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What ingredient would that be?twinc said:imho it is the extra special ingredient that makes mouldy old dough holy - twinc
What is it that is that special ingredient ? What are you saying that (John 6:51-56) is saying?twinc said:it is in the bible at Jn6:51-56 - twinc
You got a morbid sense of humor dude.imho it is the extra special ingredient that makes mouldy old dough holy - twinc
Jesus commands us to partake in consuming His Body and Blood (Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24).I don't eat anything in communion because I don't celebrate communion because it is Roman Catholic and I am not a Roman Catholic. Giving it another name does not alter the fact that it is Roman Catholic. Neither did Jesus or the New Testament Church take communion. They ate meals together where there was some different emphasis put on the bread and wine that was eaten as part of the meal.
I don't eat anything in communion because I don't celebrate communion because it is Roman Catholic and I am not a Roman Catholic. Giving it another name does not alter the fact that it is Roman Catholic. Neither did Jesus or the New Testament Church take communion. They ate meals together where there was some different emphasis put on the bread and wine that was eaten as part of the meal.
Hello!Communion is used in relation to the breaking of the bread and the sipping of the wine. It is making it more than it is like "holy" communion that is a problem.
1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry. 15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say. 16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ? 17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread. 18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar? 19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing? 20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils. 21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils. 22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?
We are only to do communion in remembrance of Him but the RCC says that is anathema to do it only for that. So they make the bread and the wine into a sacrament when there is nothing sacred about it. They even infer that Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine and thus saying that they are making the one time sacrifice for sin available again to receive "again" and that can never be because that is the same as sacrificing Him all over again on the cross when Catholics are receiving that same sacrifice again and again and again each Mass.
But Protestants are in the same boat as some begin their communion with "We come into Christ's Presence today.." when they start communion and that is not true in according to our faith because He is in us and is with us always so there is no coming into His Presence in having communion and there is no going away from His Presence after communion. Our words should mean what they say in expressing our faith in Him at communion.
And some Protestants believe Christ's Presence is in the bread and the wine; how is that not making those things an idol? Christ is in us. There is no receiving Him again.
2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. 4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
It is no wonder to me how some Protestants are looking more and more catholic every time I turn around.
What did Jesus said about communion?
Luke 22:19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me. 20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.
What did Paul?
1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: 24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me. 25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, this cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me. 26 For as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup, ye do shew the Lord's death till he come.
Remembering what He has done for us in having saved us by our believing in Him is remembering we have been saved by Him as the Holy Ghost is Witness within us that we are saved.
Making communion other than that, even holy communion, is denying what we are remembering Him for as if we need to receive Him again, and we do not in according to our faith in Jesus Christ.
Hi marksman!I don't eat anything in communion because I don't celebrate communion because it is Roman Catholic and I am not a Roman Catholic. Giving it another name does not alter the fact that it is Roman Catholic. Neither did Jesus or the New Testament Church take communion. They ate meals together where there was some different emphasis put on the bread and wine that was eaten as part of the meal.
Hello!
I find your post very interesting. You say there is nothing sacred abut the bread and wine but you then later quote Luke where Jesus said the bread and wine IS His body and blood. Are you saying that the body and blood of Jesus is not sacred?
Also you make it clear, and I agree with you, that Catholics and some of us Protestants believe it is sacred. However, you are leaving out the Orthodox Churches also. With that said it is clear that a majority of Christians belong to a church that believe it is sacred. Furthermore the Apostolic and Church Fathers said it was sacred which means for 2,000 years we have on record that Christians have been practicing this belief.
Why are MOST Christians alive today wrong and you right? Why were the Apostolic Fathers who walked with the Apostles and Church Fathers wrong and you right?
Curious Mary
The body & blood of Jesus is sacred; the bread and the wine is not. They are only symbolic of the body and blood, but not THE body and blood to be considered the real thing nor sacred. To do so is to make them idols.
Jesus equated the bread and wine as his body and blood MULTIPLE TIMES. He NEVER said it was symbolic. IN FACT, the disciples that were talking to him about it KNEW he meant it literally and they walked away because they couldn't fathom it. Just like you can't fathom it and have walked away.
The Catholic Church did not follow after the tradition as taught plainly in the epistles to the early churches, but added to it, making it more than what has been taught to do for communion. Scripture even warned against those additions for which they are doing communion for. Protestants stemming from that, have carried some of those additions over without fully reproving all of them to stand apart from that iniquity of the add ons.
REALLY? So Ignatius, who is to believed to be a student of the Apostle John, got it wrong but you got it right? Ignatius added to it? And so did the writers of The Didache? Fascinating that you are right 2,000 years later but they were wrong. Is it possible that scripture is warning against you and your theory?
So I ask you AGAIN:
Why are MOST Christians alive today wrong and you right? Why were the Apostolic Fathers who walked with the Apostles and Church Fathers wrong and you right?
Jesus equated the bread and wine as his body and blood MULTIPLE TIMES. He NEVER said it was symbolic. IN FACT, the disciples that were talking to him about it KNEW he meant it literally and they walked away because they couldn't fathom it. Just like you can't fathom it and have walked away.
REALLY? So Ignatius, who is to believed to be a student of the Apostle John, got it wrong but you got it right? Ignatius added to it? And so did the writers of The Didache? Fascinating that you are right 2,000 years later but they were wrong. Is it possible that scripture is warning against you and your theory?
So I ask you AGAIN;
Why are MOST Christians alive today wrong and you right? Why were the Apostolic Fathers who walked with the Apostles and Church Fathers wrong and you right?
Jesus commands us to partake in consuming His Body and Blood (Luke 22:19, 1 Cor. 11:24).
How do you rationalize your way out of this?
Dear JIF,The fact that this was before His crucifixion, it cannot be anything else but symbolic. What? Did Jesus say "Ouch" every time they took a bite out of the bread?
Nope. Scripture has warned Ignatius and others when they had departed from scripture when they made the bread & the wine an idol, treating them as the real thing. Paul warned against this and yet you and most christians fail to apply what makes an item an idol which is by treating it as the real thing.
Really think we are more powerful than God to make the one time sacrifice for sins "present" again to be received "again"?
Signs of the times in these latter days when the falling away from the faith has happened whereas only a few find it. Jesus prophesied how bad it will be.
In 1 Corinthians 11:27-30, Paul speaks to the reality of the Eucharist and the severity of the consequences to those who take this lightly: “Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord unworthily will have to answer for the body and blood of the Lord. A person should examine himself, and so eat the bread and drink the cup. For anyone who eats and drinks without discerning the body, eats and drinks judgment on himself. That is why many among you are ill and infirm, and a considerable number are dying.”no one is going to argue "do this in remembrance of Me", but if my memory serves isn't it Catholicism that teaches that what is called the Eucharist, is the actual presence of the Lord?
and since this mentioned, it is true that the blood is the life of the body, then what is the life of the spirit?
Dear JIF,
I am still trying to figure out if you are being serious or you really believe what you are saying. He said DO THIS IN MEMORYOF ME! That means AFTER the crucifixion. You have read this haven't you?? Do you do this in memory of Him like he asked?
So Ignatious, who was taught by and Apostle, departed from scripture but YOU are sticking to scripture? Once again; are you being serious or just trying to push my buttons??
I don't understand your "more powerful than God" question.
Once again; How do you know YOU are not the one who is "falling away from the faith"? Especially since your theory is not biblical and opposite of 2,000 years of Christian teaching? Your theory started about 500 years ago. You believe the men that came up with your theory are right but you don't believe Ignatious? Truly bizarre.
Mary