life, not led to believe they are fine in their current state as long as they live fairly "righteously"........and that their state of unbelief and lostness is even in accordance with God's purpose...? (Oh dear, really??)

I think the Pharisees and those who had Jesus crucified thought He was a judgmental religious bigot....ditto with the early church and apostles who were mistreated, persecuted and martyred. That's because unbelievers can't understand spiritual things of God...they MISunderstand and are offended by the truth. You too apparently.

If any one wants to ban me or get rid of me for exposing a false gospel
then its they who have the problem and not me sister .
but man does not scare me . nor will threats deter me .
And these times are , and i mean ARE ABOUT to get much worse .
The whole of it all is about to hit the peak hour .
IT wont just be accusations on a computer screen
and it wont just be bannings from said places .
SISTER we about to be shunned and eradicated FROM SOCIETY .
WE cannot fear man or what he can do .
And by the grace of GOD , if it costs me all , I AM GOING to continue to warn and NOT to conform .
IF even it means my death . JESUS has me sister . the body is all that d ies . MY SOUL in a new glorified body
SHALL LIVE FOREVER with HIM . TO the trenches sister . The hour is much later than even perhaps i realize .
AND BELIVE ME , I DO BELIEVE ITS VERY LATE indeed .

 

[1stCenturyLady]

[6] Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
[7] For he that is dead is freed from sin.
[8] Now if we be dead with Christ…


The very Scriptures you referenced…!!

What do you think “crucified” means?

It is talking about "the old man." That is the sin nature. Sorry to burst your bubble, but we MUST be born again. That is not about our body, but our NATURE. It is not our body that is the source of sin, but our mind and conscience - our spirit and soul. NOW! Not after death.

Are you ashamed to tell me which denomination teaches that heresy? I would be if I were you. Probably reformed theology.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

But for some reason he doesn't remove the other type of sin in your theology. You still sin.


Where does the sin you still do come from?

1 John 3 is only about sins unto death that He takes away in full instantly. I even felt a heaviness leave my body, and even looked at the floor because I felt like I was floating.

As for the other, Jesus as the Finisher of our faith, matures in us all the fruit of the Spirit, and what Peter talks of as a process; not instant in 2 Peter 1:5-11. This second part is only if we continue abiding in Him to the end. If we don't, John 15:1-4 says we will be cut off of Jesus, and Matthew 7:19-23 because Jesus who sees the end from the beginning doesn't know you at the end.

So much for OSAS.

As for "where does the unintentional sins come from, because "unintentional" is all a born again Christian would commit. The answer, of course, is our clean human nature Adam was created with. But with one extra person. The Holy Spirit. So they would be slight imperfections you are not even aware of, and as long as we abide in Christ, we will be walking continuously in the Spirit. At least, that has been my experience, but it lines up with Scripture.

 

[Taken]

Sorry to burst your bubble,

LOL

but we MUST be born again.

No one said otherwise

That is not about our body, but our NATURE.

LOL

It is not our body that is the source of sin,

LOL

but our mind and conscience - our spirit and soul. NOW! Not after death.

LOL

Are you ashamed to tell me which denomination teaches that heresy?

Were you too ignorant to ask?

The domination that Teaches … Rebirth Occurs AFTER a man Is Crucified with Christ!

Are you unaware of the meaning of a crucifixion?