Has The Falling Away Of The Church Happened?

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Yes I believe the apostasy of the church and the falling away has happened and this is very important !! because it is the end of the line! of the age of grace!!And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus gives them many things from wars and love wax cold to like in Noahs days but He said the end is not yet for the age of grace to end {THE CHURCH AGE} but then he said some thing very intro that when it will end!!>>Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Can you follow the dots?? And I believe the falling away of the church has happened and the true remnant church {The Bride Of Christ} is about to leave!
 

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The strong hold of the church has come so apostate so delusional, they make their own bibles, make their own Gods, Make their own Christs make their own salvations and make up their own world! these are so called Christians and not the seculars!!
the pope had said atheists can go to heaven even if they don’t believe in God!
Well, now he has clarified it. Now he says as long as everyone goes with their own idea of good and evil – we’ll all be fine. The so called church at its finest! Are You Rapture Ready!
 

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Yes I believe the apostasy of the church and the falling away has happened and this is very important !! because it is the end of the line! of the age of grace!!And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? Jesus gives them many things from wars and love wax cold to like in Noahs days but He said the end is not yet for the age of grace to end {THE CHURCH AGE} but then he said some thing very intro that when it will end!!>>Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
Can you follow the dots?? And I believe the falling away of the church has happened and the true remnant church {The Bride Of Christ} is about to leave!
You've paraphrased to mix some of Jesus' comments together with some of Paul's...not that it greatly matters. The point is the same.

But the great "falling away" that Paul spoke of refers to the fall of all mankind...which takes all of history to play itself out. His point was...that, not to worry, we cannot possibly miss it...because it includes our own great fall also, and therefore, we too shall see His coming in our own lifetime. We shall see it - because everyone will see it. But just as Paul also explained, we will all see it "each in his own order", meaning, each in his own time. Which - if you will consider it...is the only way, "every eye will see" it.
 

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and that as you see it but not what the bible says >>that's apostasy and making your own gospel!!>> “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-11). I luv mans adds>>> what does the bible really say ?? not you this that and everything in the sink!>>But just as Paul also explained, we will all see it "each in his own order", meaning, each in his own time. Which - if you will consider it...is the only way, "every eye will see" it. We are not talking about add ons and then paul said this!!>> has nothing to do with anything other then you want to add some junk! Enjoy PS>> for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed>>thats what the tnread is!!
 
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I just luv people that say I should respond MMMMM >> I put this out>> for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, O but people want to talk about this and that and that and this and o by the way I'm going to talk about paul said this and has nothing too with that! Has the church fallen away >> well the treading gets better and better to me I am right!
 

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But the great "falling away" that Paul spoke of refers to the fall of all mankind>>That's Garbage. and he rambles on>>we too shall see His coming in our own lifetime.What does that mean??? Just mans words!>>>We shall see it - because everyone will see it.???? But just as Paul also explained, we will all see it "each in his own order", meaning, each in his own time. Which - if you will consider it...is the only way, "every eye will see" it.???? What is person talking about? Yes The falling away has happened
 

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The "man is sin" will also "be revealed" (made know to all) at that time, so, not yet!
 
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When Jesus established Christianity that went into operation on the day of Pentecost 33 C.E, he knew that it's pure teachings would be corrupted, that it would eventually become apostate.(Note: the word "apostate" comes from the Greek word apostasia meaning literally "to stand away from" or a 'standing away ' from "the truth" [see John 8:37 whereby Jesus told Pilate that he came to "bear witness to the truth"] and has the sense of "desertion, abandonment or rebellion")

At Matthew 13, Jesus gave an illustration that explained what would happen. Starting with verse 24, Jesus said: "The Kingdom of the heavens (upon which true Christianity has its foundation) may be likened to a man who sowed fine seed in his field".

Right after Jesus baptism in 29 C.E., he (as the "man who sowed fine seed") began forming what would later be called the Christian congregation.(John 1:35-51; see also Matt 16:18 in which Jesus said that he would build his "congregation" upon himself as the "rock")
Jesus continues with his illustration, saying: "While men were sleeping, his enemy came and oversowed weeds in among the wheat and left".(Matt 13:25) Who are the "men" that were eventually "sleeping" ? These are the apostles and other faithful men who took the lead in keeping the Christian congregation clean from apostasy.

The apostle Paul pointed to the body of apostles as acting as a "restraint" to the incoming apostasy, saying: "And you know what is acting as a restraint, so that he (the "man of lawlessness") will be revealed in his own due time. True, the mystery of this lawlessness (or eventual clergy class of Christendom) is already at work (trying to gain ground by putting individuals on a religious pedestal that gained a real starting foothold around 110 C.E. through Ignatius, who said that there is a difference of authority between an "overseer" or "bishop" [Greek episkopos] and "elder" [Greek presbyteros meaning "older man"], with the "bishop" having more authority, though both terms are the same position within the Christian congregation) but only until the one who is right now acting as a restraint (the apostles stood firm against the tide apostasy) is out of the way (or has died)".(2 Thess 2:6, 7)

Who first "oversowed weeds (or counterfeit Christians, Matt 13:38b) in among the wheat (or genuine Christians, Matt 13:38a)" ? Jesus said "an enemy", or Satan the Devil.(Matt 13:39) Though apostasy was at work when the apostles were alive, it was restrained by them.

However, "while men were sleeping" or after all the apostles had died (John was the last one in about 100 C.E.), apostasy began to flourish, with such ones as the "Apostolic Fathers" as well as the other "Church Fathers" each adding their own twist to the apostasy.

Jesus now says that "when the stalk (of wheat or genuine Christians) sprouted and produced fruit (or conduct befitting a true Christian such as stripping off the "old personality" and putting on the "new personality" [Col 3:9, 10] that involves witnessing to others about God's Kingdom [Matt 24:14] as well as being "no part of the world" [John 15:19] that is composed of three main elements, the religions of the world called Babylon the Great [Rev 17:5], the political arena [John 6:15] with its military [2 Cor 10:3, 4], and greedy commerce [Rev 18:11]), then the weeds also appeared".(Matt 13:26; see Gal 1:6-9 whereby in about 50 C.E., Paul is deeply concerned that the Galatian Christians were allowing ' certain ones to teach another good news ' beside what they heard from Paul, saying that these ones should be "accursed", showing that apostasy was already working its way into the congregation)

Jesus next describes how the "slaves of the master" (or loyal Christians) felt about such action, that someone wicked would purposely oversow weeds in among genuine wheat, saying: "So the slaves of the master of the house came and said to him, ' Master, did you not sow fine seed in your field ? How, then, does it have weeds ?"(Matt 13:27)

Jesus (as the "man" and "master") now says: "He said to them, ' An enemy, a man, did this'. The slaves said to him, ' Do you want us, then, to go out and collect them ?" He said, ' No, for fear that while collecting the weeds, you uproot the wheat with them. Let both grow until the harvest, and in the harvest season, I will tell the reapers: First collect the weeds (fake Christians) and bind them up; then gather the wheat (genuine Christians) into my storehouse".(Matt 13:28-30)

When the apostasy was in its infancy, it was difficult to distinguish those who were deviating from true Christianity. But over the last 2,000 years whereby we are now in the "harvest season", it has become very evident who are the "genuine article" and who are the "pretenders".

Genuine Christians are busy preaching "the good news of the Kingdom" (Matt 24:14), making disciples (Matt 28:19, 20), while being "no part of the world".(John 17:16) The apostle Paul wrote: "For with the heart one exercises faith for righteousness, but with the mouth one makes public declaration for salvation.....For "everyone who calls on the name of Jehovah will be saved".(Rom 10:10,13)

True Christians exercises faith for righteousness, but this is not enough for salvation. Witnessing to others about God's Kingdom and calling on Jehovah God in unhypocritical faith is absolute necessary.(1 Tim 1:5) The churches of Christendom have failed to do what is required, putting on a front of piousness with their religious titles such as "Father", "Reverend", "Right Reverend", Monsignor (meaning "my lord"), Pope (meaning "papa"), Cardinal, abbott, etc.

Soon, though, in this "conclusion of the system of things", is the approaching destruction of "the weeds", in which the angels will gather them up and be "burned with fire".(Matt 13:40) Only those loyal to Jehovah God will be left standing when "the dust has settled".
 
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Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition
this should be understood in light of who the "two men in a bed" are, imo. Iow the "man of sin" is a description of me, not some theoretical future literal person, perhaps
 

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And I believe the falling away of the church has happened and the true remnant church {The Bride Of Christ} is about to leave!
hold to that belief as long as it serves you, but understand that we are called to (spiritually) "leave the world" anyway, and see how these might get confused. The bride is supposed to be building an edifice on a firm foundation, not waiting for a literal mass exodus tomorrow, iow. Give no thought for the morrow; there is enough in today for you already.

Which might be the best illustration of a "church, falling away" that one might envision anyway, right
 
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and hopefully it is obvious that the only alternative is for you to do what I think is best; if you are not going by what you think is best, right? Regardless of your justifications for that, which of course we all share. I could go on at length about all your shortcomings, and how you need to believe like i do, see; i could quote Scripture and everything, in support of my interpretations, all that. Wouldn't make me right though lol
 

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and that as you see it but not what the bible says >>that's apostasy and making your own gospel!!>> “The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie” (2 Thessalonians 2:9-11). I luv mans adds>>> what does the bible really say ?? not you this that and everything in the sink!>>But just as Paul also explained, we will all see it "each in his own order", meaning, each in his own time. Which - if you will consider it...is the only way, "every eye will see" it. We are not talking about add ons and then paul said this!!>> has nothing to do with anything other then you want to add some junk! Enjoy PS>> for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed>>thats what the tnread is!!
First...you should really use the "Reply" feature so people know when you have replied.

"That man of sin" being "revealed", is the manifestation of all people who have sinned - for all time...the children of the first Adam.

What the scriptures say is "spirit" "confounded" by God Himself at the tower of Babel. I have declared their meaning to you in plain language.
 
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and from a perspective of fruit, he is surely correct. "Atheist" is a label that i doubt God pays much attention to, wadr.
The Good Samaritan was an "atheist," right.
One must believe. This is the seed of God that was sown.

Jesus explained that those who do not belong to God have their reward here and now, which is this world, and not of the kingdom.
 

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First...you should really use the "Reply" feature so people know when you have replied.

"That man of sin" being "revealed", is the manifestation of all people who have sinned - for all time...the children of the first Adam.

What the scriptures say is "spirit" "confounded" by God Himself at the tower of Babel. I have declared their meaning to you in plain language.
and i guess i even witnessed for that perspective too, without noticing til just now; but regardless, he is not required to believe that, i don't think. His interp was plain language, too! :)
 
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one must believe...what? What belief does the Good Samaritan lack, to make him acceptable to you?
The good Samaritan was acting as a good "neighbor"...which all people should do. But in terms of salvation, escaping the fallen finite world, one must believe in God, that He can save...and then He will. But it is not me, but God who knows the heart of all people, whether they do good before God, or merely before men. This is the mark of those who are of God, and those who are not. Nonetheless, life in the world is a gift to all, wherein we should indeed be good to one another.
 
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