Who are the Saved?
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soberxp
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I'm in the Body of Christ...not personally IN Christ. In His tabernacle not His dwelling (Zion).
Is this beyond your understanding?
Amen, with one caveat: the Bible never ascribes believing the gospel to our choice; rather, faith is a gift from God that not everyone has.The gospel is the "good news" of the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (1 Corinthians 15:1-4) and is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that BELIEVES.. (Romans 1:16) This is not about misreading the bible that condones sinful human religious naming and claiming. This is about trusting in the death, burial and resurrection of Christ as the ALL-sufficient means of our salvation.
Aa children of God, believers ought to walk as Jesus walked (1 John 2:6) which means shaping our actions, choices, love, and obedience to mirror the character and behavior of Christ. 1 John 2:1 - My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;
The gospel is a message of grace that is to be received through faith. The gospel is not a set of rituals to perform, a code of laws to be obeyed or a check list of good works to accomplish as a prerequisite for salvation. Choosing to believe the gospel is inseparable from the believer's personal acceptance of it. Scripture presents faith in Christ as both hearing the message and receiving.
Romans 10:13 - So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
John 1:12 - But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name.
Acts 15:7 - And when there had been much dispute, Peter rose up and said to them: “Men and brethren, you know that a good while ago God chose among us, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe. 8 So God, who knows the heart, acknowledged them by giving them the Holy Spirit, just as He did to us, 9 and made no distinction between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
Rom. 8:1 (KJV) There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Rom. 16:3 Greet Priscilla and Aquila my helpers in Christ Jesus:
Rom. 16:9 Salute Urbane, our helper in Christ, and Stachys my beloved.
1 Cor. 1:2 Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:
1 Cor. 1:30,31
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.
1 Cor. 3:1 And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
1 Cor. 15:17,18
17 And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
18 Then they also which are fallen asleep in Christ are perished.
1 Cor. 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
2 Cor. 1:21 Now he which stablisheth us with you in Christ, and hath anointed us, is God;
etc., etc.
Just say that you don't know the difference between God tabernacling with us here (shalem) and us dwelling with God where He is.
Paul says....that I may be found IN Him... not a basic thing at all. Being made perfect In Him.
Another caveat...anybody can say that their beliefs about Jesus is a gift from God. It's as easy as babbling and then saying you are baptized in the Spirit.
The gift of faith gets a man TRANSLATED to be where Jesus dwells...in Zion...the kingdom realm of the Spirit superimposed on this temporal realm.
The gift is by grace through faith....and the result is victory over sin by the perfection that is found in Christ. In Him is no sin.
amigo de christo
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no . he is a soldier of incluisivism . a false gopsel and that which is of the lie .
He is not mormon , he is incluisivian .
the fastest growing religoin within all religoins .
And it has many forms my friend but the same lie within them many forms .
You EXCLUDE obedience to Christ and call me inclusive for stressing it. Religious pretenders like yourself always react when faced with obedience to Christ. For many here Jesus is seen as an idol to venerate but to ignore. Their Jesus doesn't speak.
Are you saying we don't have to obey and surrender?
Obedience and surrender to Christ is seen as "works" salvation by many here. But it is the only salvation that actually works. :)
They are the fruit of true faith and without them...faith is dead.
God tabernacling with us was God manifest in the flesh (i.e. the Lord Jesus Christ).
Us dwelling with God is being in the Kingdom of God, having been born again and believing in Jesus Christ.
Being in Him is our spiritual position; being made perfect in Him is our continuing sanctification.
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Beliefs about Jesus are not the faith through which God saves his people. He saves us through faith in Christ (trusting him, clinging to him and relying upon him) - it's a living relationship, not a just a set of facts to be accepted.
In Christ indeed is no sin; however, although born again Christians have been born again of incorruptible seed, it is only our spirit that has been born again, not our body, and in that there dwells no good thing; hence our constant inward struggle.
Anyone who claims to be without sin is a liar.
Just what is obedience and surrendering?
If I sin for some reason.....does that mean I didn't obey and surrender? If I didn't obey and surrender am I going to hell?
But, the question is.....Just what is obedience and surrendering?
I could tell it was...off when I dug into it.
amigo de christo
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not at all my friend . not at all do i say that . but inclusivism is of anti christ and on that i have no to zero doubt .
Unto whom we obey IS whose we are my friend . whether it be a sin accepting god , who be satan ,
or whether it be the One true Christ of GOD who is JESUS .
And JESUS does not pander to SIN and to lies . But many follow a jesus that does . satan claoked in wool my friend .
And on that i have zero doubt as well .
amigo de christo
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lies and false propoganda sold by a soldier of inclusivity . that is you my friend .
I never once excluded any obediance to JESUS . but you exclude FAITH IN HIM .
sorry epi your religoin is the fastest growing religoin among ALL of the religoins .
YES they are going inclusive too . and very rapidly amongst this world is the love of the inclusive god , WHO BE SATAN ,
being embraced by much of even christendom as well .
IT is not i who exclude the words and teachings of JESUS . IT IS YOU . you sold out to a false gospel
and no matter how you try and teach some of Jesus teachings , its all in vain for YOU .
As for me , I dont omit HIS words , NOR HIS GOSPEL . inclusivism is of many anti christs
to simply bring the religoins to kneel as one under inclusivity . The delusion
sent to the DECIEVED for to merge them as one inclusive mindset .
amigo de christo
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The inclusive religoin is much like a man
who dug deep for waters under the bright g reen grass ,
but realized not that green grass is green due to
the septic tank SPRUNG A MASSIVE Leak . they aint gonna find any water fit to drink .
amigo de christo
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faith without works is dead . no doubt about it .
But all the works one has matters not WHEN THEY CALL GOD A LIAR and continue to do so .
Here is who calls GOD a liar .
HE who believes NOT the testimony HE gave of the SON .
HERE is who has set to his seal that GOD IS TRUE , HE who recieves his testimony has set to his seal that GOD is true .
Inclusivism IS OF ANTI CHRIST and beng sold by a harlots love it has to all false religoins as well as much
of christendom .
Call GOD A LIAR and then see if ones works can save them . Go on , HOW righteous is it
TO call GOD A LIAR .
And every false religoin does , as do a atheist , an agnostic
and all who reject the true gospel OF JESUS THE CHRIST .
but if you think a man can save himself without FAITH IN CHRIST , just keep on pointing to inclisivism .
But woe to he or she who does . for they call GOD a liar . no shoes i want to be in my friend .
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