Time to move on

[GodsGrace]

No, I disagree with that.
I believe there are roman catholics that saved even though they still worship Mary

I agree!
Many churches have incorrect doctrine but they're still Christian because they believe the basics. This is true of Catholics. They go beyond the bible but refer to the bible for their beliefs; however, they do believe in the primary concepts of Christianity.

 

[GodsGrace]

Sadly, this is far from accurate.

Why do YOU think you're a Christian?
What makes you be Christian?

 

[Nomad]

I like the Nicene Creed for the beliefs Christians should have. (325 AD)
There were too many heresies making the rounds, much as today, so it had to be established exactly what the Christian faith was to consist of. The Nicene Creed was the result.

I agree. When Jude references "the faith once delivered to the saints" he would have had a set of core beliefs in mind.

 

[GodsGrace]

I agree. When Jude references "the faith once delivered to the saints" he would have had a set of core beliefs in mind.

Absolutely.
If we continue to accept the anything goes policy just to fill up churches ...
easy believism. emergant churches ... Christianity will be so watered down it will be unrecognizable within the next couple of generations.

 

[APAK]

It's the problem of all of us if a person says he is a Christian and then believes doctrine that is not Christian.

I don't believe we can call ourselves Christian unless we believe in Christian doctrine. I don't mean that we're going to agree on every topic, but we have to have the basics down, as Jesus, Paul and the other writers meant us to have.

If this is not the case, then Christianity is lost. If we can believe what we want to and still be called Christian, then Christianity has lost all identity and it has been washed away and no longer exists.

GodsGrace:

(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (ESV)
(Rom 8:9) You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
(1Co 2:11) For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
(1Co 2:12) Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who (that) is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.


A believer in Christ has to first have Christ's spirit inside him/her to understand spiritual things of God. Teachings and doctrines flows from this....this is a Christian.

APAK

 

[GodsGrace]

GodsGrace:

(2Co 13:5) Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test! (ESV)
(Rom 8:9) You, however, are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if in fact the Spirit of God dwells in you. Anyone who does not have the Spirit of Christ does not belong to him.
(1Co 2:11) For who knows a person's thoughts except the spirit of that person, which is in him? So also no one comprehends the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
(1Co 2:12) Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who (that) is from God, that we might understand the things freely given us by God.


A believer in Christ has to first have Christ's spirit inside him/her to understand spiritual things of God. Teachings and doctrines flows from this....this is a Christian.

APAK

A believer of Krishna also has God's spirit in him and understands the things of God.
Teachings and doctrine flow from Krishna....
But he is not Christian.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

A believer of Krishna also has God's spirit in him and understands the things of God.
Teachings and doctrine flow from Krishna....
But he is not Christian.

That's insane.
Show me proof of that in Scripture?

 

[GodsGrace]

That's insane.
Show me proof of that in Scripture?

Proof of what?

 

[aspen]

No, I disagree with that.
I believe there are roman catholics that saved even though they still worship Mary

Don’t make me interrupt my rosary to correct you again....

 

[aspen]

Kirishna doesn’t exist, GG......shocked I had to tell you

 

[GodsGrace]

Kirishna doesn’t exist, GG......shocked I had to tell you

Yes. I'm very shocked.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Kirishna doesn’t exist, GG......shocked I had to tell you

For your information, Hari Krishnas are the largest sect of the Hindu religion.
Whether Hari Krishna ever existed or not doesn't matter to me.
But to say that God flows through Krishna is blasphemy.

 

[amadeus]

Here we go again...
Christianity cannot mean different things to different people.
There's set beliefs that make one a christian...if they don't have these beliefs they are not christian.

There is such a set of beliefs, but are they correctly embraced by any one traditional denomination or church group without error or mistake? I think not because even where the Holy Spirit been or is present in some believers, too many practice quenching the Spirit. Many church leaders teach people to quench Spirit of God and many of the people jump right on the bandwagon which is their death sentence.

Most, but not all, pew sitters are unwilling to take the time or make the effort to communicate with God for needed direction. They prefer to remain blind and deaf so long as they are comfortable for the moment. They trust their leaders to lead them the right way, but they have not checked in with God on every point as they should.

Even if all that is needed, according to God, is contained in the combined beliefs of all of the churches, without the direction of the Holy Spirit no one would ever be able to sift through it correctly. Too many people quench the Holy Spirit of God too much of the time so what men call Christianity is a place of confusion and our God is NOT the author of confusion. is why some believers in some church groups may make it while the majority in some or even all of those groups will not.

The answer for people lies in the Word of God [Jesus] and the Holy Spirit. The Bible alone will not give all that is needed without the Holy Spirit.

Of course all of this is as I see it. As long as any of us quench the Holy Spirit at any time how correct are we likely to be?

 

[GodsGrace]

Krishna | Hindu deity

 

[aspen]

There is such a set of beliefs, but are they correctly embraced by any one traditional denomination or church group without error or mistake? I think not because even where the Holy Spirit been or is present in some believers, too many practice quenching the Spirit. Many church leaders teach people to quench Spirit of God and many of the people jump right on the bandwagon which is their death sentence.

Most, but not all, pew sitters are unwilling to take the time or make the effort to communicate with God for needed direction. They prefer to remain blind and deaf so long as they are comfortable for the moment. They trust their leaders to lead them the right way, but they have not checked in with God on every point as they should.

Even if all that is needed, according to God, is contained in the combined beliefs of all of the churches, without the direction of the Holy Spirit no one would ever be able to sift through it correctly. Too many people quench the Holy Spirit of God too much of the time so what men call Christianity is a place of confusion and our God is NOT the author of confusion. is why some believers in some church groups may make it while the majority in some or even all of those groups will not.

The answer for people lies in the Word of God [Jesus] and the Holy Spirit. The Bible alone will not give all that is needed without the Holy Spirit.

Of course all of this is as I see it. As long as any of us quench the Holy Spirit at any time how correct are we likely to be?

I tend to think pewsitters get maligned quite a bit. Fact is, many are just tired of pewsitting clergy making promises and doling out guilt. If you are not plugged into the spirituality at church, you end up stuck in the mire of politics, getting jollied or guilted and slogging through other earthly affairs.

We tend to assign intentions to pewsitters.....i think they are acting pretty normal for people who are bored or just don’t understand.

 

[APAK]

A believer of Krishna also has God's spirit in him and understands the things of God.
Teachings and doctrine flow from Krishna....
But he is not Christian.

They are a mystical Hindu type of modalist believers....all forms of different gods are the same one god. They also believe in works for salvation.

There is no comparison, the spirit(s) with(in) them are of this world not of Abraham's God. They believe in reincarnation...

APAK

 

[amadeus]

I tend to think pewsitters get maligned quite a bit. Fact is, many are just tired of pewsitting clergy making promises and doling out guilt. If you are not plugged into the spirituality at church, you end up stuck in the mire of politics, getting jollied or guilted and slogging through other earthly affairs.

We tend to assign intentions to pewsitters.....i think they are acting pretty normal for people who are bored or just don’t understand.

While you are right about pewsitters being normal, is normal what God expects or requires? People who do nothing are simply dead. That was what Adam and Even did for themselves and their offspring. No Life for anyone who simply sits back and does nothing. There may more blame for the man at the pulpit who makes no effort or wrong efforts to move them, but they are still at the end of their road, dead.

What is the watchman's purpose?

"Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman's hand." Ezek 33:2-6

 

[GodsGrace]

They are a mystical Hindu type of modalist believers....all forms of different gods are the same one god. They also believe in works for salvation.

There is no comparison, the spirit(s) with(in) them are of this world not of Abraham's God. They believe in reincarnation...

APAK

Agreed.
I was just saying that they're not Christian.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Krishna | Hindu deity

Sounds like a real person to me

 

[GodsGrace]

Sounds like a real person to me

It was a real person, a teacher sent by God that appeared at that time for those people.
They attributed to him qualities from different deity.