Been attacked by the devil or demon for years.. please just ask god to take it from me.

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With regard to Jesus works in His "fleshly" ministry, Jesus had no need to "ask for credentials" as you say for two reasons,

You are very clearly confused. I at no point in this discussion ever said Jesus asked for peoples credentials/ You said it. Do I really need to quote you again? YOU SAID IT NOT ME. If I said it QUOTE ME. please.
There is little or nothing in the reast of your post in regaurd to the question I asked that you still never answerd. So I deleted it.
There was only one point which I will address in another thread. I like to keep it to the point please you do the same.
 

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So clearly here once again you are running round in circles and avoiding the question why?
Oh I more than read the bible I live it daily. You asked for people credentials when you said I have a little experiance in dealing with demons. You then procedid to ask if the have been saved. So that is asking for credentials obviously. So now you like many others are saying I cant talk English my native langauge? You dug a hole for your self here and its getting deeper. I will quote you one more time.




Here is you checking on peoples credentials. So hopefully last time I need to ask it. where in scripture do you see what YOU are teaching???
I'm neither omniscient nor do I possess the ability to see what is in the heart of a man. I'm only able to discern with my senses. Jesus had no such limitations and if you think He went about healing everyone with a disease or congenital condition, then you clearly haven't been careful in your reading of scripture. I avoid using a lot of scriptural references when I'm using my kindle, because I have no idea how to copy and paste between these applications, and typing one letter at a time aggravates the tendonitis in my right arm. You avoided my comments about the Lord's visit to Nazareth, so I assume that you're being disingenuous.
 

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You are very clearly confused. I at no point in this discussion ever said Jesus asked for peoples credentials/ You said it. Do I really need to quote you again? YOU SAID IT NOT ME. If I said it QUOTE ME. please.
There is little or nothing in the reast of your post in regaurd to the question I asked that you still never answerd. So I deleted it.
There was only one point which I will address in another thread. I like to keep it to the point please you do the same.
Comprehension issues?
 

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A person who has the Lord's Spirit within them can't possibly be possessed, but might be harassed or tested.

Hi there
Yes I agree with that ( I think!!)
( like yourself...we also have had dealing with delivering people from the clutches of the demonic)
..maybe not 'possessed'..(although some ministries do use that word for it)
......but for sure oppressed, ...and 'in' them. We have cast spirits out and off of born again , spirit filled , Christians...many times.

I do agree with you asking the bound person where they stand with Christ. Because when dealing with them, against the Devil...their WILL is involved. We can never get spirits out of the bound if they are not willing and "fighting with us"... that has been our experience anyway.

One lady would always run out whenever we started in on the demons...(she was not running they were!)
So she sat in the chair with her legs wrapped around the chair legs..so that she couldn't run..Now that is someone who really really wants to be delivered! :)
 

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I'm neither omniscient nor do I possess the ability to see what is in the heart of a man. I'm only able to discern with my senses. Jesus had no such limitations and if you think He went about healing everyone with a disease or congenital condition, then you clearly haven't been careful in your reading of scripture. I avoid using a lot of scriptural references when I'm using my kindle, because I have no idea how to copy and paste between these applications, and typing one letter at a time aggravates the tendonitis in my right arm. You avoided my comments about the Lord's visit to Nazareth, so I assume that you're being disingenuous.
To assume will make an ass of u and me
I am not concerned about nazerath. I wanted scripture for you false stament. But its very clear there are none so hopfully everyone can see that. and we dont make the same mistakes.
Iam not "being disingenuous." As you think. I am trying to stay on point that you are avoiding like the plague.

Jesus healed them all every where he went. Please read the healing threads of start a new one. Jesus healed them all. Why do you continue to tell me to read what you cant even quote?
 

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To assume will make an ass of u and me
I am not concerned about nazerath. I wanted scripture for you false stament. But its very clear there are none so hopfully everyone can see that. and we dont make the same mistakes.
Iam not "being disingenuous." As you think. I am trying to stay on point that you are avoiding like the plague.

Jesus healed them all every where he went. Please read the healing threads of start a new one. Jesus healed them all. Why do you continue to tell me to read what you cant even quote?
So you're unconcerned with what scripture says about the ministry of Christ? If you don't believe the Word, then you'll never believe me.
Just fired up my computer for the dullest sword in the scabbard: verses to follow.
 
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23. And He said to them, "You will surely say this proverb to Me, `Physician, heal yourself! Whatever we have heard done in Capernaum, do also here in Your country.' ''
24. Then He said, "Assuredly, I say to you, no prophet is accepted in his own country.
25. "But I tell you truly, many widows were in Israel in the days of Elijah, when the heaven was shut up three years and six months, and there was a great famine throughout all the land;
26. "but to none of them was Elijah sent except to Zarephath, in the region of Sidon, to a woman who was a widow.
27. "And many lepers were in Israel in the time of Elisha the prophet, and none of them was cleansed except Naaman the Syrian.''
28. Then all those in the synagogue, when they heard these things, were filled with wrath,
29. and rose up and thrust Him out of the city; and they led Him to the brow of the hill on which their city was built, that they might throw Him down over the cliff.
30. Then passing through the midst of them, He went His way. Luke 4:23-30

and the parallel passage from Matthew:

54. And when He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, "Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works?
55. "Is this not the carpenter's son? Is not His mother called Mary? And His brothers James, Joses, Simon, and Judas?
56. "And His sisters, are they not all with us? Where then did this Man get all these things?''
57. So they were offended at Him. But Jesus said to them, "A prophet is not without honor except in his own country and in his own house.''
58. And He did not do many mighty works there because of their unbelief. Matthew 13:54-58

Our Lord is not some kind of cosmic santa claus, or random miracle worker. He responds to faith throughout the gospels. If you had read them, then you should know this.

Isaiah wrote: Here am I and the children whom the Lord has given me! We are for signs and wonders in Israel From the Lord of hosts, Who dwells in Mount Zion. Isaiah 8:18
This had a personal fulfillment in Isaiah's life, but in the context of chapter 8 it is understood to be speaking of the coming messiah (verse 14 is referenced in the New Testament as referring to Jesus):
14. He will be as a sanctuary, but a stone of stumbling and a rock of offense to both the houses of Israel, as a trap and a snare to the inhabitants of Jerusalem.
15. And many among them shall stumble; they shall fall and be broken, be snared and taken.''
Isaiah 8:14-15
I think that its pretty safe to say that these verses didn't apply to Isaiah.
 
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Our Lord is not some kind of cosmic santa claus, or random miracle worker. He responds to faith throughout the gospels. If you had read them, then you should know this..
Your talking in riddles.

So whos faith got Lazerus up? Not lazeruses obviously not his sisters cause shes not even thinking raising from the dead NOW.

We knows what faith does . But Jesus did not discount those with no faith. There faith got them healed we know that.
But YOU are still avoiding the question I put to you. Because of you false claim. This is a fine example of christians pretending to be teachers.
You are teaching falsely. You said you cant quote scripture because you only have an ipad.
So how did you manage to quote so many scripture that have nothing to do with my question?
You need to stop telling borthers lies in public.

I asked you ablut 15 times to give us scriptures where we are told to ask people if the are saved or baptised before we cast out demons.
You never gave a single scripture to qualify you false teaching. YOU ARE ADDING TO THE WORD.
 

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Comprehension issues?
Maybe you hav
An obvious scriptural quote. Take the log out of your eye.
Why are you being offencive towards me. I asked you a civil question and expect better from a brother in Christ. You are being derogatory towards me for no good reason. I know you because of the fruit you are producing. I said nothing against you. twice now you asked me if I even read the bible. You accused me of comprhention issues. My only issue is your lying to brothers in Christ. all because you are to proud to say I was wrong and you are wrong and lying to cover pride. You need to stop it. The whole community is seeing this.
 

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Your talking in riddles.

So whos faith got Lazerus up? Not lazeruses obviously not his sisters cause shes not even thinking raising from the dead NOW.

We knows what faith does . But Jesus did not discount those with no faith. There faith got them healed we know that.
But YOU are still avoiding the question I put to you. Because of you false claim. This is a fine example of christians pretending to be teachers.
You are teaching falsely. You said you cant quote scripture because you only have an ipad.
So how did you manage to quote so many scripture that have nothing to do with my question?
You need to stop telling borthers lies in public.

I asked you ablut 15 times to give us scriptures where we are told to ask people if the are saved or baptised before we cast out demons.
You never gave a single scripture to qualify you false teaching. YOU ARE ADDING TO THE WORD.
I never said that you should do such a thing. No one said that you have to imitate me, and it would be pointless if you did. I wrote my post according to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Of course you have to have His Spirit in order to follow Him.
 

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I never said that you should do such a thing. No one said that you have to imitate me, and it would be pointless if you did. I wrote my post according to the leading of the Holy Spirit. Of course you have to have His Spirit in order to follow Him.
See now you are twisting it again and even blaming Holy Ghost now :)
The OP said he is demon possesed.
Then you said this to the OP.

Have you indeed put all your trust in Him? Have you believed that He died to pay the price of your sin? Have you believed that He is risen from the dead and will return to gather His people and judge the Earth? Have you asked Him to seal you with His Spirit? Even those who have been sealed may be harassed by unclean spirits, but this is just a testing of faith and greater is He who is in us (that have received of His Spirit) than he who is in the world. I've prayed for you. I hope that it's a help.

I then asked you where is scripture do you read that we should ask what there position is in Christ baptisim or any thing else?
Jesus never done it. You have then procedded to run round in circles telling us you cant quote scripture to prove you false point. Fine.
But then you quote many scriptures in regaurd to something that has nothing to do with the OP or my points.

Please provide scriptures that tells you to ask for someone spiritual position before praying for a demon to go?

Hopefully this is clear for you?
 

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See now you are twisting it again and even blaming Holy Ghost now :)
The OP said he is demon possesed.
Then you said this to the OP.



I then asked you where is scripture do you read that we should ask what there position is in Christ baptisim or any thing else?
Jesus never done it. You have then procedded to run round in circles telling us you cant quote scripture to prove you false point. Fine.
But then you quote many scriptures in regaurd to something that has nothing to do with the OP or my points.

Please provide scriptures that tells you to ask for someone spiritual position before praying for a demon to go?

Hopefully this is clear for you?[/QUOTE)

I can't provide scripture for something I didn't say. What my questions were is a presentation of the gospel in the form of questions. If someone is saved, they have no need of an exorcist, because they have God within them. This was not possible during Jesus' earthly ministry because the Holy Spirit was not yet given. You can pray for the deliverance of the heathen, but if they haven't received Christ, the unclean spirit will return and bring more and worse with it.
 

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Uh, no it didn't, you've just assumed that by the comments made. A born again believer can be harassed or oppressed by unclean spirits, but not possessed (inhabited) by them as God is already present in them in the person of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. You can pray for the deliverance of a person without the Holy Spirit, but the unclean spirit will eventually return and bring more unclean spirits with it. When Jesus was ministering in the flesh, the Holy Spirit was not yet given to inhabit men and couldn't be as the redemption price was not yet paid with the precious blood of our Savior. My questions were not "asking for credentials" but a presentation of the gospel in the form of questions. The only permanent solution to demonic activity is receiving Jesus Christ by faith. If you know Him, then you know this to be true.
 

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Why are you being offencive towards me. I asked you a civil question and expect better from a brother in Christ. You are being derogatory towards me for no good reason. I know you because of the fruit you are producing. I said nothing against you. twice now you asked me if I even read the bible. You accused me of comprhention issues. My only issue is your lying to brothers in Christ. all because you are to proud to say I was wrong and you are wrong and lying to cover pride. You need to stop it. The whole community is seeing this.
Again I say take the log out of your eye (or maybe read what Jesus said in that regard so you might have some comprehension of what that means.)
You have no right to make accusations against the saints. You haven't been appointed to judge them or speak evil of them, and if you are unaware of who it is that you address (saved or unsaved) then it would be better to remain silent and demonstrate some modicum of wisdom. I didn't accuse you of having comprehension issues, that much is obvious to anyone who reads your distortions and slander. I always give the benefit of the doubt to strangers, and assume that their falsehoods are out of ignorance, and consequently attempt to reveal their error. Unfortunately, this is a public venue, although limited, and the prideful regularly disobey the Royal Commandment whenever caught in an error, in the vain attempt to preserve their reputation, as though their reputation was more important than their testimony before God and man. I on the other hand have no reputation to preserve, even my name has been dragged through the mud by an identity thief (or true doppelganger) that has left a trail of bad debt and evil deeds before me for decades.
Do us all a favor and just grow up.
You can start by changing your screen name to something which doesn't blaspheme our Lord. The word "sword" can mean a number of things, but in Baptist circles it refers to the sword of the Spirit, the written word of God. Jesus is the word made flesh and I know Him well enough to know that you aren't Him.
 

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Hi there
Yes I agree with that ( I think!!)
( like yourself...we also have had dealing with delivering people from the clutches of the demonic)
..maybe not 'possessed'..(although some ministries do use that word for it)
......but for sure oppressed, ...and 'in' them. We have cast spirits out and off of born again , spirit filled , Christians...many times.

I do agree with you asking the bound person where they stand with Christ. Because when dealing with them, against the Devil...their WILL is involved. We can never get spirits out of the bound if they are not willing and "fighting with us"... that has been our experience anyway.

One lady would always run out whenever we started in on the demons...(she was not running they were!)
So she sat in the chair with her legs wrapped around the chair legs..so that she couldn't run..Now that is someone who really really wants to be delivered! :)
You've never cast a spirit out of someone that was born again, though you may have cast out a demon from one who was self deceived. No unclean spirit can share a dwelling place with the Lord. That's an absurdity.
BTW, I speak in part from experience. I was delivered from at least one deceiving spirit when I received Christ as my Savior and Lord. I was raised as a Roman Catholic, a people who are very much under spiritual attack most of the time, and while I always thought of Jesus Christ as my master, reading the scriptures at an early age gave me doubts about the Lord's divinity (I thought like the ancient Jews and had only a natural mind with which to try to comprehend the Old Testament scripture.)
I studied the sciences from my youth, dabbled in philosophy, eastern religions, mysticism, native American mysticism and sorcery, as well as mind altering drugs. All these things make one susceptible to external spiritual influence of a demonic nature. In particular, prior to my second birth, I had been studying and practising an "internal" marshall art known as Tai Chi Chuan. This art is called by some, "the way of rejuvenation" and really does impart physical benefits , but for physical reasons, not spiritual ones. However, the training that I received emphasized ancient Chinese Taoist philosophy, which is entirely based upon observation of a fallen world. I learned how to circulate "chi" at will and was able to use it to do "miraculous" things. I did not know that the " chi" movement and "miracles" were a deception born of unclean spirits until I committed my soul to Christ's care and my obedience to His commandment while praying to receive His Spirit in a parking lot in Jersey City with my brother in Christ, Jerome (who by the way, was raised as a Jehovah's witness but was delivered by the gospel.)
When I received His Spirit, the unclean spirit(s) left in what felt like a sudden incredibly powerful movement of Chi out of that point on the top of the head which is accepted as a portal of sorts in mystic "circles. "
From that moment on the Lord has been teaching me from His word, reconciling all scripture to itself, revealing Jesus in the Old Testament, pointing out sin that I should turn away from but revealing His grace in that it has already been forgiven from the foundation of the world, and revealing a love greater than I could imagine possible.
It's difficult for people placed in the world and with family responsibilities to be spontaneous, but spontaneity is something of a requirement in following Christ's Spirit. All the people that I know as born again believers, receive direction from God by way of what is called the unction of the Holy Spirit (the Holy zeal of a Holy God to perform in us His own will.) They all read and meditate upon scripture so that their will is informed by God's word and so that they may learn to discern good from evil.
I've never performed an exorcism, but I shut the mouth of an unclean spirit (while under the unction of the Holy Spirit) with one command in the name of Jesus Christ before a room of witnesses though only 2 actually understood what had happened. Jesus uses His Spirit to glorify God in His person, through us, and all such works are His own in us. That's the way of things in Christ.
 
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Uh, no it didn't, you've just assumed that by the comments made. A born again believer can be harassed or oppressed by unclean spirits, but not possessed (inhabited) by them as God is already present in them in the person of the Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Christ. You can pray for the deliverance of a person without the Holy Spirit, but the unclean spirit will eventually return and bring more unclean spirits with it. When Jesus was ministering in the flesh, the Holy Spirit was not yet given to inhabit men and couldn't be as the redemption price was not yet paid with the precious blood of our Savior. My questions were not "asking for credentials" but a presentation of the gospel in the form of questions. The only permanent solution to demonic activity is receiving Jesus Christ by faith. If you know Him, then you know this to be true.
Theres no beating you. But I did notice you still brought any scriptures
 

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You've never cast a spirit out of someone that was born again, though you may have cast out a demon from one who was self deceived. No unclean spirit can share a dwelling place with the Lord. That's an absurdity.
Wonder if you could provide a scripture to back this up????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Just one please you make this up as you go lol. Scripture thank you?
 

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Wonder if you could provide a scripture to back this up????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Just one please you make this up as you go lol. Scripture thank you?
Could you repeat your request and comment in cogent English or do you really believe that your statements carry weight? Grow up.
 

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Could you repeat your request and comment in cogent English or do you really believe that your statements carry weight? Grow up.
So like the last twp statemeents its all your thoughts and not scripture. Ok I now know how to adress you. You will be stuck in the ignore list all your doing is wasting time and getting ratty into the bargain. I dont need the agro man.