The proof of OSAS

[bbyrd009]

Then you must be post-trib

ah, you mean "rapture," post trib? pls lol, what a cluster

 

[bbyrd009]

Hi Rollo,

I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell.

I am just having trouble figuring out at what point I am saved.

IHS...Mary

no kidding

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Hi Rollo,

I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell.

I am just having trouble figuring out at what point I am saved.

Can you tell me how I will know when I have been saved?

IHS...Mary

Hello Mary, the Holy Spirit within you is the answer.
But it's hard to pinpoint it beyond that since we each have a different experience.
I like to say that the Holy Spirit gives each of us what we need to believe and know we are saved.

And your first statement "I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell."
I have never said this and you will never hear me say it.
You are being swayed by other people's interpretation of once saved, always saved.
If you have had some sort of life changing experience and you now know for sure that the Spirit of God dwells within you, then you are saved.
I don't think I can give a better explanation than that.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

i'm not following how not getting an answer from google on what the acronym "rytahs" stands for is synonymous with your judgement of me, sorry. Can you rephrase? ty
and that you will not address this, but instead choose that i already understand, i guess :/

A play on letters
one person said writa
I said rytah
you asked what is rytah
I said you were being blinded to the truth
You jumped right into our game and I then included you

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

ah, you mean "rapture," post trib? pls lol, what a cluster

Who else would cry Lord, Lord but post tribers

 

[bbyrd009]

Who else would cry Lord, Lord but post tribers

who else, indeed. Tribbers, period, imo

 

[GodsGrace]

but no Muslims allowed, right?

bb
You're a smart guy.
Muslims worship a different God.
I like Muslims, as long as they're not following their religion.
If they are - I don't like them.
Not because I'm automatically pre-judicial of them, but because I tend not to like persons that do not like me and, in fact, hate me.

They don't all throw bombs, but they all would like to rule the world.
I don't know what you are, but I like you because I think you're a peaceful fellow. Not all Christians are peaceful.
You see. It works all ways...

 

[GodsGrace]

it's a mess, is what it is, wadr

You've read it?
It's a mess? Most one-man translations are.
I should be getting my copy any day now.

I forget what wadr is.
Do you get charged for each letter you type???!!!

 

[GodsGrace]

i'm not getting a relevant return for this?

It's private.

 

[bbyrd009]

They don't all throw bombs, but they all would like to rule the world.

pls, the Qur'an condemns that, too, same as the Bible.

 

[bbyrd009]

You've read it?

Genesis 1 - MSG Bible - Bible Study Tools

It's a mess?

yes, the symbology is completely destroyed, Rapture is assumed, all kinds of whack

 

[GodsGrace]

hmm, didn't know that, interesting

Sometime, ask me what U2 did at their Innocence Tour.
I was there. Forget where. Turin, I think.

 

[bbyrd009]

I forget what wadr is.
Do you get charged for each letter you type???!!!

with all due respect? funny, i learned that one from...like, every other Christian forum i have ever been on, lol.

and normally i am really busy, today is slower, i could type it out, but just a habit now. i don't even think about other ppls acronyms, as long as i can highlight/search them and the def comes up, my feeling is i have learned something

 

[bbyrd009]

It's private.

ah, i just realized that post was not to me lol

coffee time!

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi Rollo,

I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell.

I am just having trouble figuring out at what point I am saved.

Can you tell me how I will know when I have been saved?

IHS...Mary

Mary,
He's not saying to sin. I don't believe those that believe in eternal security are saying this.

What RT is saying is that he doesn't believe a REAL CHRISTIAN could ever abandon God.

Now, I know I've tried with him. Do you have any proof of a person being saved and then deciding, for whatever reason, to abandon God?
I've tried. I agree with you, BTW.

 

[GodsGrace]

i'm not following how not getting an answer from google on what the acronym "rytahs" stands for is synonymous with your judgement of me, sorry. Can you rephrase? ty
and that you will not address this, but instead choose that i already understand, i guess :/

bb
rytahs.
rytah.
Think the Beatles.
Got anything?
Wryhtah, maybe?

 

[Marymog]

Hello Mary, the Holy Spirit within you is the answer.
But it's hard to pinpoint it beyond that since we each have a different experience.
I like to say that the Holy Spirit gives each of us what we need to believe and know we are saved.

And your first statement "I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell."
I have never said this and you will never hear me say it.
You are being swayed by other people's interpretation of once saved, always saved.
If you have had some sort of life changing experience and you now know for sure that the Spirit of God dwells within you, then you are saved.
I don't think I can give a better explanation than that.

Hi Rollo,

I apologize. I guess I didn't make my thoughts clear. I am not saying that you said it. It is what I am saying.

My point is the OSAS theory allows one to sin boldly and sin often since you have no fear of going to hell. FYI....No one is swaying me. I am just stating a fact. If your saved, your not going to hell. That means you can sin boldly and sin as often as you want.

What is your definition of a life changing experience? How do I know when "the Spirit of God" is truly dwelling in me? There have been a lot of people (Arius, Martin Luther, Joseph Smith, Charles Taze Russell) who thought He was dwelling in them and they all teach different (and heretical) things from the same bible. ALOT of people believed them and followed them. If they were deceived how do I know I am not being deceived?

Curious Mary

 

[GodsGrace]

pls, the Qur'an condemns that, too, same as the Bible.

NO it doesn't.
It says that muslims are not to kill anyone. When M killed many and other stuff.
But then, practically the next page (can't remember the numbers) it says to try to convert the infidels, and if they can't be, to kill them.

WE are the infidels !!

 

[GodsGrace]

Hello Mary, the Holy Spirit within you is the answer.
But it's hard to pinpoint it beyond that since we each have a different experience.
I like to say that the Holy Spirit gives each of us what we need to believe and know we are saved.

And your first statement "I agree with you. Once we are saved I believe we should sin boldly and sin often since we have no fear of going to hell."
I have never said this and you will never hear me say it.
You are being swayed by other people's interpretation of once saved, always saved.
If you have had some sort of life changing experience and you now know for sure that the Spirit of God dwells within you, then you are saved.
I don't think I can give a better explanation than that.

You see.
OSAS kind of automatically means that one could just sin and not worry about it. It DOES sound like that.

But that means nothing...

 

[Marymog]

Mary,
He's not saying to sin. I don't believe those that believe in eternal security are saying this.

What RT is saying is that he doesn't believe a REAL CHRISTIAN could ever abandon God.

Now, I know I've tried with him. Do you have any proof of a person being saved and then deciding, for whatever reason, to abandon God?
I've tried. I agree with you, BTW.

HI GG,

If one is OSAS AND has "eternal security" then what does it matter if they sin? Won't they still go to heaven?

Who defines "real Christian"? What is a "real Christian"? If I think I am a real Christian, does that make me a real Christian? Or do I go in front of a jury of "real Christians", they ask me 100 questions and they vote if I answered the questions correctly??? Who gets to be in that inquisition? Only real Christians?

No....I have no proof of a person being saved and then deciding to abandon God. That is because no one knows if they are saved and scripture makes it clear that salvation is not assured and that we must work for it.

The best example of a person I can give as "proof" is Charles Templeton. He is one of millions if not billions who "abandoned God".

I already know the logic of OSAS people. Charles Templeton was never really saved and he was never a "real Christian". Even though he thought he was saved and everyone around him thought he was saved....he really wasn't. It is a dishonest copout to make their OSAS theory work. The OSAS theory is not biblical and it is dangerous.

Mary