It doesn't disturb me as much as some other doctrines.
Why do you think it's dangerous?
Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy
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Why do you think it's dangerous?
Absolutely not. However, Sabbath breakers as well as all believers who sin will be judged and lose rewards in the Kingdom.
We are to love God 24/7. We simply are not permitted to work on the 7th day Sabbath.
Great post except for the following statement which I don't wish to discuss in this thread so as not to derail it.
"And because we are transformed into the image of Christ, would it also not be in conformity to the law that Christ wrote on the tables of stone, and which He now writes on the tables of our hearts?"
He does cover for our past sins, but tells us, 'go and sin no more'. We will not be held guiltless if we had at our hands the means by which we can discern truth. Wilful ignorance is not covered. There is light in Jesus, and in the Bible. If we do not avail ourselves of this light, then Jesus does not excuse our laziness. "Study to show thyself approved". So long as we have the scriptures to teach and guide, there is no real excuse for misunderstanding.
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Really??? You must not be aware of 2 Timothy 3:16-17!!!
You do err, of course, it does! This is exactly my argument and point. You will find that the word “week” in all of these texts: Matt 28:1; 1 Cor. 16:2; Mark 16:2; Acts 20:7, is the Greek word “sabaton” (Sabbaths) which is a plural word.
To “see” this proof, erase the word “day” (not in the original manuscripts) and replace the word “week” with “sabaton” from the above Scriptures.
Great! Now you are touching upon the very crux of the whole matter. Is there a spiritual significance in the stoning of the man who picked up sticks on the Sabbath day in Numbers 15? If so, what were they?
And, is there a spiritual significance in the “rest” the believers have in Jesus? If so, what are they?
I thought you had something new to add when I asked you to expound on Acts 13:42, 44. But you are like the rest. What a waste of 32 years of studying the 4th Commandment with nothing to show for. The guy that you listened to when you were younger was a blind leader. So sorry for you. Seems Satan is winning the war but I know better.
Again, you failed to understand Scriptures. The term “next ” in Acts 13:42, 44 is the Greek word meaning “between.” Go ahead check me out and see if I am wrong. Indeed the next sabbath in between the Seventh Day Sabbaths would have been the Sunday Sabbath just as Matthew 28 have declared.
To God Be The Glory
No it is a covenant between God and the Israelite which you have " stolen' or added yourself top. Our covenant is with Christ by His works on the cross, God never made a covenant with us in the hold,
Act 11:5 I was in the city of Joppa praying: and in a trance I saw a vision, A certain vessel descend, as it had been a great sheet, let down from heaven by four corners; and it came even to me:
Act 11:6 Upon the which when I had fastened mine eyes, I considered, and saw fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
Act 11:7 And I heard a voice saying unto me, Arise, Peter; slay and eat.
Act 11:8 But I said, Not so, Lord: for nothing common or unclean hath at any time entered into my mouth.
Act 11:9 But the voice answered me again from heaven, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.
See thats how we came to God by Jesus, Really is not that hard.
God bless
As obviously as the text contained no ‘Saturday’, it contained no ‘era’. At the time of the writing of Matthew there was no ‘era of Saturday Sabbaths’, so no ‘era of Saturday Sabbaths’ could have ‘come to an end’ in 28:1. Therefore you have it correctly, that ‘it cannot be seen in the English Bible translations’ either. Chances are 100% that God allowed this true translation found in all English Bibles from Wycliffe and Tyndale up to the first ever ‘miss-translation’ of it in the English language in the mid 20th century in the NIV.
Q~The word “Sabbath” in Greek is the plural word “sabaton” and note the word “week” is also the identical plural Greek word “sabaton.”~Q
Good! The word “week”, actually, is the same Plural Greek word, ‘Sabbatohn’. Yes, by itself therefore, whether Plural like in Matthew 28:1 ‘Sabbátohn’, or Singular like in Luke 6:1 ‘Sabbátohi’, the Greek word ‘sabbaton’ in the New Testament by itself, means the “Sabbath”—the “Sabbath-of-the-week” or “the day The Seventh Day Sabbath” as in Hebrews 4:4 et al.
Therefore, that ‘the word “week” is singular in the English language’ is correct, and not at all is contrary the Plural Greek word ‘Sabbatohn’, so that “Sabbath (of the week)” renders the historic, true and new, Christian meaning of the Plural Greek word ‘Sabbatohn’ in Matthew 28:1 just perfectly! The Plural Greek word ‘Sabbatohn’ in Matthew 28:1 means “On the Sabbath” or “In the Sabbath” or “Sabbath’s-time” or “of the Sabbath Day” and cannot and may not be translated ‘after the Sabbath’ or ‘era of Saturday Sabbaths’ as an escapism from reality and truth. “The Sabbath’s Daytime” is as clear and evident in the English language as it is clear and evident in the Greek text.
In which translation or version did you find that ‘the translators italicized the word “day”’?
On what grounds do you claim ‘that the word “day” was not in the original manuscripts’ when the very ‘word “Sabbath” in Greek is the plural word “sabaton”’?
Who, not ‘perhaps’ but certainly, ‘had no idea how to make of this problematic verse’, so he left out the word “day” needed for proper translation, and changed the original word ‘Sabbattohn’ meaning “of the (weekly) Sabbath Day”, into ‘era of Saturday Sabbaths’? We know this is not done and plainly ‘against the rules’!
So since we all sin where all going to hell.
Such wonderfull news for God.
God bless
What was it that gave you your idea of what ‘the nature of the Seventh Day Sabbath was’, that ‘we’, are ‘not to do any kind of work’ on it? It is not what we are to do or not to do on it that gives the Sabbath its ‘nature’! But for argument’s sake, say it was, then are we now, according to you, finding ourselves in a whole new ‘era’ of ‘not to do any kind of work’ but to ‘study the Bible, write letters to love ones and tell them about the Gospel, visit hospitals or prisons to share Gospel, attend service at church, have Bible studies, give our tithes, and so forth’? And who is going to do the real work meanwhile? The poor unsaved devils?
But haven’t you JUST ABOVE, quoting Isaiah 58:13-14, claimed, Q~The nature of the Seventh Day Sabbath was not to do any kind of work. By contrast, the Sunday Sabbath is to do work. "Spiritual work" that is as God declared in Isaiah 58:13-14!~Q Is Isaiah 58:13-14 about ‘the Sunday’ or does it say, “If thou turn away thy foot from : the Sabbath”!?
Guess whom am I going to believe? O my o my what you think? Grappie? Not even qualmish.
You got the idea of an in between sabbath from no one but from me, Gerhard Ebersoehn. GOD KNOWS. Come judgement day Lord Jesus, Come!
But how have you perverted and mangled it! Not beyond recognition but a priori before and beyond recognition!
Because in verse 42 only is it written of "the in between sabbath" - 'to metaksu sabbaton' before "on the next Sabbath Day for to come together" normally, viz., "on the WEEKLY Sabbath Day", verse 44, 'tohi ERXOMENOHI Sabbatohi', AND THAT, the "Coming-together" of the HEATHEN believers "TO HEAR THE WORD OF GOD ON THE SABBATH".
GOD COME JUDGE QUICKLY!
Yes, starting in verse 1 with the historical coincidental Resurrection events
YES, 'It does not make sense that Matt 28:1 is only speaking of the feast days of the crucifixion week, the one is a High Holy Day and the other the Seventh Day Sabbath.' YES, 'It doesn’t make sense', because the second following phrase reads: “as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week”, NOT 'the first of the Sabbaths'!
You, like Gadar Perets, have NO INKLING of NT and Christian, Koineh Greek IDIOM, that's why!
Be it willful ignorance or not, I was taught all my life that we worship on Sunday because that's when Jesus was resurrected. It's not until recently that I started to mull this over. The excuse for misunderstanding is that we're human.
Calvinists misunderstsand too, but I don't believe they're going to hell based on their doctrine.
So are you saying that all this depends on the interpretation for Mathew 28:1-2???
I could find out lickity split.
Yes, I also was taught the same. But the moment I was shown how the change came about...that in the beginning only the Roman and Alexandrian churches honored Sunday, and everywhere else still honored the Sabbath, and that change came not through careful and prayerful Bible study but through compulsion and persecution, then the decision was easy.
I see scripture speaking of the first day of the week. As in John 20:1, the first day of the week was Sunday, not Saturday.
I know this is more complicated than I understand, but I am going to ask someone who will know what Mathew 28:1 is all about. It says Sabbaths twice -- I'm going to find out what it says in the original koine Greek.
This is why we worship on Sunday.
However, it does seem to me that we ARE breaking a commandment --- to worship on the Sabbath.
...saying which it is obvious you must know more than God because God neither let Matthew write the words or ideas 'the era of past Sabbaths' and 'the dawning of a new era of Sabbaths coming in the horizon' in 28:1-4, only of the great earthquake that "came" and the angel of the Lord that "cast the stone away from the tomb and (literally went and) SAT ON IT" while the guard lay strewn around "LIKE DEAD... ON THE SABBATH in the mid-afternoon daylight before (not during) the First Day of the week".
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