It is not in the bible.....sola scripture

[GodsGrace]

That's just it - YOU guys are the ones telling us to prove this negative.

All we are saying is that there is NO evidence - Scriptural OR historical that shows Mary having ANY other children besides Jesus.

NO BoL
We're trying to prove that there were other brothers:
I posted Mathew many times.
They're even named.
How could we know for sure they weren't Mary's, I wouldn't know since the bible was written about Jesus and not about Mary.
Mathew 13:55 In the town of Nazareth.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

It's not a historical document.

I can write a book showing that she gave birth to space aliens - but that doesn't prove squat.

Was Jesus a space alien?
Now that's a thought.
Another conspiracy.
You are full of them.

 

[BreadOfLife]

NO BoL
We're trying to prove that there were other brothers:
I posted Mathew many times.
They're even named.
How could we know for sure they weren't Mary's, I wouldn't know since the bible was written about Jesus and not about Mary.
Mathew 13:55 In the town of Nazareth.

Unless you've been completely ignoring my posts - I already debunked this idea - several times.
This is what I presented:

Why do you cling to verses like this one that only work to prove the Catholic position??
As YOU and everybody here has already been shown - these are the children of the "other" Mary standing near the cross:

Matt. 27:56 says, "among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of JAMES THE YOUNGER and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 tells us, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

A comparison of these accounts of the crucifixion shows the mother of James and Joseph (Joses) to be Mary, the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. She is obviously a relative of the Blessed Mother.

James the Younger is the one called "brother of the Lord" in other parts of the NT.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Apparently, you're run out of ammunition and useful information on this topic.
Next time - bring something bigger than a pea-shooter to a gunfight . . .

I'm not here to shoot you down.
I'm not even here to knock some sense into you.
Come to think of it, what am I here for?.....

 

[bbyrd009]

Mathew 13:55 In the town of Nazareth.

good luck getting him to even acknowledge that one lol

 

[GodsGrace]

Wrong.

If you're talking about the consecrated host - it ONLY get's broken up into smaller pieces if it's an extra large host. If it's a smaller host, the priest consumes it all.
Nobody around the altar gets "first picks".

As for the Cup that goes to the parishioners - that holds the Precious Blood of Christ.
The Ciborium is where the consecrated hosts are held.

I'm always wrong according to you.
Rollo and I were talking about the host YOU are holding in your hands.
You're too interested in proving everyone wrong even when they're not.

I'd say the host YOU are holding is EXTRA large.
And for those the ones around the altar do get first picks.
And I wasn't talking about the blood of Christ.
I was speaking to Rollo about how a small amount of water is added to the wine
BEFORE it's consecrated.

You should read my posts before you reply to them.
I'm always right.
I taught the Mass. As you know, it's part of the Catechism.
I've forgotten some stuff, but if I say it, I know it.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Unless you've been completely ignoring my posts - I already debunked this idea - several times.
This is what I presented:

Why do you cling to verses like this one that only work to prove the Catholic position??
As YOU and everybody here has already been shown - these are the children of the "other" Mary standing near the cross:

Matt. 27:56 says, "among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

Mark 15:40 states, "There were also women looking on from afar, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of JAMES THE YOUNGER and of Joses, and Salome".

Finally, John 19:25 tells us, "But standing by the cross of Jesus were his mother, and his mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene".

A comparison of these accounts of the crucifixion shows the mother of James and Joseph (Joses) to be Mary, the wife of Clopas (also called, Alphaeus) – not Mary, the Mother of Jesus. She is obviously a relative of the Blessed Mother.

James the Younger is the one called "brother of the Lord" in other parts of the NT.

Your debunking is not agreed by anyone.

 

[GodsGrace]

good luck getting him to even acknowledge that one lol

It's OK.
I used to be one.
I know how they think.
I'm just trying to make his day a little more surreal...

 

[BreadOfLife]

Was Jesus a space alien?
Now that's a thought.
Another conspiracy.
You are full of them.

Like I said, son - you're OUT of ammuntion so you're taking cheap shots.
Try to respond with something of substance - and not just asinine one-liners.

I've exposed another one . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Your debunking is not agreed by anyone.

Then debunk what I presented.
That's the way an intelligent conversation works . . .

 

[bbyrd009]

As YOU and everybody here has already been shown - these are the children of the "other" Mary standing near the cross:

near the cross? what page are you even on, bro?

Isn't this the carpenter's son? Isn't His mother called Mary, and His brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas?

when you get to this page let us know, ok

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Like I said, son - you're OUT of ammuntion so you're taking cheap shots.
Try to respond with something of substance - and not just asinine one-liners.

I've exposed another one . . .

Who do you celebrate your victories with at night?
Your pet armadillo?

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Then debunk what I presented.
That's the way an intelligent conversation works . . .

You've been debunked many times by many people, but you live in a world all your own, and it's a very tiny world.

 

[bbyrd009]

It's OK.
I used to be one.
I know how they think.
I'm just trying to make his day a little more surreal...

ha. Well i gotta take it back anyway, seems he acknowledged it, sort of. Just not really. Some bunk about "don't look there, look over here" is what i'm getting, make any sense to you? "That Scripture directly informing us that Jesus had a mother, Mary, and brothers and sisters with names that everyone was familiar with, should be interpreted for you by a Catholic" i guess

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm always wrong according to you.
Rollo and I were talking about the host YOU are holding in your hands.
You're too interested in proving everyone wrong even when they're not.

I'd say the host YOU are holding is EXTRA large.
And for those the ones around the altar do get first picks.
And I wasn't talking about the blood of Christ.
I was speaking to Rollo about how a small amount of water is added to the wine
BEFORE it's consecrated.

You should read my posts before you reply to them.
I'm always right.
I taught the Mass. As you know, it's part of the Catechism.
I've forgotten some stuff, but if I say it, I know it.

That's really frightening - that YOU taught about the mass and don't know what is happening during the Mass.

You said that the priest puts the "pieces" into the cup - then they go out to the parishioners. This is total nonsense.
The Cup is where the Precious Blood is held. The Ciborium is where the consecrated hosts are held. I am a Eucharistic Minister, so I would know about these things.

By the way - you're not ALWAYS wrong.
You're just USUALLY wrong when it comes to describing Catholic teachings.

 

[bbyrd009]

You've been debunked many times by many people, but you live in a world all your own, and it's a very tiny world.

surely he got kicked out of the rcc long time ago, i mean could you imagine having this guy in your church?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You've been debunked many times by many people, but you live in a world all your own, and it's a very tiny world.

Then PLEASE show me where I was debunked on this thread.
Just ONE post.

 

[BreadOfLife]

surely he got kicked out of the rcc long time ago, i mean could you imagine having this guy in your church?

ha. Well i gotta take it back anyway, seems he acknowledged it, sort of. Just not really. Some bunk about "don't look there, look over here" is what i'm getting, make any sense to you? "That Scripture directly informing us that Jesus had a mother, Mary, and brothers and sisters with names that everyone was familiar with, should be interpreted for you by a Catholic" i guess

Then SHOW me where the Bible speaks of MARY'S other children.
Can you do that??

I'll even take an apocryphal writing or ANY historical document.
Can you show me one - just ONE??

That's what I thought . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

It's OK.
I used to be one.
I know how they think.
I'm just trying to make his day a little more surreal...

You MAY have been one - but you were a very ignorant one.
Most of what you say about what the Church teaches is dead-wrong.

It's frightening to think that you taught the Catechism.

 

[bbyrd009]

As YOU and everybody here has already been shown - these are the children of the "other" Mary standing near the cross:

Matt. 27:56 says, "among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James and Joseph, and the mother of the sons of Zebedee".

k, we're back at Matt 13; and i am prolly the most open guy on the planet to alt interpretations of Scripture, but i am not getting why you are led to jump to Matt 27 to justify that Mary did not have the children that Scripture plainly states she did in Matt 13, wadr.

What is the connection?