Twisted Verses: weapons of oppression?

[VictoryinJesus]

This thread is for any verses you feel have seriously been twisted and used as weapons. One I would like to contribute is:

Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

Twice in Proverbs, these exact words are spoken. (Proverbs 25:24) I'm confident God doesn't and never meant; an individual woman with her nagging. It is better to be on the rooftop than inside the house.

First: "corner"

Leviticus 19:9-10
[9] And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. [10] And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

There are other verses; I won't post them all, but "corner" is significant.

Isaiah 11:12
[12] And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Grass on housetops: Psalm 129:6
[6] Let them be as the grass upon the housetops, which withereth afore it groweth up:

Does grass grow on rooftops? Had to look this one up.
Psalm 129:6 Commentaries: Let them be like grass upon the housetops, Which withers before it grows up;

Matthew 10:26-28
[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. [27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. [28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now Peter:

Acts 10:9-14
[9] On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: [10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Acts 10:15
[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


A Wide house:
Jeremiah 22:13-17
[13] Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; [14] That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. [15] Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? [16] He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord . [17] But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it .

Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop with "the poor" and "the stranger", then in a WIDE house (a WIDE house of "unrighteousness", "chambers of wrong", "covetousness", "innocent blood", "oppression", and "violence").

Luke 6:20
[20] And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

James 1:27
[27] Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Don't reduce Proverds 21:9 to a sexist comment made by the Father, when it never was meant as one. The wide house is the harlot. Jezebel. (Proverbs 7:1-27). It is better to be with the Father-less and widows.

Luke 12:43-44
[43] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [44] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm confident God doesn't and never meant; an individual woman with her nagging.

nice

It is better to be on the rooftop than inside the house.

hmm, interesting. Imo the house is also not a literal house, in the same manner as the woman is not a literal woman tho.
'better to be on the rooftop' i never considered in this context tho, nice, hafta think about that one. Certainly some...Apostolic support for the concept, huh. Ah, you beat me to it. i'll be back :)

 

[APAK]

This thread is for any verses you feel have seriously been twisted and used as weapons. One I would like to contribute is:

Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

Twice in Proverbs, these exact words are spoken. (Proverbs 25:24) I'm confident God doesn't and never meant; an individual woman with her nagging. It is better to be on the rooftop than inside the house.

First: "corner"

Leviticus 19:9-10
[9] And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. [10] And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the Lord your God.

There are other verses; I won't post them all, but "corner" is significant.

Isaiah 11:12
[12] And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth.

Grass on housetops: Psalm 129:6
[6] Let them be as the grass upon the housetops, which withereth afore it groweth up:

Does grass grow on rooftops? Had to look this one up.
Psalm 129:6 Commentaries: Let them be like grass upon the housetops, Which withers before it grows up;

Matthew 10:26-28
[26] Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered, that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known. [27] What I tell you in darkness, that speak ye in light: and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops. [28] And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

Now Peter:

Acts 10:9-14
[9] On the morrow, as they went on their journey, and drew nigh unto the city, Peter went up upon the housetop to pray about the sixth hour: [10] And he became very hungry, and would have eaten: but while they made ready, he fell into a trance, [11] And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth: [12] Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air. [13] And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat. [14] But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.

Acts 10:15
[15] And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


A Wide house:
Jeremiah 22:13-17
[13] Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; [14] That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. [15] Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? [16] He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord . [17] But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it .

Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop with "the poor" and "the stranger", then in a WIDE house (a WIDE house of "unrighteousness", "chambers of wrong", "covetousness", "innocent blood", "oppression", and "violence").

Luke 6:20
[20] And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

James 1:27
[27] Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Don't reduce Proverds 21:9 to a sexist comment made by the Father, when it never was meant as one. The wide house is the harlot. Jezebel. (Proverbs 7:1-27). It is better to be with the Father-less and widows.

Luke 12:43-44
[43] Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. [44] Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath.

VictoryinJesus:

(Pro 21:9) It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife. (ESV) The added ‘wide house’ must be of another Bible version like the KJV

This proverb is essentially about a man able to bear outside problems, the weight of the world and the problems it brings, more easily that living with problems at home - with a nagging wife or woman. The gender of course can be changed to mean a woman putting up with a nagging man.

In Eastern world homes, the attic and upper corners of the home were typically shared with other families or that it was used by one person to just sleep and keep his belongs there. The house is where a man and woman live entirely by themselves. They must deal with each other daily in all matters and manners of living. You cannot escape them as you can outside in the world, by yourself.

The usage of ‘the corner’ is to accent that we live in a small and insignificant place in the world amongst other people (in/of the world) in the same attic space (the world). The story theme/line is that personal home problems are more serious in nature and usually harder to handle that concerns outside the home. And we must deal with them.

Bless you,


APAK

 

[VictoryinJesus]

VictoryinJesus:

(Pro 21:9) It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife. (ESV) The added ‘wide house’ must be of another Bible version like the KJV

This proverb is essentially about a man able to bear outside problems, the weight of the world and the problems it brings, more easily that living with problems at home - with a nagging wife or woman. The gender of course can be changed to mean a woman putting up with a nagging man.

In Eastern world homes, the attic and upper corners of the home were typically shared with other families or that it was used by one person to just sleep and keep his belongs there. The house is where a man and woman live entirely by themselves. They must deal with each other daily in all matters and manners of living. You cannot escape them as you can outside in the world, by yourself.

The usage of ‘the corner’ is to accent that we live in a small and insignificant place in the world amongst other people (in/of the world) in the same attic space (the world). The story theme/line is that personal home problems are more serious in nature and usually harder to handle that concerns outside the home. And we must deal with them.

Bless you,


APAK

It is good to know, thank you.

Proverbs 21:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

You said: "The usage of ‘the corner’ is to accent that we live in a small and insignificant place in the world amongst other people (in/of the world)"

In the world but not "of the world". Agree :)

 

[APAK]

It is good to know, thank you.

Proverbs 21:9 Hebrew Text Analysis

You said: "The usage of ‘the corner’ is to accent that we live in a small and insignificant place in the world amongst other people (in/of the world)"

In the world but not "of the world". Agree :)

Of course..for us believers...BUT..many people we live with, are OF this world..:)

that's why I wrote it this way..
Bless you,..APAK
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[VictoryinJesus]

VictoryinJesus:

(Pro 21:9) It is better to live in a corner of the housetop than in a house shared with a quarrelsome wife. (ESV) The added ‘wide house’ must be of another Bible version like the KJV

This proverb is essentially about a man able to bear outside problems, the weight of the world and the problems it brings, more easily that living with problems at home - with a nagging wife or woman. The gender of course can be changed to mean a woman putting up with a nagging man.

In Eastern world homes, the attic and upper corners of the home were typically shared with other families or that it was used by one person to just sleep and keep his belongs there. The house is where a man and woman live entirely by themselves. They must deal with each other daily in all matters and manners of living. You cannot escape them as you can outside in the world, by yourself.

The usage of ‘the corner’ is to accent that we live in a small and insignificant place in the world amongst other people (in/of the world) in the same attic space (the world). The story theme/line is that personal home problems are more serious in nature and usually harder to handle that concerns outside the home. And we must deal with them.

Bless you,


APAK

Respectfully, even if "wide" is not used. It is used in: Jeremiah 22:13-17 KJV
[13] Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; [14] That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. [15] Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? [16] He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord . [17] But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it .

Which seems to be what Solomon warns of in (Proverbs 7:1-27).

Proverbs 7:16-19,24-27
[16] I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works , with fine linen of Egypt. [17] I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. [18] Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. [19] For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: [24] Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. [25] Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. [26] For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.


Proverbs 7:24-27
[24] Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. [25] Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. [26] For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Which agrees with the "broad road".
"Broad" and "wide", doesn't seem good.

Matthew 7:13
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

 

[APAK]

Respectfully, even if "wide" is not used. It is used in: Jeremiah 22:13-17 KJV
[13] Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong; that useth his neighbour's service without wages, and giveth him not for his work; [14] That saith, I will build me a wide house and large chambers, and cutteth him out windows; and it is cieled with cedar, and painted with vermilion. [15] Shalt thou reign, because thou closest thyself in cedar? did not thy father eat and drink, and do judgment and justice, and then it was well with him? [16] He judged the cause of the poor and needy; then it was well with him: was not this to know me? saith the Lord . [17] But thine eyes and thine heart are not but for thy covetousness, and for to shed innocent blood, and for oppression, and for violence, to do it .

Which seems to be what Solomon warns of in (Proverbs 7:1-27).

Proverbs 7:16-19,24-27
[16] I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works , with fine linen of Egypt. [17] I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon. [18] Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves. [19] For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey: [24] Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. [25] Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. [26] For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.


Proverbs 7:24-27
[24] Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth. [25] Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths. [26] For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her. [27] Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.

Which agrees with the "broad road".
"Broad" and "wide", doesn't seem good.

Matthew 7:13
[13] Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:

VictoryinJesus:

Good…where I left off before….we must deal with personal home/ heart issues that can be more serious that what confronts us outside…these are from the HEART and its condition.

On the surface, a ‘wide’ house is the figurative house as the condition of one’s heart. It has all the things to be self-sufficient or sufficiency from God. It can be your own personal palace or space that is built upon trust in God or trust in self and unrighteousness. The home or heart is either built on God’s way or on selfishness and deceit. Like having an unhappy family or relationship with others, built on trust or lies. It is either build by God or not.

It is important that our ‘wide’ house or our heart of treasures is not built on boastful pride and greed that parades our good plans and deeds in front of people, whilst treating close ones and others around us with contempt, deceit and lies. We are fooling and deceiving ourselves. We are not being honest with ourselves. We do not have a heart of contriteness and humility that God values and desires.

If we continue with this hardened prideful heart we will spiritually die. So much for a ‘wide’ home, as walking on the ‘wide’ road, right? If this ‘wide’ home /house is not built on a firm foundation it will fall and be destroyed.

So, circling back, now with another and new applicable meaning of the ‘corner’ attic space drawn from your new posed verses…..that you have successfully brought out from me with your persistent deeper analysis…

It is better to have a heart that is pure and live with no material gain or extravagance, in the top corner of the attic of a home. Constraining and containing our heart to what really matters in life is the safest way to live in this world with others. The essential elements for life, with our God, our Lord and living in the spirit….else we are all prone to stray of the narrow path…

Excellent topic…..I like learning new things that stretches my mind and adds more spiritual understanding and value to my life

Bless you,



APAK

 

[FHII]

Well... With much of proverbs there is a spiritual and natural reason. I fully support the idea of the woman being the Church. Yet it is good advice on the natural side as well.

There shouldn't be strife in the household. Period. I agree the is a spiritual and deeper meaning, but it doesn't erase the natural meaning.

A woman can disagree and do many things to protect and add to the household... But she shouldn't be "a brawler". Men shouldn't be brawlers either!

Or does anyone disagree? Is it ok for a woman to be a brawler? I'd love to hear the defense for that.

Maybe instead of trying to define wide houses and corners we should look at what a brawler is.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Well... With much of proverbs there is a spiritual and natural reason. I fully support the idea of the woman being the Church. Yet it is good advice on the natural side as well.

There shouldn't be strife in the household. Period. I agree the is a spiritual and deeper meaning, but it doesn't erase the natural meaning.

A woman can disagree and do many things to protect and add to the household... But she shouldn't be "a brawler". Men shouldn't be brawlers either!

Or does anyone disagree? Is it ok for a woman to be a brawler? I'd love to hear the defense for that.

Maybe instead of trying to define wide houses and corners we should look at what a brawler is.

FHII, I agree. A woman shouldn't be a brawler. Also, agree in the practical life application. Same as "a house divided will not stand". My husband reminds me when external circumstances wear at our agreement that a house divided, falls.

"Brawler(s)"is only used twice.
"Brawling" twice in Proverbs.

Titus 3:1-5
[1] Put them in mind to be subject to principalities and powers, to obey magistrates, to be ready to every good work, [2] To speak evil of no man, to be no brawlers, but gentle, shewing all meekness unto all men. [3] For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. [4] But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, [5] Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;

1 Timothy 3:2-5
[2] A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach; [3] Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous; [4] One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity; [5] (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

reek: ἄμαχος
Transliteration: amachos
Pronunciation: am'-akh-os
Definition: From G1 (as a negative particle) and G3163; peaceable: - not a brawler.

Contention: 11times. Titus 3:9
[9] But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and vain.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God transcends time. God never changes. Since we know this to be true, why is the Word so outdated? Couldn't the Word of God keep up with the times? Could God not predict this modern world where there are no chariots, no women referred to as "maidens", no need for candles burning. No shields. No armor. No helmets. I have often wondered, why didn't God make the Word fit so the evolution of His word would prove its authenticity? But then He showed that, the Spirit is what transcends time. Not the physical. It is the Spirit that never changes. Underneath the physical application, the Spiritual meaning NEVER changes.

Maiden is still maiden...Spiritually. Candle burning is still ..."keep your candles burning". Sword is still 'the sword'...the Word which gives life. Meat and milk and honey, raiment and bread all still come from God. The Spiritual meaning transcends time.

Ephesians 6:13-17
[13] Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. [14] Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; [15] And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; [16] Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. [17] And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

On the surface no single woman can do all of Proverbs 31. The physical implication is outdated, but the Spiritual remains: everlasting and unchanging. The virtuous woman is Jesus Christ and the Church:

Proverbs 31:10-26
[10] Who can find a virtuous woman? for her price is far above rubies. [11] The heart of her husband doth safely trust in her, so that he shall have no need of spoil. [12] She will do him good and not evil all the days of her life. [13] She seeketh wool, and flax, and worketh willingly with her hands. [14] She is like the merchants' ships; she bringeth her food from afar. [15] She riseth also while it is yet night, and giveth meat to her household, and a portion to her maidens. [16] She considereth a field, and buyeth it: with the fruit of her hands she planteth a vineyard. [17] She girdeth her loins with strength, and strengtheneth her arms. [18] She perceiveth that her merchandise is good: her candle goeth not out by night. [19] She layeth her hands to the spindle, and her hands hold the distaff. [20] She stretcheth out her hand to the poor; yea, she reacheth forth her hands to the needy. [21] She is not afraid of the snow for her household: for all her household are clothed with scarlet. [22] She maketh herself coverings of tapestry; her clothing is silk and purple. [23] Her husband is known in the gates, when he sitteth among the elders of the land. [24] She maketh fine linen, and selleth it ; and delivereth girdles unto the merchant. [25] Strength and honour are her clothing; and she shall rejoice in time to come. [26] She openeth her mouth with wisdom; and in her tongue is the law of kindness.

The near kinsman redeemer to Ruth(the Church), never changes. It remains: Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Ruth 3:11 [11] And now, my daughter, fear not; I will do to thee all that thou requirest: for all the city of my people doth know that thou art a virtuous woman.

Often, We force the Word to align with the physical of this modern world when it was never meant to. In predicting endtimes, this is a grave error in forcing the Word to conform to us, instead of us conforming to the Word(Spirit). A hundred years from now, even if the world changes until it is no longer recognizable; the sword will still mean the Word.

 

[bbyrd009]

yup, and it will still work the same then as anyone's word does now; will still require breath and a witness to hear it, etc

 

[Abeliever]

[QUOTE="VictoryinJesus,
Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

Twice in Proverbs, these exact words are spoken. (Proverbs 25:24) I'm confident God doesn't and never meant; an individual woman with her nagging. It is better to be on the rooftop than inside the house.

First: "corner"
[/QUOTE]

Hi VictoryinJesus,
I also thought this proverb was allegorical. But last night I was watching a documentary on You Tube about the houses in the old days. Most had 2 floors and in the winter the 1st floor was used to keep the animals in. Doing this made the 2nd floor warmer. On a really hot summer night the people often went to sleep on the roof since it was cooler than inside. If a family was large the most undesired place was the corners. (presumably because you could roll off and die) So Proverbs 21 & 25 are, in part, accurate to what people did. Who Knew? Not me. I guess the rest of what was said still holds true. If you had a mate that was so argumentative you considered sleeping on the corner better than next to him/her you had problems. Nowadays that couple would be heading to divorce court, but back then morals still existed.

 

[bbyrd009]

36And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.

 

[Stranger]

This thread is for any verses you feel have seriously been twisted and used as weapons. One I would like to contribute is:

Proverbs 21:9
[9] It is better to dwell in a corner of the housetop, than with a brawling woman in a wide house.

Twice in Proverbs, these exact words are spoken. (Proverbs 25:24) I'm confident God doesn't and never meant; an individual woman with her nagging. It is better to be on the rooftop than inside the house.

Yet, who would deny the literal truth of these words?

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Yet, who would deny the literal truth of these words?

Stranger

Literal yes. But then there is also...

“The cast in the illustration of (Rom. 7:2-4):

1. The woman=the believer.
2. First husband=God through Christ in the flesh.
3. Second husband=God through Christ resurrected.
4. Law of first husband=Mosaic Law.
5. Law of second husband=Law of the Spirit.” I am sorry that should have been in quotations @Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Literal yes. But then there is also...

“The cast in the illustration of (Rom. 7:2-4):

1. The woman=the believer.
2. First husband=God through Christ in the flesh.
3. Second husband=God through Christ resurrected.
4. Law of first husband=Mosaic Law.
5. Law of second husband=Law of the Spirit.” I am sorry that should have been in quotations @Stranger

I don't see your point. The verses in Proverbs did not distinguish between a believer and a non-believer. Whereas in Romans that distinction is made.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

I don't see your point. The verses in Proverbs did not distinguish between a believer and a non-believer. Whereas in Romans that distinction is made.

Stranger

You have caught me on a bad day and I probably shouldn't even respond. But you asked what is the point? the point is men love to see themselves in the position of Christ. Rather than see themselves in the position of the woman deceived in need of being ransomed. And here is woman: a weak vessel that man is to lift up and a man did lift 'her' up, but that man was Christ. God in the flesh taking the lowest seat as a servant. The woman was the one deceived. You have said it yourself. The point is...where are you in the cast in the illustration? Were you ever in the position of being deceived? which covenant are we under now...is it not Spiritual? why all the literal verses pulled out and twisted and used to do what? prove a higher position? So you tell me who the brawling woman is in a wide house?

 

[Stranger]

You have caught me on a bad day and I probably shouldn't even respond. But you asked what is the point? the point is men love to see themselves in the position of Christ. Rather than see themselves in the position of the woman deceived in need of being ransomed. And here is woman: a weak vessel that man is to lift up and a man did lift 'her' up, but that man was Christ. God in the flesh taking the lowest seat as a servant. The woman was the one deceived. You have said it yourself. The point is...where are you in the cast in the illustration? Were you ever in the position of being deceived? which covenant are we under now...is it not Spiritual? why all the literal verses pulled out and twisted and used to do what? prove a higher position? So you tell me who the brawling woman is in a wide house?

Concerning (Rom. 7:2-4) the illustration of the woman is to all believers under the Mosaic Law of God. This is later compared to the believers under the Law of the Spirit. So in this all believers, both men and women, are involved.

As to being deceived...this is my opinion only. Men are extremely hard to deceive concerning spiritual things. That doesn't mean they don't get connected with many false things. They do. But men go into it because they are actively opposed to God. Or, even though they don't believe it they are thinking they may get something else out of it. They most often go into it knowingly.

I have been in a position where deception was there. This occurred very soon after I had become born-again. I didn't have much Bible knowledge at all. I needed a church. Lo and behold I ran across a group of people with Bibles and church services and they invited me into their group. But, something just wasn't right. I didn't have the doctrinal knowledge to know what it was, but I knew something wasn't right. As a result I refused to join. Later I came to know the name of the group which is a known cult.

I think the brawling woman in the wide house is just that. A brawling woman in a wide house. And if the man is smart, he will prepare his sanctuary in the corner.

Stranger

 

[VictoryinJesus]

Concerning (Rom. 7:2-4) the illustration of the woman is to all believers under the Mosaic Law of God. This is later compared to the believers under the Law of the Spirit. So in this all believers, both men and women, are involved.

As to being deceived...this is my opinion only. Men are extremely hard to deceive concerning spiritual things. That doesn't mean they don't get connected with many false things. They do. But men go into it because they are actively opposed to God. Or, even though they don't believe it they are thinking they may get something else out of it. They most often go into it knowingly.

I have been in a position where deception was there. This occurred very soon after I had become born-again. I didn't have much Bible knowledge at all. I needed a church. Lo and behold I ran across a group of people with Bibles and church services and they invited me into their group. But, something just wasn't right. I didn't have the doctrinal knowledge to know what it was, but I knew something wasn't right. As a result I refused to join. Later I came to know the name of the group which is a known cult.

I think the brawling woman in the wide house is just that. A brawling woman in a wide house. And if the man is smart, he will prepare his sanctuary in the corner.

Stranger

We will just have to disagree here, I guess. For me, and it is just my opinion only; but the woman God would have His eye on is believer(s). We all have been deceived the moment we take our first breath in the world until the Revelation of Jesus Christ reveals the truth and light of life. I also disagree with 'men-are- a little deceived but not near as much a woman can be. Sorry, Stranger. But that idea alone is deceptive; its birth and origin coming straight out of pride. But then again, maybe I am bias on the subject since I am a woman. For instance, I believe it is a honor to be counted as a weak vessel since His strength is perfected in weakness.

 

[Stranger]

We will just have to disagree here, I guess. For me, and it is just my opinion only; but the woman God would have His eye on is believer(s). We all have been deceived the moment we take our first breath in the world until the Revelation of Jesus Christ reveals the truth and light of life. I also disagree with 'men-are- a little deceived but not near as much a woman can be. Sorry, Stranger. But that idea alone is deceptive; its birth and origin coming straight out of pride. But then again, maybe I am bias on the subject since I am a woman. For instance, I believe it is a honor to be counted as a weak vessel since His strength is perfected in weakness.

That's fine. But, you cannot change that Eve was deceived and Adam wasn't.

Stranger