Exposing lies of all denominations, Pope Francis. Who is Mary? First of many threads!

[mjrhealth]

You or the Bible?

You could just believe Jesus. And teher is no "lone rangers" in Gods Kingdom, when one is in Christ we are all united by the Spirit. We never walk alone, cept by the flesh cause Christ is always with us, as is the Holy Spirit the seed of God in us, and God is always looking over us. And how can those who are in be divided when they are united in one cause, to see Him glorified in there lives, Nothing else matters.

 

[Stranger]

So it is your belief that I am an immature christian.

Ephesians 4
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers,


You believe that every mature christian is either an apostle, a prophet, an evangelist, pastor or teacher. Which of these positions do you hold?

Pardon me if I don't accept your interpretation.


1 Corinthians 3
3 And I, brethren, could not speak to you as to spiritual people but as to carnal, as to babes in Christ.
2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able;
3 for you are still carnal. For where there are envy, strife, and divisions among you, are you not carnal and behaving like mere men?
4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?



This passage actually speaks against what you are promoting. Denominations.





You have no idea what I've accomplished on my journey. You assume that it's nothing because I'm not like you. What my experience proves to me is that I don't need to belong to a group of people who call themselves Baptists, Lutherans, Catholics or Mormons, etc...

The bible is crystal clear on what causes divisions among the brethren.


1 Corinthians 1
10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment.


How can this be accomplished through denominations? Just because Jesus is preached from the pulpits of all these different churches doesn't mean they are all preaching the same thing.


2 Corinthians 11
14 And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light.
15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.



I have a question. Do you accept all doctrines regardless of the denomination?

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It is my belief, which I believe is supported in Scripture, that one cannot come to the level of maturity that God desires when they separate themselves from other Christians.

Those gifts listed in (Eph. 4:11) are leadership gifts given to certain believers for the perfecting or maturing of the other saints in an assembly of believers. (Eph. 4:12) "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:"

Actually, (1 Cor. 3) is not addressing denominations. This was one body of believers at Corinth. They were not leaving the Church at Corinth. Paul is not addressing false doctrine here. He is addressing divisions being created due to envy, and strife. There were cliques formed around certain individuals in the Church. Whether these were centered around people such as Paul, or Peter, or Apollos, or even Christ, such cliques were wrong. (1 Cor. 1:12) Oh yes, one can say 'I am of Christ' and be wrong when he is saying it in such a way to exclude others from his group.

You say I am 'promoting' denominations. But with you and others, it is not so much that I am promoting denominations as I am encouraging believers to be a part of a local body of believers. We cannot get away from denominations which are most always developed due to doctrinal differences.

I didn't say you accomplished nothing. I said your experience proves nothing as to what God might have done if you were part of a local body of believers.

Concerning (1 Cor. 1:10-13), it is not about false doctrine or doctrine period. And, as I said earlier, it is not about denominations. Paul is speaking to those in one assembly. It is about forming cliques in the Church saying I am more spiritual or more of a believer because I like this individual more, such as Paul, or Peter, or even Christ. To speak the same thing does not mean that all have the exact same opinion about everything. It means we, because we have the mind of Christ, (1 Cor. 2:16), see other members of the Body of Christ as just that, members of the Body. We give room to what they are saying when they don't see things exactly the same.

Of course I don't accept all doctrines of various denominations. But doctrine, more specifically false doctrine, is not being addressed here. And only one body of believers is being addressed, not several.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

You could just believe Jesus. And teher is no "lone rangers" in Gods Kingdom, when one is in Christ we are all united by the Spirit. We never walk alone, cept by the flesh cause Christ is always with us, as is the Holy Spirit the seed of God in us, and God is always looking over us. And how can those who are in be divided when they are united in one cause, to see Him glorified in there lives, Nothing else matters.

Then there are those who claim they follow only Christ.

(1 Cor. 1:12) "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas;and I of Christ."

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

Christ has the authority to call out heresy. If you know the Words of Christ you recognize heretical teachings. And before I go further what denomination are you part of and what are your beliefs?

I just read the O.P.

You're very brave to take on so many wrong statements!

One should know every denomination before making such silly statements about the CC or any other church.

Good luck! I haven't been following along...

 

[GodsGrace]

Then there are those who claim they follow only Christ.

(1 Cor. 1:12) "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas;and I of Christ."

Stranger

Yes. And finally I understand why!

It's because Paul is so misquoted that the only refuge is to go to Jesus only.

Sometimes I think Paul hung on that cross.
Aside from the fact that his sayings are so difficult at times and they are taken to mean what one wants them to mean.

 

[GodsGrace]

Just got here.
I attended a Nazarene church for many years.
What heretical teaching do you believe THEY have?

 

[mjrhealth]

(1 Cor. 1:12) "Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas;and I of Christ."

those are they who are divided by religion we know them by there works, those who follow after Christ can not follow after man, because the truth is in Him.

 

[Stranger]

Yes. And finally I understand why!

It's because Paul is so misquoted that the only refuge is to go to Jesus only.

Sometimes I think Paul hung on that cross.
Aside from the fact that his sayings are so difficult at times and they are taken to mean what one wants them to mean.

Do you?

Perhaps Paul is not misquoted. Perhaps you just disagree with him.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

those are they who are divided by religion we know them by there works, those who follow after Christ can not follow after man, because the truth is in Him.

(1 Cor. 1:12) "everyone of you saith...I of Christ."

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Just got here.
I attended a Nazarene church for many years.
What heretical teaching do you believe THEY have?

I spoke once to a man who was a Nazarene. The only difference I saw between us was the loss of salvation possibility. There may be other things I question but I am not aware of them.

Stranger

 

[Job]

It is my belief, which I believe is supported in Scripture, that one cannot come to the level of maturity that God desires when they separate themselves from other Christians.

Would you mind posting the scripture that states a believer will never achieve maturity in the word unless he belongs to a group of other believers?

Actually, (1 Cor. 3) is not addressing denominations.... He is addressing divisions....

What do you think denominations are? Divisions.

This was one body of believers at Corinth....Paul is speaking to those in one assembly.

I've heard this argument before. "This doesn't apply to me because so & so is addressing so & so". This argument relieves the reader of any responsibility pertaining to that specific message. "I don't have to adhere to this or that because that teaching or warning only applies to those people at that time. Not us".

If that's how the scriptures are meant to be interpreted, then nothing in the scriptures pertain to us because none of us were there.

I didn't say you accomplished nothing. I said your experience proves nothing as to what God might have done if you were part of a local body of believers.

What God might have done. That's nothing more than a What if. Our lives are filled with what ifs. Every decision we make is a what if. What if I did this instead of that? What if I went left instead of right? What if I never joined the military? What ifs are a distraction I choose to live without. They undermine your decisions and eat away at your confidence. They instill doubt and uncertainty.

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[mjrhealth]

(1 Cor. 1:12) "everyone of you saith...I of Christ."

Stranger

Arnt you?? or are you going to be a stranger to Him...

 

[Stranger]

You could just believe Jesus. And teher is no "lone rangers" in Gods Kingdom, when one is in Christ we are all united by the Spirit. We never walk alone, cept by the flesh cause Christ is always with us, as is the Holy Spirit the seed of God in us, and God is always looking over us. And how can those who are in be divided when they are united in one cause, to see Him glorified in there lives, Nothing else matters.

(1 Cor. 1:12) "every one of you saith...and I of Christ."

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Arnt you?? or are you going to be a stranger to Him...

I don't use being in Christ as a reason to separate from other believers as you have. As God warns us not to do in (1 Cor. 1:12) "everyone of you saith..and I of Christ."

Don't worry though, that is just another Scripture you can pretend is not the Word of God.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Would you mind posting the scripture that states a believer will never achieve maturity in the word unless he belongs to a group of other believers?





What do you think denominations are? Divisions.





I've heard this argument before. "This doesn't apply to me because so & so is addressing so & so". This argument relieves the reader of any responsibility pertaining to that specific message. "I don't have to adhere to this or that because that teaching or warning only applies to those people at that time. Not us".

If that's how the scriptures are meant to be interpreted, then nothing in the scriptures pertain to us because none of us were there.







What God might have done. That's nothing more than a What if. Our lives are filled with what ifs. Every decision we make is a what if. What if I did this instead of that? What if I went left instead of right? What if I never joined the military? What ifs are a distraction I choose to live without. They undermine your decisions and eat away at your confidence. They instill doubt and uncertainty.

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I gave you Scripture already showing the importance of a believer belonging to a body of believers for the purpose of maturing in the faith.

Concerning (1Cor. 3) when reading what I said in its entirety instead of just piecing it together as you did, the divisions are explained. Denominations are divisions, yes. But Paul is not talking about denominations in (1 Cor.). These in (1Cor.) are people in one assembly, who are not leaving the assembly to create another one. They are guilty of forming cliques around certain individuals.

I never said (1Cor. 3) doesn't apply to me. It most certainly does. I am not to create strife or envy within a local assembly by making or joining any certain group of believers as though they were more Christian than others. But, the issue here is not about denominations.

The 'what God might have done' is based on being rightfully connected to a local body of believers. For that reason I believe it matters. It does no good to pretend we shouldn't be part of a body of believers just because you haven't for so many years.

Stranger

 

[Job]

It does no good to pretend we shouldn't be part of a body of believers just because you haven't for so many years.

I assure you, there is no pretending on my part.

You have a nice day...

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[GodsGrace]

Do you?

Perhaps Paul is not misquoted. Perhaps you just disagree with him.

Stranger

Do I what?
Instead of assuming I disagree with Paul, why don't you ask?
Where did I say I disagree with him???

Paul is misquoted many times and pitted against Jesus, when in reality they agree with each other. Why would Jesus tell Paul to say and write in letters concepts Jesus does not agree with?

 

[GodsGrace]

I spoke once to a man who was a Nazarene. The only difference I saw between us was the loss of salvation possibility. There may be other things I question but I am not aware of them.

Stranger

You're not aware of them because the Nazarene church is the purest church I've run across. Unfortunately there is none near me.

Loss of salvation is biblical. But only if one abandons God.
You need God to be saved, if you leave God, you're not saved and protected by Him anymore.

 

[Job]

Why would Jesus tell Paul to say and write in letters concepts Jesus does not agree with?

I never understood that either.

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[GodsGrace]

I never understood that either.

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You know what Peter said about Paul's writings:


2 Peter 3:16
New International Version
He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Even Peter knew Paul was not easy to understand!
He went on missions to the gentiles, but he was also very good at explaining the New Testament to the Jews who were trying to become Christian and understand all these new ideas.

So Paul used certain terms which are not easy for us to understand today. So some of what he says is taken out of context. This causes friction between Jesus and Paul's teachings, when in reality there were none.

They both believed one had to be born again from above.
They both believed one had to do good deeds and keep away from sinning. But some insist on Paul stating that all we need is faith.
Faith saves all by itself. But they both taught works. If by works we're to understand doing good and not sinning.

There is no difference between them.