The Law of Moses Has Not Been Abolished

[Richard_oti]

There is no command in the Law that you must wash your hands before eating. As such, that is a tradition of men, not a command of God. <snip>

You are aware though, that there is Instruction with regard to the washing of hands.

I'll get back later today, this is all the time I have this morning.

 

[bbyrd009]

i thought land was real estate? dont feel bad i dont own any real estate either. its better to never have had land than to have possessed it and had it taken from you.

yes, that is essentially the whole point of the difference.

most ppl think real estate is land, even the dictionary, ya. But dictionary definitions are not legal definitions, although i'm not sure how this is justified. Anyway, a lawyer or the right real estate agent could explain, i would post a link but they don't help much here.

Ah ok, i found one, this guy knows what he is talking about; "Therefore, it is important to remember that the term "Land" as it is used in relation to land patent secured Land is synonymous with 'Dominion'" Land Patents: Understanding how they work.

 

[bbyrd009]

because the second coming of Jesus Christ will no longer bring mercy, but condemnation and destruction. Obey now, before it is too late.

now you sound like the new guys, wadr, the fear-mongers, and you have to know this does not rep Christ. There is no fear in love, cg. There is no condemnation in those who are in Christ. Because there is no fear or condemnation in Christ. That all comes from being under the law.

I guess this will come off as unkind, but you are a great example of a kid seethed in milk imo. And i advocate keeping the law, ok.

So, there is some Good News waiting for you, whenever you are willing to receive it, ok. You might keep in mind that if you are convinced that you know a thing, you cannot learn anything else about that thing. Folly is set in great dignity

 

[christiang]

now you sound like the new guys, wadr, the fear-mongers, and you have to know this does not rep Christ. There is no fear in love, cg. There is no condemnation in those who are in Christ. Because there is no fear or condemnation in Christ. That all comes from being under the law.

I guess this will come off as unkind, but you are a great example of a kid seethed in milk imo. And i advocate keeping the law, ok.

So, there is some Good News waiting for you, whenever you are willing to receive it, ok. You might keep in mind that if you are convinced that you know a thing, you cannot learn anything else about that thing. Folly is set in great dignity

You're an idiot, and are unaware of the oncoming wrath. You are among those false prophets that say "peace", when in truth disaster is coming. I suggest you read this study The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth | Wisdom of God , so you can see what is soon to take place.

 

[bbyrd009]

The quagmire in which that one has dug themselves so deeply, will be hard to overcome.

as it should be, i guess. Asking, seeking, and knocking are a lot of work, and i guess the point is to prove commitment prolly. And it is as hard to overcome as one makes it, right? It happens in the twinkling of an eye, literally--or at least it did for me--as soon as something changes your mind.

i had been "saved" for like 30 years before my asking was rewarded--leaning Messianic myself then, i was--and i was reading something completely secular when it clicked; although it was like related, being about how the mind works. (Melody Beattie, Codependent No More)

And as much as i would love to witness that that was the day all my troubles dropped away--which is true in the sense that matters--it was also the beginning of Armageddon lol. My family freaked out. My pastor freaked out. And @H. Richard might appreciate this--it was because he told me i had to do something, to which i mildly replied "no, i don't think i have to do that anymore, but i'm not sure, so i'll pray about it and get back to you." Never saw a guy get so red lol. Never saw him again, either.

My life was...dissolved, is the best word that comes to mind.

(i repost the title only as an example, and because so many of us are so rabidly codependent now)

 

[Helen]

Denying that man can attain a righteous state by being committed and working with the HS for that goal denies everything that Christ same into this world of flesh to show us and is thus anti Christ.

Well . I choose to disagree.
Believing that man CAN attain to perfection is denying the whole reason that Jesus paid the price that he paid!!
Why bother if man could do it himself.
I used to believe that a man who walked in God’s Holy Spirit ‘ could ‘ indeed do it.
I am now 75 , I have been in and out of some denominations over my 53 years as a Christian. I have known some wonderful godly men and women in my time.
Yes I have NOT ever met ONE who has attained to perfection.
The only one EVER has been Jesus Christ our Lord.
Our ONLY hope of perfection before Father God is being found “ In Christ” at His coming.
If you, or Christiang try to tell us here that either of you have attained to perfection then you are greatly deluded. And none of us us stupid enough to believe it!

Hidden in Christ is our perfection....that is “ the work of God...believing in Him who He sent”. That is our faith. And we are saved by grace through faith.
‘ He That has ceased from his own works enters into rest’. He is our Rest.

 

[bbyrd009]

You're an idiot, and are unaware of the oncoming wrath. You are among those false prophets that say "peace", when in truth disaster is coming. I suggest you read this study The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth | Wisdom of God , so you can see what is soon to take place.

hey, got a date for me here, or what, cg? As to the "prophets who say 'peace'" thing, you might read the post above, @ "dissolved." I am not at all telling you "peace" ok, i am assured that what you fear most will come upon you. Your worst nightmares are all going to come true for you, CG. Same as for me. If you fear something, anything, enough, it will come true.

And the Good News? When you get that, what the Good News is, i don't know for sure, but experience and listening tell me that your life is going to melt like hot wax, when that happens. And it does not, ever, happen at Profession, that i am aware of, someone pls correct me if i am wrong. Not that i don't have a measure of peace now that i did not have before, because i do, but i guess one has to realize Armageddon first. So no, i am not crying peace at all ok, i am telling you "count the cost" if anything.

Because where you are right now is a much more...comfortable place, ok.

 

[bbyrd009]

You're an idiot, and are unaware of the oncoming wrath.

there is no fear in love

and i wish you the best in your knowing, ok. Be sure in your own mind.
(a little Scriptural humor there for ya lol, as explained by other Scripture)

 

[Helen]

You're an idiot, and are unaware of the oncoming wrath. You are among those false prophets that say "peace", when in truth disaster is coming. I suggest you read this study The Second Coming, the Trumpet Blasts, the Bowls of Wrath, and Inheriting the Earth | Wisdom of God , so you can see what is soon to take place.

This post is perfect proof that however much you yap on about how we need to "attaint to righteousness" blah blah blah....your own heart is very far from any such "attaining!!"
You are totally unlike the God that you believe that you serve.
You are nothing more than a harsh legalist heaping condemnation upon others..while in that you condemn yourself.
At least those of us who KNOW that we have not 'attained' to righteousness or have any hope at all outside of the finished work of Christ will die in faith...Faith in the mercy and grace of a loving Father...but, what you end will be, I have no idea...but you'd better get on with "working" your way to salvation before you kick off...after all you believe ..break one law, and by your own book...you break them all... ..you'd better get working my friend...the end comes fast.

 

[KBCid]

Going round the bush, all men sin, regardless of being in Christ or not, teh only one who did not sin is Christ, there will never be man ever like Him again.

NO...
All men have sinned is the absolute truth.
Fact, all men do not have to keep on sinning. We can make a choice and Christ was the example to show that man can choose to follow the narrow path with the guidance of the HS and succeed where man on his own has failed. You deny that Christ was a man like any of us and You are also denying that with the HS help we can choose to follow the righteous path and overcome sin just as Christ showed us.

Revelation 2:26 He who overcomes, and he who keeps My deeds until the end, TO HIM I WILL GIVE AUTHORITY OVER THE NATIONS

Romans 8:29-39 ...He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son

 

[KBCid]

Clearly if Jesus Christ taught "stop sinning" then he is implying obedience to certain commands.

Clearly and absolutely. What sense would it make for Christ to tell people to sin no more if it were not possible and further what sense would it make to tell people not to sin if there were in fact no laws to brake.

Salvation isn't simply believe and live however you want and continue sinning. No no no, it is belief, AND obedience. Obedience to what? The Law of God, where Jesus Christ said, "I did not come to abolish the Law". He didn't come to condemn us to death, as the Law demands, but to bring mercy, and call sinners, to repentance, which means to turn and begin to obey the Law. But do not think for one minute that condemnation of the Law will not eventually come, because the second coming of Jesus Christ will no longer bring mercy, but condemnation and destruction. Obey now, before it is too late. Stop being stupid and finding ways to not obey the Law of God, you do so to your own destruction.

Indeed teaching others that there are no laws to brake or that old laws are not binding any more denies that the two royal laws which God has reaffirmed through Christ defines the intent of what they wanted men to learn in the OT moral commands. These two commands from God who will put them in your heart if you commit to them contains all the OT commands and much much more as Christ said even being angry with your brother is equivalent to murder now, Thus actual murder is also carried within the intent of the two royal commands.

 

[christiang]

This post is perfect proof that however much you yap on about how we need to "attaint to righteousness" blah blah blah....your own heart is very far from any such "attaining!!"
You are totally unlike the God that you believe that you serve.
You are nothing more than a harsh legalist heaping condemnation upon others..while in that you condemn yourself.
At least those of us who KNOW that we have not 'attained' to righteousness or have any hope at all outside of the finished work of Christ will die in faith...Faith in the mercy and grace of a loving Father...but, what you end will be, I have no idea...but you'd better get on with "working" your way to salvation before you kick off...after all you believe ..break one law, and by your own book...you break them all... ..you'd better get working my friend...the end comes fast.

Because I teach obedience to the commands of God, humility by selling your possessions, good works by giving to the poor, and the wrath that is soon to come at the second coming of Jesus Christ? Ohhh okay, well you continue on in whatever fables you've deceived yourself into believing, that you have no need to do good works after believing, nor even obey the Law of God, and we'll concern ourselves with actually obeying and serving the Lord reflecting our belief. There's a reason why your churches are full of sexual immorality and greedy men, because you have deceived yourselves into thinking that the gospel is a message of mere belief without deeds, nor necessity of obedience to commands of God, as if Jesus Christ died on the cross to permit you to disobey.

 

[christiang]

there is no fear in love

and i wish you the best in your knowing, ok. Be sure in your own mind.
(a little Scriptural humor there for ya lol, as explained by other Scripture)

Yet Jesus Christ taught, "fear him...". So which is it, fear him, or don't fear him? Perhaps you have failed to harmonize both these scriptures, where fear of God leads to obedience to God which leads to love of God, which will then drive out all fear of anyone else who are not able to destroy body and soul.

 

[KBCid]

Well . I choose to disagree.
Believing that man CAN attain to perfection is denying the whole reason that Jesus paid the price that he paid!! Why bother if man could do it himself.

You can disagree... it is your God given right of free will to so be.
No where at any time or in any place or by any intent on my part do I ever say that man can attain a sinless life / perfection on their own. I do however specifically state that with the HS help / guidance that men can attain a state of perfection. Thus it is God with us that empowers us to be capable of overcoming sin.

Do you not also believe that with God on our side helping us that we can be all that they ask us to be?
It has always been man's foolish concept that he can do what is expected on his own that causes the failure to occur.
I would also note that Christ paid the price for PAST sins....
When we ask for forgiveness and repent it is our PAST sins that are forgiven and removed and not our future sins. If Jesus sacrifice had paid for all our sins on the cross, then we would be born forgiven and saved.

 

[christiang]

hey, got a date for me here, or what, cg? As to the "prophets who say 'peace'" thing, you might read the post above, @ "dissolved." I am not at all telling you "peace" ok, i am assured that what you fear most will come upon you. Your worst nightmares are all going to come true for you, CG. Same as for me. If you fear something, anything, enough, it will come true.

And the Good News? When you get that, what the Good News is, i don't know for sure, but experience and listening tell me that your life is going to melt like hot wax, when that happens. And it does not, ever, happen at Profession, that i am aware of, someone pls correct me if i am wrong. Not that i don't have a measure of peace now that i did not have before, because i do, but i guess one has to realize Armageddon first. So no, i am not crying peace at all ok, i am telling you "count the cost" if anything.

Because where you are right now is a much more...comfortable place, ok.

The second coming will be a snare for this who are perishing, but it will be salvation to those who saved. I hope that you come to the true knowledge of Jesus Christ that you may not be destroyed by the wrath that is coming.

 

[Helen]

@christiang

Because I teach obedience to the commands of God, humility by selling your possessions, good works by giving to the poor, and the wrath that is soon to come at the second coming of Jesus Christ? Ohhh okay, well you continue on in whatever fables you've deceived yourself into believing, that you have no need to do good works after believing, nor even obey the Law of God, and we'll concern ourselves with actually obeying and serving the Lord reflecting our belief. There's a reason why your churches are full of sexual immorality and greedy men, because you have deceived yourselves into thinking that the gospel is a message of mere belief without deeds.

Haha! that is rich.

Your posts come through to us without any vestige of humility and devoid of any christlike traits...hardly living the .."If you have seen me you have seen the Father.."
Good luck on trying to attain....How's it been working for you thus far....any closer to perfection yet?
Get ready to be disillusioned.
And, by the way...they aren't "my churches" I shook any 'church' as dust from my feet, long ago.

 

[christiang]

@christiang Haha! that is rich.

Your posts come through to us without any vestige of humility and devoid of any christlike traits...hardly living the .."If you have seen me you have seen the Father.."
Good luck on trying to attain....How's it been working for you thus far....any closer to perfection yet?
Get ready to be disillusioned.
And, by the way...they aren't "my churches" I shook any 'church' as dust from my feet, long ago.

Oh, are you doing good works and living in service of those in need as Paul taught? Are you obedient to the commands of God giving in the Law of Moses as Jesus Christ taught? Have you humbled yourself as Jesus Christ taught, "sell your possessions"? You say I am "hardly living", yet I am the one teaching exactly what is taught in scripture, so it brings to question, what ARE YOU living, since you are berating me for teaching exactly what is taught by Jesus Christ and the apostles?

 

[Helen]

I would also note that Christ paid the price for PAST sins....
When we ask for forgiveness and repent it is our PAST sins that are forgiven and removed and not our future sins. If Jesus had sacrifice paid for all our sins on the cross, then we would be born forgiven and saved.

Well in fact I DO!!

Scripture shows that we can be "blotted out" of the Lambs book of life...
Therefore all are first in...
Even Moses knew that there was "a Book"
Ex 32:32 "Yet now, if you will forgive their sin....; and if not, blot me, I pray you, out of Your book which you have written."

 

[bbyrd009]

Yet Jesus Christ taught, "fear him...". So which is it, fear him, or don't fear him?

well, we have Job for this imo, but briefly i would just say that "fear" there can be translated other ways, as Job found out.

 

[bbyrd009]

Yet Jesus Christ taught, "fear him...". So which is it, fear him, or don't fear him? Perhaps you have failed to harmonize both these scriptures, where fear of God leads to obedience to God which leads to love of God, which will then drive out all fear of anyone else who are not able to destroy body and soul.

that is a great initial perspective, and there is nothing wrong with it, as far as it goes imo. But Christ also said "love drives out fear," and "there is no fear in love." So maybe we both have some more assimilating to do

and perhaps i have, i guess we'll see, but i would at least do some work to open your mind to some possibilities that are currently unavailable to you. Not to change the subject there lol, sorry, but see, it is not me coming here with the fear-mongering, which i can only tell you is not of God