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Therefore when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, “It is finished!” And He bowed His head and gave up His spirit.”” (John 19:30)
Jesus said in John 4:34, “… My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to accomplish His work.”
Then He says in John 17:4, “I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.”
Paul tells us in Galatians 3:13, ““Christ redeemed us from the curse of the Law, having become a curse for us – for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree.””
Faithful to the end, Jesus fulfilled the will of the Father which was to be the sacrifice for mankind’s sin, and accept our judgment upon Himself.
The plan of redemption was finalized at the cross. Jesus said, “It is finished,” meaning His work was finished. He would be buried and three days later, He would rise from the grave as He prophesied. Now, any person can come to Him in simple child-like faith and be redeemed (saved) from sin and its judgment.
The Greek word “teleo” is translated, “It is finished.” This same word has been found on papyri receipts as proof the tax debt has been “paid in full.”
Wouldn’t it be interesting to wake up one morning and find that everywhere you went you would be told, “Everything has been paid in full, so you owe nothing?”
You go to purchase a car. You pick the one you want. You prepare to sign the paperwork, but are told, “That’s not necessary. It’s yours. It’s paid in full.”
You go out to eat and aren’t even allowed to leave a tip. Everything has been paid in full, including the tip.
You never receive an electric bill, or water/sewer bill. They just send you a receipt each month showing it as paid in full.
You go to your favorite sports event or maybe a movie, and everything is paid in full, even the popcorn and drink.
That is exactly what Jesus has done for all who will come to Him to be saved. All He asks of us is to believe, to trust Him. Does that mean we just believe that He is? No. The demons believe that much.
“You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.” (James 2:19)
We must recognize and admit we are a sinner; that He died and paid the penalty for our sins; through Him alone our sins are paid and we are a child of the Father once we trust Him at His Word. All of this will immediately and simultaneously be evident with true belief in Jesus Christ.
Why do so many keep wanting to work for something they can never pay? Jesus became the provision for our payment of sin. God will never accept our work. He will only accept the work of His Son. To suggest otherwise is to insult a holy God and reject His free offer of grace.
Is work ever involved? Absolutely work is involved, but only after we are saved through Him. The only work God will ever accept for salvation is that which came through Jesus Christ. Once we belong to Him, the Holy Spirit will indwell us and then we then can work for our Lord.
If we can’t work to get saved, why do we work after we’re saved? Is it to pay off our debt? The answer is a resounding “No!” The Lord Jesus Christ saves us by His grace and He keeps us by His grace. So why do we work as a believer? We work as a believer because we are His child and want to honor our Savior. We work as a believer out of gratitude because of His great mercy He has shown us. Most importantly, the Spirit of God works within us helping us grow as a Christian.
“Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose.” (Philippians 2:12-13)
“And we all, who with unveiled faces contemplate the Lord’s glory, are being transformed into his image with ever-increasing glory, which comes from the Lord, who is the Spirit.” (2 Corinthians 3:18)
On this earth, we may be the poorest person on the city streets, or in the valleys of the mountains, but in our home Jesus has built for us in Heaven we are co-heirs with Jesus Christ in the kingdom of God. We are a child of the living God; princes and princesses in the royal Heavenly family.
On this earth, you may be a reject of society, but if you know Jesus Christ as your Savior and Lord you will be clothed in white robes in Heaven and judge angels. You will ride on the backs of white horses alongside Jesus when He comes to judge the world at the end of the Tribulation. You will reign with Him in the Millennium and spend eternity with Him in the Father’s house. You will live in eternity with never a want and where sin is no more. You will see God face to face and experience the love that emanates from Him.
Yes, “It is finished.” Jesus accomplished all the Father gave Him to do. It is, “Paid in full.” There is nothing we can add. To even try is an insult.
 

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"It is finished" refers to Christ's work.... His earthly ministry was finished, He fulfilled the OT prophecies about Him, in carrying out the work the Father gave him to do including going to the cross.

Man still has work to do..."And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Man's obedience does not add to what Christ did but is required by what Christ did in accepting what Christ did for man.
 

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"It is finished" refers to Christ's work.... His earthly ministry was finished, He fulfilled the OT prophecies about Him, in carrying out the work the Father gave him to do including going to the cross.

Man still has work to do..."And being made perfect, he became the author of eternal salvation unto all them that obey him;" Man's obedience does not add to what Christ did but is required by what Christ did in accepting what Christ did for man.
Absolutely! Jesus overcame the world of his own temptations as a man, but we, each one of us, had now been provided all that is needed to do that same thing in and for ourselves. If we do not properly use what has been provided it is our fault alone.

"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48

What have we been given? What are we doing with what we have been given?
 

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What verse in the Bible says obeying what Christ says is adding to what Christ did? Christ never said salvation was unconditional therefore can never be lost.

Ernest, the term "lost" in scripture is referring to nonbelievers who never came to faith in Jesus Christ.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

God bles
 
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Ernest, the term "lost" in scripture is referring to nonbelievers who never came to faith in Jesus Christ.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

God bles
Actually though, weren't all of the adult children of Israel saved out of Egypt while only two of them made it on into the Promised Land? Why do we presume that God is a respecter of persons? Those in the OT were lost after being saved but this cannot happen in the NT? God never changes and has never been a respecter of persons. That which was an abomination to Him then is still an abomination to Him now.

"These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Prov 24:23

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34
 

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Actually though, weren't all of the adult children of Israel saved out of Egypt while only two of them made it on into the Promised Land? Why do we presume that God is a respecter of persons? Those in the OT were lost after being saved but this cannot happen in the NT? God never changes and has never been a respecter of persons. That which was an abomination to Him then is still an abomination to Him now.

"These things also belong to the wise. It is not good to have respect of persons in judgment." Prov 24:23

"Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:" Acts 10:34

That's right. God help us if Christ didn't come down, walk the earth for 33 years and die a horrible death, and for what ? to become the savior of humanity?

Gen 6:5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

once you are found in Christ you are never lost. now thats a loving God - Heb
 

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That's right. God help us if Christ didn't come down, walk the earth for 33 years and die a horrible death, and for what ? to become the savior of humanity?

Gen 6:5 The LORD saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time.

once you are found in Christ you are never lost. now thats a loving God - Heb
I think that you misunderstood my post.
 

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Ernest, the term "lost" in scripture is referring to nonbelievers who never came to faith in Jesus Christ.

John 6:39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all those he has given me, but raise them up at the last day.

God bles
The ones God gives to Christ are the ones that CONDITIONAL "cometh" to Christ and "believeth" (John 6:35). Both verbs "cometh" and "believeth" being in the present tense showing those that continue to come and believe in Christ will not be cast out, not be lost. Judas was one given to Christ by God, but Judas did not continually "come" or "believe" therefore was lost (John 17:6-12).

But you have yet to show the verse that says obeying Christ's will is adding to what He did on the cross.
 

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The ones God gives to Christ are the ones that CONDITIONAL "cometh" to Christ and "believeth" (John 6:35). Both verbs "cometh" and "believeth" being in the present tense showing those that continue to come and believe in Christ will not be cast out, not be lost. Judas was one given to Christ by God, but Judas did not continually "come" or "believe" therefore was lost (John 17:6-12).

But you have yet to show the verse that says obeying Christ's will is adding to what He did on the cross.
Even so and why is then that people, who have come and have believed, hunger and thirst again? It is because they do not keep coming to and believing in Christ. Salvation for men is not a one time occurrence, but a continuing thing based on what we have done and are doing with what God has provided for us through Jesus. We must keep believing in and coming to him again until our time here is finished. Then will our work be finished as his work was finished. He made it possible and He will help us, but we must participate actively in the process. For this also the Holy Ghost was sent.
 

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Even so and why is then that people, who have come and have believed, hunger and thirst again? It is because they do not keep coming to and believing in Christ. Salvation for men is not a one time occurrence, but a continuing thing based on what we have done and are doing with what God has provided for us through Jesus. We must keep believing in and coming to him again until our time here is finished. Then will our work be finished as his work was finished. He made it possible and He will help us, but we must participate actively in the process. For this also the Holy Ghost was sent.
The man made idea of OSAS claim men can quit coming and quit believing yet some how still be saved/not cast out.

"You and I are not saved because we have enduring faith, we are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord. (page 78)" Charles Stanley Eternal Security: Can You be Sure? (my emp)

Charles Stanley does not like the Greek present tense and will attack it. Abraham was not justified at one moment in time by faith only but his justification was a process beginning in Gen 12 thru Genesis 22:12.

"Faith does not save a person, everyone has experienced faith at some point or another. Yet not everyone will spend eternity in heaven. God's grace is what saves us. (page 76)"

"The Bible clearly teaches that God's love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand. (page 74)"

As antithetical Stanley's statements are to the Bible, people eat his words up for they like the false notion that salvation is an unconditional, unaccountable easy convenience and not something that must conditionally be striven for (Luke 13:24).





 

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The man made idea of OSAS claim men can quit coming and quit believing yet some how still be saved/not cast out.

"You and I are not saved because we have enduring faith, we are saved because at a moment in time we expressed faith in our enduring Lord. (page 78)" Charles Stanley Eternal Security: Can You be Sure? (my emp)

Charles Stanley does not like the Greek present tense and will attack it. Abraham was not justified at one moment in time by faith only but his justification was a process beginning in Gen 12 thru Genesis 22:12.

"Faith does not save a person, everyone has experienced faith at some point or another. Yet not everyone will spend eternity in heaven. God's grace is what saves us. (page 76)"

"The Bible clearly teaches that God's love for His people is of such magnitude that even those who walk away from the faith have not the slightest chance of slipping from His hand. (page 74)"

As antithetical Stanley's statements are to the Bible, people eat his words up for they like the false notion that salvation is an unconditional, unaccountable easy convenience and not something that must conditionally be striven for (Luke 13:24).




People like to be promised the benefits of God without having to give up anything they don't want to give up. Some people immersed in the OSAS doctrine who I know or have known really work hard to serve God and do things right, but some others have sat back as if in their "easy chairs" to enjoy the things of this world as if it was all that there was.

One man many years ago on another forum was a zealous advocate of that doctrine and would purposely lie or start rumours about people who did not and would not embrace the doctrine. I had seen him do that to others on the forum and after engaging me once in discussion he started doing it to me. I was a bit more of the world then myself and struck back at him [not with lies] at him for his attacks. I won't say more, but that experience has helped me to learn about really turning the other cheek.

In any case it is not really a done deal until we have overcome all that stands between us and God. I have only met one person who appeared as if he might have done that already, but I certainly did not see all of his heart.

Give God the glory!
 

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People like to be promised the benefits of God without having to give up anything they don't want to give up.

...and why OSAS is sometimes referred to as 'cheap grace'.

amadeus said:
Some people immersed in the OSAS doctrine who I know or have known really work hard to serve God and do things right, but some others have sat back as if in their "easy chairs" to enjoy the things of this world as if it was all that there was.

One man many years ago on another forum was a zealous advocate of that doctrine and would purposely lie or start rumours about people who did not and would not embrace the doctrine. I had seen him do that to others on the forum and after engaging me once in discussion he started doing it to me. I was a bit more of the world then myself and struck back at him [not with lies] at him for his attacks. I won't say more, but that experience has helped me to learn about really turning the other cheek.

In any case it is not really a done deal until we have overcome all that stands between us and God. I have only met one person who appeared as if he might have done that already, but I certainly did not see all of his heart.

Give God the glory!

Two supposed "proof text" for OSAS are 1 Cor 3:9-17 and 1 John 2:19.

I am curious from those that support OSAS, if one who is a Christian goes about telling lies, does his sinning prove he was never really saved to begin with per 1 John 2:19 or will he be saved anyway but his sinful work will be burned per 1 Corinthians 3:9-17?
 

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Is work ever involved? Absolutely work is involved, but only after we are saved through Him. The only work God will ever accept for salvation is that which came through Jesus Christ.
"works meet for repentance," yes.

to use a really bad translation

but it should be obvious that "professing belief" is not "works consistent with rebound"
 

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...and why OSAS is sometimes referred to as 'cheap grace'.

Two supposed "proof text" for OSAS are 1 Cor 3:9-17 and 1 John 2:19.

I am curious from those that support OSAS, if one who is a Christian goes about telling lies, does his sinning prove he was never really saved to begin with per 1 John 2:19 or will he be saved anyway but his sinful work will be burned per 1 Corinthians 3:9-17?

Consider also this tale of Simon with regard to this OSAS for he was named a baptized believer, but then it was determined later that he needed to repent:

"Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.
Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John:
Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost:
(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.
And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money,
Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.
But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money.
Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee.
For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity.
Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the Lord for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me." Acts 8:13-24
 
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Actually though, weren't all of the adult children of Israel saved out of Egypt while only two of them made it on into the Promised Land? Why do we presume that God is a respecter of persons? Those in the OT were lost after being saved but this cannot happen in the NT? God never changes and has never been a respecter of persons. That which was an abomination to Him then is still an abomination to Him now.

Re BOLD...
That depends if you believe that 'your lost' is the kind of lost where they went to hell!!!
So do you really believe that when Achan sinned by taking and hiding the Babalonish garment...Josh 7
19 And Joshua said unto Achan, My son, give, I pray thee, glory to the Lord God of Israel, and make confession unto him; and tell me now what thou hast done; hide it not from me.
20 And Achan answered Joshua, and said, Indeed I have sinned against the LordGod of Israel,"
24 And Joshua, and all Israel, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
25 And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the Lord shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones, and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.
26 And they raised over him a great heap of stones unto this day. So the Lord turned from the fierceness of his anger. Wherefore the name of that place was called, The valley of Achor, unto this day."

So John, do you really believe that he , his kids wife, all went to hell???

So you must be a believer is :- Punishment now, and more punishment later at the great white throne!!

Personally I believe the Children of Israel perished from this life...and were not allowed to enter into the promised land.
I can't see how "not entering the promised land" = hell fire!! :eek:

Blessings...H ;)
 
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that continue to come and believe in Christ will not be cast out, not be lost.

Ernest, how do we stop believing when we've been sealed until redemption? Eph 1:13-14

Judas was one given to Christ by God, but Judas did not continually "come" or "believe" therefore was lost (John 17:6-12).

Judas died before Pentecost and before the seal of God was placed on believers.

But you have yet to show the verse that says obeying Christ's will is adding to what He did on the cross.

It's only adding to the cross if you believe that God sends believers to hell because of disobedience. Do you believe that, or do you believe God disciplines and sanctifies His children when they're disobedient?