The Case for a Post-Tribulation Second Coming

[soberxp]

When Jesus mentions “rooms” and “coming again,” it is not to describe the architectural structure of heaven, but to use the image of “home” to give his disciples a certain, intimate, and eternal promise: you have a place in the Father’s house; I will personally come to receive you, so that you may be with me forever. Answer by Ai.

 

[jeffweeder]

Where does Paul teach melt, intense heat, gathering by angels in his rapture verses ?

2Thess 1
when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].


Peter, in his discourse has this to say about Paul regarding these end time things...,

our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him [by God], 16 speaking about these things as he does in all of his letters. In which there are some things that are difficult to understand, which the untaught and unstable [who have fallen into error] twist and misinterpret, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

They are speaking of the same promise of the Lords coming......of course.

 

[jeffweeder]

The tares don't go through the tribulation? Is that what you're saying this parable teaches?

You know it isn't
.
You said...,
CrowCross said:
Is this the rapture? If it is the rapture it sounds pre-trib to me.
God removes the wheat and leaves the tares for the tribulation.

I replied...,
jeffweeder said:
The tares are not left for the Tribulation but are gathered first


We were discussing the harvest at the time, and I posted scripture that the wheat isn't harvested first but the tares are

This contradicted your idea of a pretrib rapture understanding of the text.

Jesus comes after the tribulation to harvest the whole field (world).

 

[Dryhn]

2Thess 1
when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels in a flame of fire, 8 dealing out [full and complete] vengeance to those who do not [seek to] know God and to those who ignore and refuse to obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus [by choosing not to respond to Him].


Peter, in his discourse has this to say about Paul regarding these end time things...,

our beloved brother Paul also wrote to you according to the wisdom given to him [by God], 16 speaking about these things as he does in all of his letters. In which there are some things that are difficult to understand, which the untaught and unstable [who have fallen into error] twist and misinterpret, just as they do the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction.

They are speaking of the same promise of the Lords coming......of course.

1Thess 4:16-17 is the rapture not 2 Thess 1:8

 

[ewq1938]

Why would Jesus mention rooms in heaven and say He's coming back for us?

Because they are for the time between the cross and second coming which is why they are mentioned before he addresses his Comin g. After that he returns and then declares where he is we shall also be, which is Earth not heaven. Not once does he say anything about returning to heaven with anyone.

Why would He mention the rooms being in heaven?

Because they are. They are temporary. You know Earth is the eternal home for all right? That change starts at the second coming where no saved person can die anymore, which means no spirit traveling to heaven since there is no more death. Make sense?

 

[ewq1938]

1Thess 4:16-17 is the rapture not 2 Thess 1:8

2 Thess 1:8 is what happens after the rapture, same with Rev 19.

 

[jeffweeder]

1Thess 4:16-17 is the rapture not 2 Thess 1:8

The rapture is all about the glorification of the dead and living saints when he comes again. You agree?

Do you really think Paul would write a second letter to the Thessalonians speaking of an entirely different coming without informing them that it was different to what he preciously had written to them???