It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[bbyrd009]

You're confusing verses and times and places.

it pays to remember that we are talking about a people here who have demanded that ppl confess in dark closets to earthly mediators who have expressly, on purpose, avoided the Scriptural plan for a Man, and issue "penance" for sins, who also demand that they be called "Christians."

Sleight of hand is all you are going to get where the Book is concerned here imo

 

[bbyrd009]

Oh for goodness sakes BoL.
What are you asking bb this for ??

This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to get you to answer for the last half hour.

IT'S TWO DIFFERENT MARYS.
Your VERSES are NOT SPEAKING OF THE MOTHER OF JESUS.

it's his story, let him tell it imo. Bye BoL

 

[bbyrd009]

They're almost at the point of declaring her a co-redemptrix.

anything to keep the focus off Christ i guess

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

And after 844 posts, BreadofLife still maintains a slight lead over all others......

 

[bbyrd009]

It's Mathew 13:55
I've posted it many times, but I get no reply...

He picks the verses he likes better.
The bible is a whole and entire book.

ya, and i'm guessing we'll be reading some "missive" by some dead "church father" any second now, explaining the magic act involved here

 

[bbyrd009]

And after 844 posts, BreadofLife still maintains a slight lead over all others......

ah then maybe you could explain his position; what is the connection?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Regarding what I highlighted:

Do you have any supporting evidence for the above?

James the Younger, or Lesser, was NOT the brother of Jesus.
As you must know there was more than one James as there was more than one Mary and it could get confusing.

And who is Joses?
I don't find that name in either the Hebrew, the Aramaic, or the Greek.
Please show where that name comes from.

I'd like to post the following regarding James the Lesser:

The Apostle James, son of Alphaeus, was also known as James the Less, or James the Lesser. He's not to be confused with James the son of Zebedee, brother of the Apostle John.

A third James appears in the New Testament. He was the brother of the Lord, a leader in the Jerusalem church, and writer of the book of James.

Source:
Meet James the Lesser: Obscure Apostle

James the Less or "Younger" is known as the son of Alphaeus or "Clopas" (Matthew 10:3, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13).
He was an Apostle and the one called "Brother of the Lord" and was the Bishop of Jerusalem (Matthew 12:46-50; 13:55, Mark 3:21, 6:3, John 7:3-5, Acts 1:14, Galatians 1:19, James 1:1, Acts 12:17; Acts 15:1315:13; 21:18, 1 Corinthians 15:5-7, Galatians 1:19; 2:9, 12; James 1:1, Jude 1:1).

He is listed as the son of the other "Mary" standing near the cross (John 19:25). She is called Mary's (Jesus's mother) sister (adelphe).

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

ah then maybe you could explain his position; what is the connection?

He has his thumb on the scale.

 

[BreadOfLife]

none of which have anything to do with Matt 13:55, that we are able to discern. What connects them, to your mind?

Wrong - they have EVERYTHING to do with Matt. 13:55.
Jesus's mother Mary was in the company of the James, Joseph, Simon and Judas - the sons of the other Mary near the cross.
This Mary is describes as bing the "sister" (Adelphe) of Jesus' mother Mary.

We know that they were not uterine sisters because they have the SAME NAME. They are related in some other form because she is called "Adelphe."

Is ANY of this sinking in yet??

 

[BreadOfLife]

He has his thumb on the scale.

Translation: "I have nothing to add - just popping in again . . ."

 

[bbyrd009]

James the Less or "Younger" is known as the son of Alphaeus or "Clopas" (Matthew 10:3, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13).
He was an Apostle and the one called "Brother of the Lord" and was the Bishop of Jerusalem (Matthew 12:46-50; 13:55, Mark 3:21, 6:3, John 7:3-5, Acts 1:14, Galatians 1:19, James 1:1, Acts 12:17; Acts 15:1315:13; 21:18, 1 Corinthians 15:5-7, Galatians 1:19; 2:9, 12; James 1:1, Jude 1:1).

He is listed as the son of the other "Mary" standing near the cross (John 19:25). She is called Mary's (Jesus's mother) sister (adelphe).

so iow you just cannot deal with Matt 13:55? Is that what you're saying here?

 

[bbyrd009]

Wrong - they have EVERYTHING to do with Matt. 13:55.
Jesus's mother Mary was in the company of the James, Joseph, Simon and Judas - the sons of the other Mary near the cross.
This Mary is describes as bing the "sister" (Adelphe) of Jesus' mother Mary.

this is your explanation for

Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't His mother called Mary, and His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?

that Matthew is being intentionally deceptive here, for some unknown reason?

 

[GodsGrace]

James the Less or "Younger" is known as the son of Alphaeus or "Clopas" (Matthew 10:3, Mark 3:18, Luke 6:15, Acts 1:13).
He was an Apostle and the one called "Brother of the Lord" and was the Bishop of Jerusalem (Matthew 12:46-50; 13:55, Mark 3:21, 6:3, John 7:3-5, Acts 1:14, Galatians 1:19, James 1:1, Acts 12:17; Acts 15:1315:13; 21:18, 1 Corinthians 15:5-7, Galatians 1:19; 2:9, 12; James 1:1, Jude 1:1).

He is listed as the son of the other "Mary" standing near the cross (John 19:25). She is called Mary's (Jesus's mother) sister (adelphe).

OK.
And James the Lesser is who YOU are talking about
NOT James the brother of Jesus.

Also see this:

by Mary Fairchild
Updated April 09, 2017

The Apostle James, son of Alphaeus, was also known as James the Less, or James the Lesser. He's not to be confused with James the son of Zebedee, brother of the Apostle John.

A third James appears in the New Testament. He was the brother of the Lord, a leader in the Jerusalem church, and writer of the book of James.

James of Alphaeus is named in each listing of the 12 disciples, alwaysalways appearing ninth in orderThe Apostle Matthew (called Levi, the tax collector before becoming a follower of Christ), is also identified in Mark 2:14 as the son of Alphaeus, yet scholars doubt he and James were brothers. Never in the Gospels are the two disciples connected.

James the Lesser
The title "James the Lesser" or "the Little," helps to distinguish him from the Apostle James, son of Zebedee, who was part of Jesus' inner circle of three and the first disciple to be martyred. James the Lesser may have been younger or smaller in stature than Zebedee's son, as the Greek word for "the less", mikros, conveys both meanings.

Although it's argued by scholars, some believe James the Lesser was the disciple who first witnessed the risen Christ in 1 Corinthians 15:7:

Then he appeared to James, then to all the apostles. (ESV)
Beyond this, Scripture reveals nothing more about James the Lesser.

source:
Meet James the Lesser: Obscure Apostle

 

[GodsGrace]

Translation: "I have nothing to add - just popping in again . . ."

We do need some relief here.

Tell me why this is so important.

Is it because Mary is almost declared a co-redemptrix?
Do you think this Pope is going to curb that, or encourage it?
I say curb.

 

[GodsGrace]

He has his thumb on the scale.

Speaking of thumbs.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Oh for goodness sakes BoL.
What are you asking bb this for ??

This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to get you to answer for the last half hour.

IT'S TWO DIFFERENT MARYS.
Your VERSES are NOT SPEAKING OF THE MOTHER OF JESUS.

For about the TENTH time:

John 19:25
"But standing by the cross of Jesus were HIS MOTHER, and HIS OTHER'S SISTER MARY, THE WIFE OF CLOPAS, and MARY MAGDALENE".

That's THREE Mary's by my count.
How many do YOU see??

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

For about the TENTH time:

John 19:25
"But standing by the cross of Jesus were HIS MOTHER, and HIS OTHER'S SISTER MARY, THE WIFE OF CLOPAS, and MARY MAGDALENE".

That's THREE Mary's by my count.
How many do YOU see??

This verse says his mother, and his mother's sister.
How do we know if she was a half sister or not?
Can't be a blood sister.
If that were the case, the catholic church would surely worship her as well.

 

[BreadOfLife]

JAMES AND JOSES AND MARY

ARE NOT

MARY, THE MOTHER OF JESUS
AND JAMES THE APOSTLE, BROTHER OF JESUS
AND WHO IS JOSES???

I've asked you to explain that.

Mathew 13:55 shows:
MARY, the mother of Jesus
His brothers: JAMES, AND JOSEPH, AND SIMON, AND JUDAS
AND IT ALSO SPEAKS OF HIS SISTERS.

The people that lived in the town of Nazareth, where Jesus grew up, knew the family. They knew the names of all the children.
You cannot deny this.

The Mary YOU are speaking of is MARY, the mother of JAMES THE LESSER AND JOSES. I do not believe Joses is the same name as Joseph.

It's your burden to prove that it is. Not mine.
I'm saying it's different persons,
If YOU think it's the SAME persons, please show it.

Joseph and Joses are the same person.
Matthew's account says Joseph, while Mark's account says Joses. This is the SAME name transliterated 3 different ways.

THREE Marys are names when you compare all THREE accounts at the cross:
1. Mary, Mother of Jesus
2. Mary, wife of Clopas and mother of James the Younger (Less) and Joseph (Joses)
3. Mary Magdalene

What is so difficult to understand about this??

 

[BreadOfLife]

This verse says his mother, and his mother's sister.
How do we know if she was a half sister or not?
Can't be a blood sister.
If that were the case, the catholic church would surely worship her as well.

No - we only worship God.
YOU seem to worship the god of lies, though . . .

Anyway - "Adelphe" doesn't necessarily mean uterine sibling or blood relative - and neither does "Adelphos."

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Joseph and Joses are the same person.
Matthew's account says Joseph, while Mark's account says Joses. This is the SAME name transliterated 3 different ways.

THREE Marys are names when you compare all THREE accounts at the cross:
1. Mary, Mother of Jesus
2. Mary, wife of Clopas and mother of James the Younger (Less) and Joseph (Joses)
3. Mary Magdalene

What is so difficult to understand about this??

You say it wrong.
You list 3 women instead of four.
His mother (comma), his mother's sister (comma), Mary the wife of Clopas (comma), and Mary Magdalene (period).