LET NO MAN DECEIVE YOU! WAKE UP BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!
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Marvelloustime
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Bible Gateway passage: John 10 - New King James Version
Jesus the True Shepherd - “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep. To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he...
'Ownership', Christ owns the sheep
11 “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep. 12 But a [b]hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them. 13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.
14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.
15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.
1 Corinthians 6:19-20
Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own? For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God’s.
Empty professors of Christ, not having the Spirit of God living in them
He did not convert them into new creations in Christ, so Christ never knew them!
1 Timothy 5
12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first [d]faith. 13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. 14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 15 For some have already turned aside after Satan.
You have your answer here explained further.
The ones who follow - turn after Satan have not received the Spirit of God, but another spirit
They have not received the gospel of the Great God, but another gospel
They are CURSED
They are Satan's ministers who transform themselves into ministers of rigtheousness!
And they are present in your chuches.
"the most eminent apostles" described here by Paul, are not the apostles of Christ, they are false apostles, deceitful workers.
"if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted"
It says they did not accept the true genuine gospel and Spirit of God, but another gospel and another spirit, and they put up with it, perhaps all the way till the Day of Judgment!
Bible Gateway passage: 2 Corinthians 11 - New King James Version
Concern for Their Faithfulness - Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent...
1 Oh, that you would bear with me in a little folly—and indeed you do bear with me. 2 For I am jealous for you with godly jealousy. For I have betrothed you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ. 3 But I fear, lest somehow, as the serpent deceived Eve by his craftiness, so your minds may be corrupted from the [a]simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he who comes preaches another Jesus whom we have not preached, or if you receive a different spirit which you have not received, or a different gospel which you have not accepted—you may well put up with it!
Paul and False Apostles
5 For I consider that I am not at all inferior to "the most eminent apostles". 6 Even though I am untrained in speech, yet I am not in knowledge. But we have [b]been thoroughly manifested among you in all things.7 Did I commit sin in [c]humbling myself that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? 8 I robbed other churches, taking wages from them to minister to you. 9 And when I was present with you, and in need, I was a burden to no one, for what I lacked the brethren who came from Macedonia supplied. And in everything I kept myself from being burdensome to you, and so I will keep myself. 10 As the truth of Christ is in me, no one shall stop me from this boasting in the regions of Achaia. 11 Why? Because I do not love you? God knows!
12 But what I do, I will also continue to do, that I may cut off the opportunity from those who desire an opportunity to be regarded just as we are in the things of which they boast.
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into apostles of Christ.
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
"whose end will be according to their works."
Notice the signs of their works!; in I Timothy 5 from those who are true, versus those who are false.
The false ones are antichrists, cast off their faith, turn aside after Satan, they are not 'OF US' as John wrote, not having the SPIRIT.
9 Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man, 10 well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.
11 But [c]refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, 12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first [d]faith. 13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. 14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 15 For some have already turned aside after Satan. 16 If any believing [e]man or woman has widows, let them [f]relieve them, and do not let the church be burdened, that it may relieve those who are really widows.
Notice the signs of their works!; in I Timothy 5 from those who are true, versus those who are false.
The false ones are antichrists, cast off their faith, turn aside after Satan, they are not 'OF US' as John wrote, not having the SPIRIT.
9 Do not let a widow under sixty years old be taken into the number, and not unless she has been the wife of one man, 10 well reported for good works: if she has brought up children, if she has lodged strangers, if she has washed the saints’ feet, if she has relieved the afflicted, if she has diligently followed every good work.
11 But [c]refuse the younger widows; for when they have begun to grow wanton against Christ, they desire to marry, 12 having condemnation because they have cast off their first [d]faith. 13 And besides they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house, and not only idle but also gossips and busybodies, saying things which they ought not. 14 Therefore I desire that the younger widows marry, bear children, manage the house, give no opportunity to the adversary to speak reproachfully. 15 For some have already turned aside after Satan. 16 If any believing [e]man or woman has widows, let them [f]relieve them, and do not let the church be burdened, that it may relieve those who are really widows.
Antichrists in the church identify themselves by growing wanton against Christ and turn aside after Satan to follow another, not Christ. They do NOT have an anointing from the HOLY ONE of GOD to know the truth.
Obviously, if they are of those people then Christ never knew them did He.
Bible Gateway passage: 1 John 2 - New King James Version
The Test of Knowing Christ - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. The...
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Bible Gateway passage: 1 John 2 - New King James Version
The Test of Knowing Christ - My little children, these things I write to you, so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous. And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world. The...
Deceptions of the Last Hour
18 Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the[d] Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us.20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and you[e] know all things. 21 I have not written to you because you do not know the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth.
22 Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. 23 Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
Let Truth Abide in You
24 Therefore let that abide in you which you heard from the beginning. If what you heard from the beginning abides in you, you also will abide in the Son and in the Father. 25 And this is the promise that He has promised us—eternal life.26 These things I have written to you concerning those who try to [f]deceive you.
27 But the anointing which you have received from Him abides in you, and you do not need that anyone teach you; but as the same anointing teaches you concerning all things, and is true, and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you [g]will abide in Him.
Davy
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OSAS is a doctrine of men, not written in God's Word.
A study of what Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 5 reveals our staying in Christ involves WALKING BY THE SPIRIT. That means, heeding The Holy Spirit. Paul gives examples of that walk with The Holy Spirit, and the fleshy works by those who do NOT walk by The Spirit.
Apostle John in 1 John 1 showed that those in Christ STILL... need to REPENT and ASK CHRIST FORGIVENESS of future sins committed.
In Romans 3:25, Apostle Paul said the sins Lord Jesus remitted on His cross for us is about "sins that are past".
Rom 3:24-26
24 Being justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in His blood, to declare His righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
26 To declare, I say, at this time His righteousness: that He might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.
KJV
Per Revelation 2 & 3, if Jesus had already forgiven the sins five of the Churches in Asia were guilty of, He would not have told them to REPENT.
Thus the Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) doctrine of men is NOT WRITTEN in God's Word. That doctrine is OF THE DEVIL, simply because it leads the believer astray into thinking that as Christians we can never again... commit a sin, and thus have no further need to ever repent to Christ again. That is exactly... how Satan wants us to believe!
We need to do our best to walk in The Spirit like Apostle Paul taught in Galatians 5, and IF... we mess up in future sin, we need to repent and ask Lord Jesus forgiveness, and then get back to serving Him. This is how it is while we are still in these flesh bodies of sin, as Apostle Paul showed in Romans 7.
They profess to Know God (Christ), but deny Him by the things they do....
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15 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being [a]abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Bible Gateway passage: Titus 1:15-16 - New King James Version
To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
15 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled.
16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being [a]abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.
Bible Gateway passage: Luke 6 - New King James Version
Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath - Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grainfields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do...
46 “But why do you call Me ‘Lord, Lord,’ and not do the things which I say? 47 Whoever comes to Me, and hears My sayings and does them, I will show you whom he is like: 48 He is like a man building a house, who dug deep and laid the foundation on the rock. And when the flood arose, the stream beat vehemently against that house, and could not shake it, for it was [j]founded on the rock. 49 But he who heard and did nothing is like a man who built a house on the earth without a foundation, against which the stream beat vehemently; and immediately it [k]fell. And the ruin of that house was great.”
Davy
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Also, men's false doctrine that if a believer commits a sin after... having professed Christ Jesus and been baptized, it means they never were 'real' believers in Christ, is a fallacy doctrine of men. It is only used to DRUM UP EXCUSE TO PUSH THE FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE OF MEN.
New Testament doctrine as written, which some have already shown in this Thread, reveals that a believer on Lord Jesus Christ CAN BE DECEIVED if... they allow it. It DOES NOT mean they don't or never did believe on Lord Jesus as their Savior.
What those behind the FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL are doing is trying to place themselves as ELITES in Christ Jesus where no other believer can be. Those are FAKES, planting subversiveness among Christ's body of believers. Apostle Paul called them "false apostles"...
2 Cor 11:13
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
KJV
The word "transforming" in the Greek actually means 'to disguise'. (NT:3345).
New Testament doctrine as written, which some have already shown in this Thread, reveals that a believer on Lord Jesus Christ CAN BE DECEIVED if... they allow it. It DOES NOT mean they don't or never did believe on Lord Jesus as their Savior.
What those behind the FALSE OSAS DOCTRINE OF THE DEVIL are doing is trying to place themselves as ELITES in Christ Jesus where no other believer can be. Those are FAKES, planting subversiveness among Christ's body of believers. Apostle Paul called them "false apostles"...
2 Cor 11:13
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
KJV
The word "transforming" in the Greek actually means 'to disguise'. (NT:3345).
Davy
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And even also... the OSAS doctrine of the devil is designed to get you into the habit of NOT watching yourself for future sins you may commit. Simply deny it, that's what the devil wants you to do. It is a permission to Lie, to Cheat, to Steal, basically do the works of the flesh...
Gal 5:18-21
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV
Gal 5:18-21
18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.
19 Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
20 Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV
"transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ."
You have the answer right there
Instead of Christ transforming them as in they being converted by God, they do it themselves!
So you can see they are not born of God are they, they are still the old man and faking it, not the genuine article of the new man in Christ, created by GOD as a NEW creation.
the personnel effort for all Christians is to Keep Jesus (Christ) words and do as he asks and persevere like Christ explained in the clear verses I cited from him.
Davy
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But you and I are not talking about the same ones.
OSAS wrongly believes that a Christian who still commits a future sin never was a true Christian. Take for example the "five foolish virgins" in Christ's parable of the ten virgins. The OSAS doctors push the false idea that those "five foolish virgins" never were true Christians waiting for Christ (Bridegroom) to come.
It's those pushing that false OSAS doctrine that represent those disguised apostles of Christ.
Davy
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Wrong. They are... born of God, and the old man is dead within them being replaced by their Faith on our Lord Jesus Christ. It's just that they ARE NOT THE CHRIST, but His imperfect servants that mess up at times, and need forgiving.
Those who believe the false OSAS doctrine also show they don't know to FORGIVE the sinner, simply because OSAS does not recognize future mess ups in sin by a true believer, even as you have surmised in your own post.
I truly feel sorry for those who believe in the false OSAS doctrine. Their rejection of never messing up even with little sins in their daily life means they can no longer forgive anyone claiming to be a Christian that they see in even a little sin. What did Lord Jesus say about that attitude?
Matt 6:14-15
14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
KJV
And did you notice that in the prayer Jesus taught His disciples, it asks forgiveness of sin??? (See Luke 11).
Davy
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And the above statements are such as the attitude of many, many... trapped by men's FALSE PRE-TRIB RAPTURE THEORY.
Lord Jesus revealed that His future coming for His Church will be AFTER... the "great tribulation" He taught of in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27. Apostle Paul also showed in 1 Thessalonians 4:13-16 that the time of Christ's coming to gather His Church happens when the future resurrection happens, which Jesus showed will occur only on the 'last day' of this world per John 6.
How can someone claim the Once Saved, Always Saved (OSAS) doctrine is about those who truly are 'born again' Christians but REJECT the timing Lord Jesus gave for the future gathering of His Church AFTER the tribulation!!!
Apostles Paul and Peter were correct about these end times today, how some believers would not stay with sound doctrine, but would turn to doctrines of devils... OSAS is one of them...
1 Tim 4:1
4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
KJV
2 Peter 2:1
2 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.
KJV
Davy
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Yeah, I said it, the FALSE pre-tribulation rapture theory, which is from men, and not written in God's Word.
I've noticed that a good many Churches that hold to that false OSAS doctrine that they never have future sin, and thus NEVER need REPENT to Christ nor ask Him forgiveness even for little slip ups, many of those Churches also have that false pre-trib rapture doctrine, especially the prosperity ministries! Some of them no longer hold Communion with Christ either, because doing that would be recognizing we still have future sins that need repenting of to Christ Jesus.
Who then would it be per Matthew 7 that will say to Lord Jesus in that day when He appears, "Lord, Lord..." that they preached His Name in the streets, and did many wonderful works in His Name, but Jesus will tell them to get away from Him, saying they worked 'iniquity', that He never knew them? Who would that fit the most?
ANSWER: those who REJECT the fact that they still have future sins like 1 John 1 shows. They turn a blind eye to their future sins they commit, and thus will be found guilty of working iniquity, even though they did many wonderful works in Christ's Name!
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
KJV
What "iniquity" will they be found having worked? Well, how many works of the flesh in sin can one think of which those will REJECT HAVING WORKED, because they wrongly believe they can never sin again?
I've noticed that a good many Churches that hold to that false OSAS doctrine that they never have future sin, and thus NEVER need REPENT to Christ nor ask Him forgiveness even for little slip ups, many of those Churches also have that false pre-trib rapture doctrine, especially the prosperity ministries! Some of them no longer hold Communion with Christ either, because doing that would be recognizing we still have future sins that need repenting of to Christ Jesus.
Who then would it be per Matthew 7 that will say to Lord Jesus in that day when He appears, "Lord, Lord..." that they preached His Name in the streets, and did many wonderful works in His Name, but Jesus will tell them to get away from Him, saying they worked 'iniquity', that He never knew them? Who would that fit the most?
ANSWER: those who REJECT the fact that they still have future sins like 1 John 1 shows. They turn a blind eye to their future sins they commit, and thus will be found guilty of working iniquity, even though they did many wonderful works in Christ's Name!
Matt 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto Me, "Lord, Lord", shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of My Father Which is in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy name? and in Thy name have cast out devils? and in Thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, "I never knew you: depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
KJV
What "iniquity" will they be found having worked? Well, how many works of the flesh in sin can one think of which those will REJECT HAVING WORKED, because they wrongly believe they can never sin again?
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