quietthinker
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Then why do you presume to do so?I don't understand why I should teach you this, you should know the Lords words already , his words are eternal life.
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Then why do you presume to do so?I don't understand why I should teach you this, you should know the Lords words already , his words are eternal life.
@amigo de christoRegulators and contenders for the one true faith , MOUNT up .
We have an ecumeincal harlot who has brought the inclusive love of her father
and an anti christ peace unto many . Its Christ JESUS for the sheep . we dont bend the knee to a harlot
or her father or her anti christ peace .

@amigo de christowanna hear something scary . i see lots of christains calling evil good and good evil
and they seem to prosper .
THAT SHOULD LITERALLY TERRIFY folks .
Cause all whom GOD receives HE does chasten and scourge .
YET these , despite how often they were warned to repent and DID NOT
sure did bank a lot of money and sure seem to prosper in this world
BUT before anyone here gets envious at the wicked
allow me to remind us . FOR THOSE WHO Have entered into the tabernacle of GOD
SEE THEIR END and know DESTRUCTION by GOD awaits them all , they are in slippery places
and know it not .
HEAR THIS . IF the prophet be decieved , I THE LORD GOD have decieved that prophet and will
answer them according to ..............THE IDOLS OF THEIR OWN HEART . that is real my friend .

We still have free will!
Mt 25:30 lost
Gal 5:4 can fall from grace
1 Tim 5:12 lost
Thks
Empty professors of Christ, not having the Spirit of God living in themWe still have free will!
Mt 25:30 lost
Gal 5:4 can fall from grace
1 Tim 5:12 lost
Thks
I know what you mean and it is annoying. This chapter is addressing false prophets/false teachers. Now in regard to 2 Peter 2:20, those who are truly born of God have received a new nature and are partakers of the divine nature. They have been transformed from pigs and dogs into sheep. The change is more than just cosmetic, as in 2 Peter 2:20. *These cleaned up on the outside dogs and pigs were never sheep.
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"transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."Also, men's false doctrine that if a believer commits a sin after... having professed Christ Jesus and been baptized, it means they never were 'real' believers in Christ, is a fallacy doctrine of men. It is only used to DRUM UP EXCUSE TO PUSH THE FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE OF MEN.
New Testament doctrine as written, which some have already shown in this Thread, reveals that a believer on Lord Jesus Christ CAN BE DECEIVED if... they allow it. It DOES NOT mean they don't or never did believe on Lord Jesus as their Savior.
What those behind the FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL are doing is trying to place themselves as ELITES in Christ Jesus where no other believer can be. Those are FAKES, planting subversiveness among Christ's body of believers. Apostle Paul called them "false apostles"...
2 Cor 11:13
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
KJV
The word "transforming" in the Greek actually means 'to disguise'. (NT:3345).
because you asked and dont seem to know.Then why do you presume to do so?
the personnel effort for all Christians is to Keep Jesus (Christ) words and do as he asks and persevere like Christ explained in the clear verses I cited from him.Except for faith which is THE requirement, NONE of your selected verses teach endurance (as in personal effort) as a requirement for LY to enter Heaven
Try again LY
"transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."
You have the answer right there
Instead of Christ transforming them as in they being converted by God, they do it themselves!
So you can see they are not born of God are they, they are still the old man and faking it, not the genuine article of the new man in Christ, created by GOD as a NEW creation.
Show a single verse of Scripture that proves some who have been born again and possessing ETERNAL life will not persevere to the end! Also, where can I find any mention of this made up "initial grace"? I find this nowhere in the Scriptures.
I give you this challenge because I am confident through strong faith that God's Word is NOT contradictive as you and any who believes Christ was wrong when He says the life He gives born again believers is ETERNAL must be contradiction upon contradiction!
I join with Paul in saying, "I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day." (2Tim1:12)
Romans 1:16 (KJV) For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Unlike you, I have blessed assurance because I don't rely on my strength, knowing that I am kept by the power of God in me through faith unto salvation.
1Pe 1:3 ¶ Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, which according to his abundant mercy hath begotten us again unto a lively hope by the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead,
1Pe 1:4 To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you,
1Pe 1:5 Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.
Perhaps you lack this confidence because you think believers persevere unto the end through deeds of the flesh. You don't even understand that we persevere to the end because God, through His Spirit is working in us to both will and do of His good pleasure.
Philippians 2:13 (KJV) For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.
Your doctrine displays a lack of faith in Christ to keep His promises! You would rather force contradiction and confusion into the Word of God teaching doctrine of demons.