Dinosaur conspiracy!?

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Dcopymope

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theistic evolution does not, and you are just not allowing for it, i guess. You have chosen to believe a version that suits you, and who can disagree? But truth is another matter i guess

No, I chose the only version that matters, the Biblical account, of which no version of evolution be it theistic or atheist fits as it undermines the entire faith from top to bottom.
 

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This is scientific nonsence and is unproven.
well, i don't consider proof the criteria that must meet for me to consider any contributing info it might reveal, so as not to be blinded to being in denial of excommunicating Copernicus for suggesting a heliocentric solar system, so to speak. That it is unproven does not discount the relevant parts of any theory, right, including rabid Creationism
 

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I believe this is a shining example of what Paul referred to as profane and vain babbling's taught as "science".
but you cannot rebut that they already had a word for dust, and cells are a great manifestation of dust of the earth, either, wadr.
See, i don't need proof of any of this to be literally true for a courtroom fact, i only need to accept them at face value for consideration. i don't have to know, iow
 

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but you cannot rebut that they already had a word for dust, and cells are a great manifestation of dust of the earth, either, wadr.
See, i don't need proof of any of this to be literally true for a courtroom fact, i only need to accept them at face value for consideration. i don't have to know, iow

Did the cells organize themselves, and then magically transform into a fish into Adam?

cannot be made to make even logical sense, as any biologist will tell you--you do not crumble to literal dust when you die--and Scripture even supports, as we have a Hebrew word for "dust" or "dirt" already, and that isn't the word used. When the proper definition of dust is understood, i'll grant you that that is the only ancestor needed, yes

Ok, materials of the earth then. That is what you are made of right? Or is it the ape man?..............:rolleyes:.
 

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Did the cells organize themselves, and then magically transform into a fish into Adam?
there are a couple main theories of speciation, but since i gather you are not asking for a def of those, i would just mostly point you to the frame you have constructed there, wherein these cells must somehow all "transform" into Adam over time, which we cannot observe even today, see. you are not "all" Dc, it is more like about 10% of "you."

And what do Pleni cells do, anyway? So, just like the social theories "nature or nurture," i doubt either speciation theory wil get tossed anytime soon simply bc they both contain truth, and when they are applied is what becomes more pertinent? something like that
 

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I believe this is a shining example of what Paul referred to as profane and vain babbling's taught as "science".

If you are talking about evolution, the unproven, unscientific faith that creatures turn into totaly different creatures.
Then yes you are right.
 
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well, i don't consider proof the criteria that must meet for me to consider any contributing info it might reveal, so as not to be blinded to being in denial of excommunicating Copernicus for suggesting a heliocentric solar system, so to speak. That it is unproven does not discount the relevant parts of any theory, right, including rabid Creationism
If something is unproved it is not true.
Copernicus was never excomunicated, you are thinking of Galileo who was because the universities, who like today believed in pagan ideas, were offended by his, Galileos discoveries.
The catholic church only got involved because Galileo made personal attacks against the pope.
 

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If you are talking about evolution, the unproven, unscientific faith that creatures turn into totaly different creatures.
Then yes you are right.

:) Yep....what I call the theory that a frog with the magic wand of time, natural selection and mutation will turn into a prince.
 

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there are a couple main theories of speciation, but since i gather you are not asking for a def of those, i would just mostly point you to the frame you have constructed there, wherein these cells must somehow all "transform" into Adam over time, which we cannot observe even today, see. you are not "all" Dc, it is more like about 10% of "you."

And what do Pleni cells do, anyway? So, just like the social theories "nature or nurture," i doubt either speciation theory wil get tossed anytime soon simply bc they both contain truth, and when they are applied is what becomes more pertinent? something like that

This is the problem, all you get from evolutionists are theories as to what they claimed happened, not definitive proof. For a frog to turn into a prince, new information has to be added to the gene pool. Something has to be gained in order for this to occur. Nothing of the kind has ever been observed, only a reshuffling, or complete deletion of information. Deletion of information defines speciation. Whenever you have two creatures of the same kind who branch off into different species who loses the ability to function with each other in some capacity, such as the ability to procreate, then a loss of information has occurred. How this is proof of their 'princess and the frog' fantasies is beyond me.
 

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If you are talking about evolution, the unproven, unscientific faith that creatures turn into totaly different creatures.
Then yes you are right.
you can believe that if you like, you can even state it as truth, but that does not make it true, see. You do not know, iow, you merely state that you do.
 

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you can believe that if you like, you can even state it as truth, but that does not make it true, see. You do not know, iow, you merely state that you do.

OK present me with the proof that animals can, have and do change into other animals.
Please don't waste my time by presenting evidence that dogs turn into dogs, or fish into fish etc.
 
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you are thinking of Galileo
The catholic church only got involved because Galileo made personal attacks against the pope.
ok, Galileo then, and i guess he felt attacked first. If the pope was adhering to Scripture he would have refused to be offended, and would not have dignified anything perceived to be antichrist with any response at all
 

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This is the problem, all you get from evolutionists are theories as to what they claimed happened, not definitive proof. For a frog to turn into a prince, new information has to be added to the gene pool. Something has to be gained in order for this to occur. Nothing of the kind has ever been observed, only a reshuffling, or complete deletion of information. Deletion of information defines speciation. Whenever you have two creatures of the same kind who branch off into different species who loses the ability to function with each other in some capacity, such as the ability to procreate, then a loss of information has occurred. How this is proof of their 'princess and the frog' fantasies is beyond me.
you must know that this is even debated among theorists, as the info you insist has been "lost" might just have gone dormant in the genes, and other information has been activated, perhaps. Personally i do not care, even as i suspect that we evolved from a cell in an environment, as we have just recently discovered some cells do.

My faith hardly hangs in the balance here, as is so often forwarded, not just by you.

And you have not explained up there where Superbugs came from yet, either, seems to me