Only the unsaved soul can support genocide

[ScottA]

Ziggy, Posting on the internet where simple minded folks and little children can read it is known as teaching. Teachers of truth must never err and this one does not ring true. I began with nice and he avoided answering, as I recall. I'm almost 82 now and not prone to accept False Teachers. This person, like myself is subject to a more strict judgement because we teach and I do not wish to see him in the Lake of Fire.

You are right to be fearful and concerned, but fear not, being wrong is merely a sin, and many are merely wrong, even victims. The problem is, you don't know that you too suffer from the foretold false teachers and their destructive doctrines, which you now also believe. And what did you think, that after strong delusion and false teachings, there would be no correction? Did you think corrections were in the scriptures for those who were taught the errors of long ago to wield like a sword of righteousness, as one only convinced and believing they are correct and doing service to God?

This was always coming. You should read of it again, and take greater notice of the warnings and those parts that the church did not align with...if you can even identify them. Meanwhile, as it is written, being guided into all truth is available--but not the way you have first learned.

 

[ScottA]

You claim God's face is your father's face but if you saw the face of Elohime you would be dead, the scripture applies and you are as false a prophet as was Mohammed. Your words are not true and you must repent.

Both your idea of what I said and your interpretation of scripture, are wrong.

First, I was raised up dead--your idea of seeing Elohime and dying fulfilled. But having been raised up, was given life everlasting--and saw only what God showed me--which if only my own father's face, what grace I have given witness too!

But you, not seeing clearly, not given all as yet--you repeat the folly of so many who have gone before, so many who by their own understanding, went their own way or with the misguided crowd. But that is all coming to an end...and I am glad you are still alive to see it! But do take to heart the lessons of those who claiming to be wise were made to be fools. It doesn't have to be this way.

Please...start another thread.

 

[Wrangler]

Thing is this "genocide" was to destroy the giants and their progeny and to keep the linage from who Jesus was to arrive pure.

The "genocide" we witness today is not Godly and for a different reason.

So, even by your own calculus, genocides are sometimes justified.

 

[Ziggy]

Ziggy, Posting on the internet where simple minded folks and little children can read it is known as teaching. Teachers of truth must never err and this one does not ring true. I began with nice and he avoided answering, as I recall. I'm almost 82 now and not prone to accept False Teachers. This person, like myself is subject to a more strict judgement because we teach and I do not wish to see him in the Lake of Fire.

If you are looking for perfection friend,
I'm sorry to inform you,
you have come to the wrong place.
We are all misfits here and strive to give each other room to grow.

As far as worrying about if other people going to end up in the lake of fire, we should worry about our own destiny.

Once upon a time we had monitors here that would remind the members to attack or discuss the post and not the members personally.
Alas,.....

"simple minded folks"

Right there , stuck your foot in it.
Nevermind
Do what you going to do.
I'm not going to try and save anyone from going to the lake of fire. I have to worry about myself.
Done now.
Have a great day
Hugs

 

[CrowCross]

So, even by your own calculus, genocides are sometimes justified.

When God ordains it...YES...do you have a problem with that?
When God sent the flood it was a world wide genocide. Do you know why God sent the flood?

 

[BillTaylor]

You are right to be fearful and concerned, but fear not, being wrong is merely a sin, and many are merely wrong, even victims. The problem is, you don't know that you too suffer from the foretold false teachers and their destructive doctrines, which you now also believe. And what did you think, that after strong delusion and false teachings, there would be no correction? Did you think corrections were in the scriptures for those who were taught the errors of long ago to wield like a sword of righteousness, as one only convinced and believing they are correct and doing service to God?

This was always coming. You should read of it again, and take greater notice of the warnings and those parts that the church did not align with...if you can even identify them. Meanwhile, as it is written, being guided into all truth is available--but not the way you have first learned.

And you claim to be the new prophet when nothing you prophesy aligns with the record Yehovah and Yashua have left for us? Are you correcting God? You tell us you have looked upon the face of the Father, who's face is the face of your dad, and you live?

You correct the Infallible Elohime, the Omniscient creator when He had Exodus 33:20 recorded? The God that speaks to my heart that is confirmed by His two to six thousand year old record will stand eternity. If you turn from these tall tales and repent you too can be saved.

 

[BillTaylor]

If you are looking for perfection friend,
I'm sorry to inform you,
you have come to the wrong place.
We are all misfits here and strive to give each other room to grow.

I am looking for perfection, only in our Triune Elohime. I, certainly, am not.

As far as worrying about if other people going to end up in the lake of fire, we should worry about our own destiny.

Yashua sent Peter, John and, the rest of us to teach others that they will not be lost.

Once upon a time we had monitors here that would remind the members to attack or discuss the post and not the members personally.
Alas,.....

Go to my first posts here and you will find a gentle though rebuffed approach by myself. But he did tell me to buy his book.

"simple minded folks"

Right there , stuck your foot in it.
Nevermind
Do what you going to do.
I'm not going to try and save anyone from going to the lake of fire. I have to worry about myself.
Done now.
Have a great day
Hugs

That is between you and God, He did not save me to sit on my behind and watch the Lost perish.

 

[Ziggy]

I am looking for perfection, only in our Triune Elohime. I, certainly, am not.

Yashua sent Peter, John and, the rest of us to teach others that they will not be lost.

Go to my first posts here and you will find a gentle though rebuffed approach by myself. But he did tell me to buy his book.

That is between you and God, He did not save me to sit on my behind and watch the Lost perish.

So Anchorite tells me I should sit on my behind and allow the enemy to cut off my head, and you are telling me I should get off my behind and get out there and fight.

 

[ScottA]

And you claim to be the new prophet when nothing you prophesy aligns with the record Yehovah and Yashua have left for us? Are you correcting God? You tell us you have looked upon the face of the Father, who's face is the face of your dad, and you live?

You correct the Infallible Elohime, the Omniscient creator when He had Exodus 33:20 recorded? The God that speaks to my heart that is confirmed by His two to six thousand year old record will stand eternity. If you turn from these tall tales and repent you too can be saved.

There's that tone again. How long shall I put up with you? God knows.

But you are wrong--I even gave you the passage that aligns with the scriptures. So, no, that would be you attempting to correct God.

And no, again, I did not tell anyone that I looked upon the face of the Father--those were your words. I said, "He looked like my father" not mentioning His face or my natural father's face. But I went with you on your misadventure so you could see that you only assumed the worst, and to show you that your idea of a dead man dying before the face of God is exactly what happened. But I live--which aligns with the words of Christ. How many points of your own error must you see before turning from your wrongful assumptions?

And the scripture you gave--it says "You cannot see My face..." which I did not say I did. In fact, I did not see His face--still, "He looked like my father"--even felt like my father, and rightly so, as I explained. In spite of your assuming the worse--what actually occurred is in perfect alignment.

Indeed, the Word of God stands eternal...however, you have thus far failed to fully understand it. And worse, you have turned to accuse a brother for that which you yourself have done, smugly, as if you were even qualified to preach.

Now, take your own advise and turn and properly align the correct scriptures, as I gave them. A do be courteous and start a new thread if you intend on continuing.

 

[BillTaylor]

So Anchorite tells me I should sit on my behind and allow the enemy to cut off my head, and you are telling me I should get off my behind and get out there and fight.

I am not your NCO IC! At war I might have been on occasion. I'm guilty only of instructing in the Word of God, the direction is His.

 

[BillTaylor]

But you are wrong--I even gave you the passage that aligns with the scriptures. So, no, that would be you attempting to correct God.

You refered to some scripture as if they qualified your saying. I said it then and I say it again, they have not a single thing to do with what you said.

 

[Ziggy]

I am not your NCO IC! At war I might have been on occasion. I'm guilty only of instructing in the Word of God, the direction is His.

We are at war sir. The world is at war with us.
We have enough battles to overcome in our real lives without having to battle in what some might consider "safe spaces" , of which I find forums are the least.
And yet here we are, looking for refuge in the storm and creating new storms from within.

And for some reason probably of my own making for trying to mediate peace, so much for peacemakers...
that I find myself keep getting dragged into this same battle.

As far as being instructed sir, I already have it on good authority that I have direct access from the Holy Spirit himself.

1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Allow me to repeat:

Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I don't need a pastor because I have a Shepherd.
I don't need a leader because I have a King.
I don't need an instructor because I have the Holy Spirit to guide me.

Now if you would be so kind as to allow me to leave this conversation, I've said what I came to say and share my thoughts on the matter.
You can take them or leave them, makes no difference to me.
All I ask is that while we are all in the middle of the storms of life, that we might find a little room in our hearts to be a little more kind and a little more reasonable with one another.

God Bless You Sir
07

Hugs

 

[BillTaylor]

We are at war sir. The world is at war with us.
We have enough battles to overcome in our real lives without having to battle in what some might consider "safe spaces" , of which I find forums are the least.
And yet here we are, looking for refuge in the storm and creating new storms from within.

And for some reason probably of my own making for trying to mediate peace, so much for peacemakers...
that I find myself keep getting dragged into this same battle.

As far as being instructed sir, I already have it on good authority that I have direct access from the Holy Spirit himself.

1Jo 2:27
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.

Allow me to repeat:

Jer 31:34
And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

I don't need a pastor because I have a Shepherd.
I don't need a leader because I have a King.
I don't need an instructor because I have the Holy Spirit to guide me.

Now if you would be so kind as to allow me to leave this conversation, I've said what I came to say and share my thoughts on the matter.
You can take them or leave them, makes no difference to me.
All I ask is that while we are all in the middle of the storms of life, that we might find a little room in our hearts to be a little more kind and a little more reasonable with one another.

God Bless You Sir
07

Hugs

You are the decision maker in your life and if you feel this way I see no reasn for your correcting me.
Shalom

 

[ScottA]

You refered to some scripture as if they qualified your saying. I said it then and I say it again, they have not a single thing to do with what you said.

For the record then. So be it.

 

[Ziggy]

You are the decision maker in your life and if you feel this way I see no reasn for your correcting me.
Shalom

HUGS

 

[Wrangler]

This is genocide ... sale of 2,000-pound bombs to Israel ... Among the most destructive munitions in Western military arsenals

If anyone claims to be a Christian and supports this I'd like to hear your view on how this would be justified in God's sight .

The emotionally charged and inflammatory OP is equating a sale with genocide and inherently an anti-Christian act. How bizarre!

If Israel managed to drop just one of those bombs anywhere in the United States how would you react? Would you still worship them?

I didn't see this Anti-semitic remark at first. Our closest ally is not going to bomb us and no one worships Israel.

Is there anything in the Bible where genocide is supported? How about the extinction of all mankind?

When God ordains it...YES...do you have a problem with that?

No. Not only do I not have a problem when God ordains it, I don't have a problem with our government or allies ordaining it since they don't carry the sword in vain but act as God's servants in establishing justice. Romans 13.

You seem to be the one with a problem with "genocide." Use of the term is inflammatory. No genocide is in progress. There are billions of Islamists and relatively few militant Jihadi's. The Muslim Apologists and propaganda Jihadi's deserve to be called out, pretending to be the victim when they are the victimizer. How dare Israel defend itself! How dare the US help its closest ally defend itself!

However, there has been genocide throughout history, supported in the Bible, as you admit. There was no such pearl clutching during WWII with much larger bombs - not merely sold but actually dropped - let alone the prolific fire bombing of Dresden and Tokyo with 100,000's of smaller ordinances. Truman was a Christian. And American Christians didn't condemn Truman as genocidal. Apparently, Christians were different back then, huh?

 

[BillTaylor]

HUGS

I thought you quit this string?

 

[Ziggy]

I thought you quit this string?

 

[BillTaylor]

He sings rhe same way I try to, from the heart.

 

[bdavidc]

Zechariah 14:4 plainly says, “And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east.” The chapter describes nations attacking Jerusalem, the mountain splitting in two, and a valley forming. Where does Scripture say any of this represents the church or some spiritual experience?

Acts 1:11-12 makes it even clearer. Jesus ascended from the Mount of Olives, and the angels declared that “this same Jesus” would return in like manner. That means Jesus Himself, not the church taking His place.

And concerning Israel, Paul asked, “Hath God cast away his people? God forbid” (Romans 11:1). God's promises have not been canceled, but neither does that mean every action of the modern Israeli government is righteous or that anyone can be saved apart from Christ.

My question is simple. Where does Scripture authorize us to turn Christ's feet into the church or the Mount of Olives into something other than the mountain God specifically named?

We should be interpreting Scripture by Scripture, not replacing its plain meaning with ideas the text never teaches.