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Featured Dinosaur conspiracy!?

Discussion in 'Christianity & Science Forum' started by twinc, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Windmillcharge

    Windmillcharge Well-Known Member

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    You don't read posts do you. These are all examples of dogs turning into dogs, of change within a speices and they do not show that a creature is turning into another type of creature.

    They are not proof of evolution.
     
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    I prescent you Jesus.
     
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    ah, but i do not need proof, wadr, and you have declined to prove God, i notice
     
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    no you don't, you present me a Book with a story in it that cannot be verified, and when i go to "prove it" i find that Nazareth was not even extant as a settlement in the first century lol. You present me with a story about a Guy Whose own family sought to have Him committed, and Whose government had Him executed. God is not a fact, or you could "prove" Him to the world, that is what "proof" means, after all
     
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    that is your opinion, yes, and you are welcome to it, don't get me wrong ok, i am just not bound to regard your posts as truth, like you are i guess. The things you assert as fact here are not facts, but theories

    And to reiterate, if you are looking for proof you are talking to the wrong guy, i need no proof, proof would not even serve me here tbh
    proof goes with facts, and courtrooms, and lawyers; not that there is not a place for those too, don't get me wrong, the world runs on them right.

    If you want truth, you should read my posts! :D

    j/k lol i don't know either
     
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    :rolleyes:................You keep saying "you don't care" yet you keep coming back every time I or someone else gives a rebuttal with evidence. If it didn't matter that much to your faith, you wouldn't be dismissing the evidence as nothing more than an "explanation", or an "opinion". You would accept it for what it is and move on. Your alleged "super bugs" found in hospitals aren't really so "super" at all. For one, they aren't nearly as fit to survive outside of the conditions seen in hospitals as others. For two, drug resistant bacteria has been found in numerous places decades ago, from frozen bodies going back to the 19th century, to even caves that are allegedly millions of years old. Obviously the bacteria already had the ability to resist modern antibiotics from the get go. It didn't suddenly "evolve" and become resistant. Bacteria has been known to transfer antibiotic resistant information from one bacteria to another, commonly referred to as "horizontal gene transfer". Again, no new information added, only reshuffled or relocated. They can also gain resistance by mutation, which always results yet again by a loss of genetic information, nothing new is ever added, or magically created out of the blue. They do what God intended them to do "in the beginning".

    Link: Drug-Resistant Bacteria Found in 4-Million-Year-Old Cave
     
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    You may be right in using the word fact, as a means of proving God, but what you either don't know or don't wanna know, is that He can prove Himself to be the Truth ( which is higher than a fact ) to anyone who draws near...it doesn't mean you can show Him to the rest of the world, but that you could become an actual witness and then show others how to become one with God again and get their own proof of Him, but as I have found it seems what most people put their brakes on with, and I'll be blown if I understand this ?????
     
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    I was there not long ago. Nice museum.
    Yes they lived and walked, they walked with people.
    There are human foot prints right next to dinosaur foot prints.
    Scientists believe they died because of a big meteor hitting the earth in Northern Alberta, near Sudbury. This town is located in a very large crater.
    I have seen human prints next to dinosaur foot prints at the Bennett Dam in Northern British Columbia.

    :)
     
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    ha well c'mon, only these are different species, not connected at all, except that the resistance somehow gets xferred, you don't think that raises more Qs than it answers? it's easy to blithely say "no new info added," but it was new info to the new bacteria, who measurably did not know it before. i mean, i didn't mean to imply that i was worried about superbugs or anything lol; i would certainly reflect upon any info that contributes to an understanding, but to be fair where you say "again, no new info," i note that nobel laureates debate and do not know, so imo it is fair for me to question what you state as fact that is only theory to everyone else
     
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    um, one loses all credibility when they make statements suggesting that they know, when they cannot know according to Scripture? Be better to just nod "you sho right," do you think? That's what i do IRL, usually. a forum seemed to call for more honesty, and less subtle ity?
     
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    ah, so like confirmation they were contemporaries? really, wow
     
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    That there is a God is self evident in that one cannot prove that there isn't a God.
    But to deal with the argument more positively there is the argument.
    Everything that has a begining has a cause.
    The universe has a cause.
    Therfore something caused the universe to begin.
    How do or can we know what this 'something' is. Well unless that something makes it's self knownto us we can't.
    That is where the bible and Jesus come in.
    That Jesus did exist is not disputed by historians, that he was excuted and burried is not disputed either.
    Most historians will recognise that the tomb was found to be empty and that the disciples believed that they had met the risen Jesus.
     
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    ya, i guess. imo "evolution" has just gotten so much negative attached to it that we seek other ways to express it; "natural selection" pretty much equals "evolution" to me
     
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    Sorry my brain must be a little slow as I didn't quite get where you were coming from with that ?
     
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    No the word 'evolution' has two meanings.
    1. change with in a species via natural selection.
    2. change of a species into a new species.

    Here we are talking about the 2nd meaning which has not been observed or scientficly proven to have happened.
     
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    anyone who makes statements of truth should be suspected, because Scripture informs us that the truth cannot be said in the manner that we think it can, as anyone contesting the "truth" will argue.
    the first to tell his side seems right, until another comes and cross examines him, etc
     
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    ah we are, are we? if i had to guess there, i would guess that we have just made poor divisions into species, but i see some corrections being made there, too, and i guess even the parameters for #2 are being challenged now? Even scientists working with genes are hard-pressed to state a truth on the matter, seems like.

    but for now i would say one takeaway is prolly that believe it or not, there are scientists disputing the evolution of new "species" from old ones, even if they are not necessarily trying to prove Creationism, they are at least kind of the Creationist's scientist of choice by proxy or whatever; the point being that if/when some scientist does assert that they have evidence of #2, some, many other scientists will require the theory to stand trial, it isn't like many think, that some scientist cabal will assert some lie that cannot be questioned.

    but really it is becoming more apparent that speciation the way we define it is just a frame that we are about to outgrow, i guess. It is an expression of the seen, so to speak, and isn't expressing very well what the genes are telling us, is what i gather from those guys
     
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    so i would be adjusting my personal definitions here, and suspect our definitions of speciation rather than evolution
     
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    It is not that scientists claim they have evidence, but that the assumptions are that evolution has taken place.

    That evolutionists will not permit evolution to be publicly challenged is clear that the evidence doesn't stand up to examination.
     
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