The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

[bbyrd009]

Shouldn't you side on the side of caution than wing it when you yourself don't even know as is evident by your lack of explanation? So stupid.

ya, i'm like that, what can i tell ya, i did my best to steer you into sin, and i guess i just failed, dang.
Prolly i should go clear out my fridge i guess, huh.

 

[christiang]

That is actually as sad post. Because anything that is not of faith is sin.
You obviously do not have enough faith in what Jesus Christ has done.
You think adding to your wee bit of faith is going to please God...it will not , we cannot add to the Finished work.
Also the "I fear God and want to obey Him" is a sad confession for someone who is called to be in The Bride Of Christ. Some 'happy wife'...living in fear and frightened that they will do something that brings punishment.

I know of what I speak...I too "lived there" until the 80's.
May God bless you with His Light.

How is fear of God sad? We are told to walk in fear of God and that fear of God is the beginning of wisdom. It is your lack of fear of God that is sad, not my fear of God that leads to obedience, for even Jesus Christ said, "FEAR HIM who is able to destroy body and soul in Gehenna". Now, we don't only fear God, but we also love God, and are willing to lay down our lives for him.

 

[KBCid]

so forgiveness is sin now? i'm afraid you are misunderstanding where i meant for the forgiveness to be engendered; i am not referring to receiving forgiveness there, but in manifesting it oneself, rather than trying to see a commandment that must be followed by--it goes unsaid--others.
So then, in the case of the kid/milk thing, what is given as an opportunity to manifest forgiveness to a new seeker is turned into a law to oppress everyone

Let's maybe look at this another way.
God is the designer for every mechanical system in existence right? Now suppose that when he designed milk the intent was that milk would be a life sustaining part of everyone's existence and as I have noticed there are a number of references God makes in regard to milk that are in accord with the life giving word that was given to us.
So suppose that the command was given by God because they would be offended to see something they designed being used in the exact opposite manner that it was intended to be used. Could it be that by his laws we may learn something about what God likes and dislikes? Could it be that if we love God that we would seek to not offend their sensibilities?
We see this same manner of thought in the references to people having same sex relationships or where it was referenced not to have sex with animals as such a thing is considered confusion according to God.

So should we not do such things because God doesn't like it or should we do whatever we want to because it doesn't matter to us?

 

[mjrhealth]

Faith is not a license to sin. There are believers whose faith dictates that their homosexual acts are not sin, does this faith make their transgression not sin?

No one ever said it was but teh law keepers always use that excuse and yet still you have not answered teh question, so many come here and lat stumbling blocks before Gods children, is that not a sin too. Yet you cant stop sinning, it is teh nature of teh flesh, Christ condemend sin to teh flesh, theer is not a single person in this world who does not sin, from teh least to the greatest, all men sin.

 

[mjrhealth]

Finally...
It is your opinion that it is ok with the Father and Christ that believers can continue to knowingly sin because Christ already paid the ticket for every sin they will ever commit?

have you too become a lawyer, have you too stopped sinning ??? funny how men do that demand everyone else do what they them,selves cannot do.

Luk_11:46 And he said, Woe unto you also, ye lawyers! for ye lade men with burdens grievous to be borne, and ye yourselves touch not the burdens with one of your fingers.

 

[christiang]

No one ever said it was but teh law keepers always use that excuse and yet still you have not answered teh question, so many come here and lat stumbling blocks before Gods children, is that not a sin too. Yet you cant stop sinning, it is teh nature of teh flesh, Christ condemend sin to teh flesh, theer is not a single person in this world who does not sin, from teh least to the greatest, all men sin.

We are called to be Law keepers. What we are no longer called to do, however, is observe festivals nor sabbaths nor circumcision, where whoever still enforces observance of these specific commands is a Judaizer. I am not one of these, what I am is an enforcer of "love the lord your God", "love your neighbor as yourself", "do not murder", "do not steal", "do not commit adultery", which are all commands of the Law that Jesus Christ observed and taught, as well as the apostles. You, however, are the opposite of a Judaizer, you are a lawless person, because you have foolishly confused not observing shadow Law, which are the festivals and Sabbaths, to mean that we can go ahead and discard the entire Law, which is not true, for Jesus Christ taught, "it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one jot or one tittle to pass from the Law". And there are many of you in the realm of believers, because you have all been deceived by your teachers that you should discard the Law of God, to your own destruction.

 

[mjrhealth]

@christiang no we are called to love others as God loves us, but how can one love anyone when one insist on binding them up in laws. Love has no laws, love is all those in Christ need, because love does not desire to murder or steal or or covert etc etc, but those who do nor know love need teh law because they need rules to keep them in line, thats why teh law is made for teh ,

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

How can one claim to be in Christ and yet still demand the law. We are supposed to be of teh Spirit not teh flesh that you insist in dwelling in.

 

[christiang]

@christiang no we are called to love others as God loves us, but how can one love anyone when one insist on binding them up in laws. Love has no laws, love is all those in Christ need, because love does not desire to murder or steal or or covert etc etc, but those who do nor know love need teh law because they need rules to keep them in line, thats why teh law is made for teh ,

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

How can one claim to be in Christ and yet still demand the law. We are supposed to be of teh Spirit not teh flesh that you insist in dwelling in.

The same way one claims to be in Christ and is demanded to not be a murderer. Where do you suppose "murderers will not inherit the kingdom of God" comes from? From "thou shall not murder", which is in the Law of God. You cannot separate the need to stop sinning for the sake of Christ from the Law that defines everything that is sin. Let me repeat that, the Law that defines everything that is sin. So if in fact you toss out the Law that defines everything that is sin, you've just blocked yourself from truly ever coming into blamelessness, which is required before receiving the seal of the holy spirit, which is required before you actually belong to Christ, for no one that has not been born of the Spirit belongs to him. You have severe lack of understanding in matters of righteousness, where because of your ignorance, you are on a path towards destruction.

 

[KBCid]

have you too become a lawyer, have you too stopped sinning ??? funny how men do that demand everyone else do what they themselves cannot do.

The question is never about whether one has stopped sinning, it is whether one is supposed to!
So answer the question in straight out English;

It is your opinion that it is ok with the Father and Christ that believers can continue to knowingly sin because Christ already paid the ticket for every sin they will ever commit?

You don't need to be a lawyer to state your beliefs. You either agree with the statement or you do not and if you don't then you can provide the proper correction so that no one can be accused of misquoting you.

 

[mjrhealth]

You have severe lack of understanding in matters of righteousness, where because of your ignorance, you are on a path towards destruction.

Well , while you sit there and scream louder, I know Jesus and HE knows my name, and I stood with Him, even seen His Sheep, as one could put it, all this while still in this flesh, not because what I have done for it not about us, but because of Him and what He has done, You are trying to cover yourself with your own righteousness, and that gets you no where, you can keep the law if you choose, and for your entire life it will condemn you, and when you stand before Christ, "look Jesus at al lI did", well you will see how you wasted your life,

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

whcih would you rather be??

 

[mjrhealth]

It is your opinion that it is ok with the Father and Christ that believers can continue to knowingly sin because Christ already paid the ticket for every sin they will ever commit?

Do you beat your children up when they make mistakes? There are people who do that, just as there are men in this world who beat them selves with ropes trying to beat there flesh into submission. Any body would think God was a mere man the way they carry on. Jesus paid teh price in full, so you would not be troubled when you screw up, but everyone is trying to perfect themselves, much foolishness. It no wonder christians turn to other religions when christians make God to be just like all teh others gods....

 

[KBCid]

Do you beat your children up when they make mistakes? There are people who do that, just as there are men in this world who beat them selves with ropes trying to beat there flesh into submission. Any body would think God was a mere man the way they carry on. Jesus paid teh price in full, so you would not be troubled when you screw up, but everyone is trying to perfect themselves, much foolishness. It no wonder christians turn to other religions when christians make God to be just like all teh others gods....

The question is never about whether one has stopped sinning, nor is it about what any other being does or has done it is whether or not one is supposed to!
So answer the question in straight out English or can you not define your own belief?;

------Is it your opinion that it is ok with the Father and Christ that believers can continue to knowingly sin because Christ already paid the ticket for every sin they will ever commit?-----

Do I hear the familiar "Believe only and you shall be saved" concept?

Rom 2:6He will render to each one according to his works: 7to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; 8but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every human being who does evil, the Jew first and also the Greek...

....12For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts

So for you who are sinning and believe you are without the law you will also perish without the law

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm not going to just discard a command of God and risk losing my soul over a stupid thing as meat and cheese because some idiot in an online forum told me to do so.

i hope you see that i am not meaning to be coy here ok, that drives me nuts, too, but at the same time i do not wish to be held to some example that i have given, that is now taken for some law that i made; but you said that kid goats = unrepentant new believers, like that. But you said that kid = meat, and seethe = mix; you even call it "a command of God."

You have to separate milk and meat, You have to obey every Jewish law or God will get you, You have to get baptized in the titles or your baptism is not valid, any of these might be construed as legitimate instances of the passage, but more importantly see that i am not exploring truth now with another little child who is curious to learn, so much as contesting with someone who says that they already know.

So understand that you are right, i do not know; but i am not under the law.
And you know, but you are under the law, as you have already confessed.
Mixing milk and meat is a sin for you then, but it is not a sin for me.

 

[christiang]

Well , while you sit there and scream louder, I know Jesus and HE knows my name, and I stood with Him, even seen His Sheep, as one could put it, all this while still in this flesh, not because what I have done for it not about us, but because of Him and what He has done, You are trying to cover yourself with your own righteousness, and that gets you no where, you can keep the law if you choose, and for your entire life it will condemn you, and when you stand before Christ, "look Jesus at al lI did", well you will see how you wasted your life,

Luk 18:10 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
Luk 18:11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
Luk 18:12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
Luk 18:13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
Luk 18:14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

whcih would you rather be??

You can beat your breasts all you want, but unless you repent in accordance to the Law of God, your prayer will be ignored,

He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination. (Proverbs 28:9 [KJV])

 

[christiang]

@christiang no we are called to love others as God loves us, but how can one love anyone when one insist on binding them up in laws. Love has no laws, love is all those in Christ need, because love does not desire to murder or steal or or covert etc etc, but those who do nor know love need teh law because they need rules to keep them in line, thats why teh law is made for teh ,

1Ti_1:9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,

How can one claim to be in Christ and yet still demand the law. We are supposed to be of teh Spirit not teh flesh that you insist in dwelling in.

Where do you suppose the command to love others comes from? FROM THE LAW,

"'Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the LORD. (Leviticus 19:18 [NIV])

I put what your blind eyes need to see in bold, italics, underline, and in red. Where do you suppose do not murder comes from? FROM THE LAW,

"You shall not murder. (Exodus 20:13 [NIV])

All these are parameters of righteousness that God has defined IN HIS LAW. You cannot exclude how you need to act from the Law, because the Law is what reveals everything that is sin and is the embodiment of all truth,

if you know his will and approve of what is superior because you are instructed by the law; if you are convinced that you are a guide for the blind, a light for those who are in the dark, an instructor of the foolish, a teacher of little children, because you have in the law the embodiment of knowledge and truth— (Romans 2:18-20 [NIV])

What then shall we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. For I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” (Romans 7:7 [ESV])

…since through the law comes knowledge of sin. (Romans 3:20 [ESV])

This is why Jesus Christ himself said, "I did not come to abolish the Law". Now, the problem with many of you is that you see the Law as a burden, because you don't understand SHADOW command VS LITERAL command, so you essentially either toss out the entire Law, or pick and choose which commands you want to follow. But I'm telling you, you do this unto your own destruction, because disobedience to God, even in the smallest of matters, leads to death.

 

[christiang]

No one ever said it was but teh law keepers always use that excuse and yet still you have not answered teh question, so many come here and lat stumbling blocks before Gods children, is that not a sin too. Yet you cant stop sinning, it is teh nature of teh flesh, Christ condemend sin to teh flesh, theer is not a single person in this world who does not sin, from teh least to the greatest, all men sin.

With men it is impossible to stop sinning, but with God all things are possible. How does God make it possible for men to stop sinning? By his holy spirit - that's the only way it is possible, which is a righteousness that comes from God. This is why the scriptures declare that anyone who is born of God, meaning they have been baptized with the holy spirit, cannot ever sin again. It was the very purpose of the first coming of Jesus Christ, not only to atone for previous sins committed, but to perfect his people through his blood and the sanctification of the holy spirit, which the blood of animals were never able to do. Unless you reach this full stature of Jesus Christ, you will not inherit the kingdom of God, for only those who become born of the Spirit may inherit the kingdom of God, whereas those who are still enslaved to sin do not partake in the inheritance of those who have become freed from sin and given the right to become sons of God by the holy spirit.

 

[bbyrd009]

so you essentially either toss out the entire Law, or pick and choose which commands you want to follow.

gee, tell us about it lol

 

[bbyrd009]

I put what your blind eyes need to see in bold

but you neglected to explain what we should do about your blind eyes; how do we get away from "don't mix milk and meat," being as how that is so obviously not what God commanded?

 

[KBCid]

whereas those who are still enslaved to sin do not partake in the inheritance of those who have become freed from sin and given the right to become sons of God by the holy spirit.

You are arguing with the Stephen Segal mindset.... all men are above the law. God doesn't require anyone to obey anything as long as they can get in their Cadillac's and make it through the salvation drive thru of Mcdowells. Anyone asserting that there are laws are held in derision and odd since very honorable men told them all they need to do is believe and poof you can now do anything you want cause there aren't any rules....
Peter Pan lives in the hearts of many.

 

[bbyrd009]

You are arguing with the Stephen Segal mindset.... all men are above the law. God doesn't require anyone to obey anything

you got this from christiang? hmm