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Discussion in 'Christianity & Science Forum' started by twinc, Aug 9, 2017.

  1. Dcopymope

    Dcopymope Well-Known Member

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    They still believe their ancestors were poop slinging apes so I'm not surprised. Are they still proposing crap like humans in its embryonic state having gills, tails and wings? If they are, then I can't say I would be too surprised about that either, as they are fools professing themselves to be wise nonetheless.
     
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    aspen “"The harvest is plentiful but the workers are few

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    The fringe groups are trying to push religion And calling it design theory
     
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    The facts are called "religion"...........sure.........:rolleyes:.
     
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    In reverse order.
    I have no choice but to constantly review what I believe and whether evolution is scientific.
    How many programes are there in the media that look accuractly at evolution and the major problems evolutyion has to deal with? I am not aware of any programes outside of Christian media companies that will show even a pro christian programe let alone one hostile to evolution.
    No idea what RCC means,

    Superbugs. No such animal. What there are, are bugs with selected resistance to anti biotics, they are as evoluved as cows are for milk production.

    Evolving quickly! evidence please.
    Yes guppiesetc will change due to selrctionin a few generations, but that is only selection from the genetic varriety already there, not creating new genetic information.
     
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    ah, the facts, ya. Tbh imo there is enough room in the def of evolution to allow for Superbugs and coywolves without intruding upon one's Creation Mythology? I mean, i used to believe that Adam had no navel, and now i am persuaded that he did, perhaps, but really i don't see how this affects the spiritual principles either way? Neither side can really prove whether Adam had a navel or not, right
     
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    ya, i'm looking pretty dispassionately here, at least i think, and i am detecting some manip of "vast majority" myself. Strictly speaking is a vestigial tail really a tail? No, i guess not, it is a vestigial tail, after all. Does this mean that we all had tails at one time? I dunno, but look at this guy's feet wouldja, i mean explain those away, never mind the tail
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    are you sure? coywolves are not genetically distinct from wolves and coyotes? Superbugs have not encoded new genetic information? i notice that you can find whatever you search for here! lol, very strange imo
    coywolves are genetically distinct from wolves and coyotes? - Google Search
    coywolves are not genetically distinct from wolves and coyotes? - Google Search

    so, it seems there is disagreement where there should only be a fact, either true or not true
     
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    As this article tellingly sayshttps://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/coywolves-are-taking-over-eastern-north-america-180957141/
    the coywolf is a hibred, a mixture of different but closly related species. It is evolution in that it is developments of the dog kind.
    It is not evolution of a wolf or coyote into a new type of animal.
     
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    Superbugs are 'doctors often use phrases like "multidrug-resistant bacteria." That's because a superbug isn't necessarily resistant to all antibiotics. It refers to bacteria that can't be treated using two or more, says Brian K. Coombes, PhD, of McMaster University in Ontario.'
    There is no extra genetic infoirmation, if anything there is less as these bugs are able to process antibiotics more effectivly than other bugs, but this is usually because the process food etc less effectivly.
    This is not an example of evolution.
     
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    yes, and as some other article would definitively argue, the Smithsonians were taken over by wolves back in the 80s, and all of their output is suspect. I am not interested in pursuing the Hegelian Dialectic here, wadr. "Hybrid" works for my def of "evolution" just fine, and i find the argument over gene expression to be just that, an argument, when i honestly do not even need an explanation of how Superbugs evolved, if they are killing us, see, how they got here is really irrelevant to me; they got here, here they are.

    arguing that they could not possibly have "evolved" just strikes me as denial, or at least pointless
     
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    wadr you seem awfully sure of yourself?
    are you a scientist?
     
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    fwiw you are aware that this is not even true as an analogy, right.
    The current best theory is that we share an ancestor with apes, but diverged long before apes became apes

    and you say "belief" here, but really in this venue--religious, iow--the word "belief" is not really adequate, either, hope that makes sense? Scientists who "believe" their theories are made fun of, too, you know.
     
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    Yes I'm well aware of this, I just refer to it as the ape-man theory. So which one are you gonna believe? As far as scripture is concerned, the only common ancestor we share with any creature at all is the dust of the earth from which God created all life entirely as separate entities, which is contrary from the molecules to man theory of evolution, and it is the dust we shall return to at death. Realize that evolution from top to bottom is a works based belief system. It claims that the universe and all life itself arose from entirely natural processes, as opposed to the Biblical narrative that claims that it arose entirely from the craftsmanship of God.

    Theistic evolution is no different except that in it, God is shoe horned into the general theory, "just because", and to fill in the gaps that evolution by mutation and natural selection among other natural processes cannot explain. In either case, God is no longer the prime mover as the Biblical narrative states, but takes a backseat to the alleged process from molecules to man. Lets not forget that it also claims death as the necessary means by which life arose, which is contrary to the Biblical narrative which claims that there was no death before the temptation of Adam and Eve. Therefore, if evolution is true in any way shape or form, then God cannot claim to be the creator, which means he cannot claim to reconcile to himself through his son that which he did not create to start with as he isn't the one that did the work, which means that you are not saved because there can be no redemption.
     
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    um, i am going to abandon the Hegelian Dialectic wherein i am coerced to choose a winner and loser, especially since no one knows anyway, and imo it doesn't really matter a whit in this case, either, so why develop a belief that i can't prove and can only defend, anyway? i find the argument that one of the two or three must be chosen in order to accept God provincial at best.

    Adam (ruddy) works fine, whichever def you use, seems to me
     
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    cannot be made to make even logical sense, as any biologist will tell you--you do not crumble to literal dust when you die--and Scripture even supports, as we have a Hebrew word for "dust" or "dirt" already, and that isn't the word used. When the proper definition of dust is understood, i'll grant you that that is the only ancestor needed, yes
     
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    theistic evolution does not, and you are just not allowing for it, i guess. You have chosen to believe a version that suits you, and who can disagree? But truth is another matter i guess
     
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    It is called genetics and is all about how genes controll the characteristics of descendants.

    If you breed dogs you get dogs. It might surprise you but in breeding dogs you will never get, cats, horses, cows, rabits, birds or any other animal.

    Yet evolutionists would have the gullible believe that you can get other animals just by breeding the same animals.
     
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    Then you do not understand how the word 'evolution can be used in two ways.
    One way describes what has happened with coywolves and superbugs.
    The other way has nothing to do with the first but means , goo into you via the zoo.
    This is scientific nonsence and is unproven.
     
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    I believe this is a shining example of what Paul referred to as profane and vain babbling's taught as "science".

     
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