Remember the Sabbath Day to keep it holy

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The Old Covenant was man's chance to obtain righteousness by the deeds of the law. failing that, it is God's turn.

I believe NONE of this!

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

So for christians to be guiltless for profaning the sabbath day, shows God's victory in that we are His people by faith in Jesus Christ. That is His glory.

NO! For God's victory and forgiveness, believers are forgiven their guilt for profaning the Sabbath Day -- just like they are forgiven their guilt for profaning any other Commandment, so that nothing than their forgiveness through God's Victory for Christ's sake by the Power of his Resurrection which is God's Glory, '~shows~' that they are "the People of God FOR (whom) keeping the Sabbath Rest Day remains" both privilege and duty '~by faith in Jesus Christ~'.

PS
If you don't like the Sabbath or keeping or believing the Sabbath, no one can tell you not to. 'It is your choice' as they say. Just don't try base your dislike or whatever on the Scriptures; it does not work that way and does not look good.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Explain why none of the seven churches in Revelation was admonished in the prophesied latter days for not keeping the sabbath day when it is so prevalent today? Even the 2 churches that were "good", neither one was praised for keeping the sabbath day.

Why would any congregations be made a fuss of for having kept the Sabbath? It was the universal 'in' thing.

 

[mjrhealth]

Scriptural position that the 7th day Sabbath rest is for believers today.

No she just doesnt like listening to garbage that can undermine her walk with God, , this bit

Mat_7:6 Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.

and this bit

Mar_6:11 And whosoever shall not receive you, nor hear you, when ye depart thence, shake off the dust under your feet for a testimony against them. Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Sodom and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.

God bless

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Collins says 'defer' is to yield to, so I don't know what '~defer from sabbath day keepers under the Old Covenant~' is.
And since when or how does '~By faith in Jesus Christ~' mean '~not ... keeping the sabbath day~'? "IF JESUS GAVE THEM REST keeping the Sabbath Day THEREFORE remains for the People of God." THERE is God's New Testament and New and Everlasting Covenant Sabbath Day!

So HOW "did Jesus give them Rest"? "God, by raising Christ from the dead ... gave HIM to the Church as Head."

Jesus is our resting place under the New Covenant. Not the sabbath day for why we are guiltless.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I believe NONE of this!

I reckon you are thinking you will be glorifying yourself in His presence as a sabbath day keeper then.

It is either you that is being glorified in Heaven or Him. Not both since no flesh shall glory in His Presence, but then again, only Jesus can help you see that resting place in Jesus Christ for why we are guiltless for profaning the sabbath day.

 

[gadar perets]

If you are suggesting or have in mind Colossians 2:16-17, these verses are Old Testament rituals!

They are New Testament holy days. You misunderstand Colossians 2.

"No one", in verse 16, refers to people outside the Body of Messiah. Look at the context of Colossians 2. In verses 4 and 8 Paul warns the Colossians about deceivers. Then again, in verse 18, Paul gives his final warning about these same deceivers. In what way were they trying to deceive the Colossians? Verse 8 tells us that they were trying to exalt the traditions of men over the Messiah (verses 8 & 19). Notice carefully the context; the traditions of men in verse 8, 18, and 22. The verses that occur between 8 and 22 must be understood based on the context of the traditions of men.

It was the deceivers of verses 4, 8, and 18 that were judging the Colossians regarding the things mentioned in verse 16. They had been imposing their man-made commandments and traditions upon the Colossians. Paul told them not to allow anyone to judge them concerning those matters. An important addition was made in the KJV that does not appear in any Greek manuscript. The word "is" in verse 17 was added, which changes the meaning of Paul's statement. That is why it is written in italics. Retaining the word "is" implies the thought of shadow vs. reality. In other words, Messiah fulfilled the shadow of the things mentioned in verse 16. However, if you remove the added word "is", it implies that we should not let any man outside the Body of Messiah judge us in respect to these things. Indeed that is in line with the context of Paul's previous statements. Notice Colossians 1:18 & 24 and Colossians 2:19, all of which teach us that the Body of Messiah is the church or all true believers.

Verse 17 states that these things "are" a shadow of things "to come" not that they "were" a shadow that was now fulfilled. Paul wrote this epistle approximately 30 years after Messiah's death and resurrection and yet he still spoke of them as unfulfilled shadows of something in the future.

So, what we have in Colossians 2 is an assembly of NT believers in Colossae who were keeping the holy feast days and the weekly Sabbath, but who were being deceived by outsiders to keep those days according to the traditions of those outsiders. Paul warns them not to give heed to them. They were to continue observing those days as they had been before the deceivers showed up.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

NO! For God's victory and forgiveness, believers are forgiven their guilt for profaning the Sabbath Day -- just like they are forgiven their guilt for profaning any other Commandment, so that nothing than their forgiveness through God's Victory for Christ's sake by the Power of his Resurrection which is God's Glory, '~shows~' that they are "the People of God FOR (whom) keeping the Sabbath Rest Day remains" both privilege and duty '~by faith in Jesus Christ~'.

PS
If you don't like the Sabbath or keeping or believing the Sabbath, no one can tell you not to. 'It is your choice' as they say. Just don't try base your dislike or whatever on the Scriptures; it does not work that way and does not look good.

There are enough scripture for which you are showing your dislike in believing it has anything to do with why believers are not entitled to keep the commandment of the sabbath day.

Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand. 5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind. 6 He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.

There is no exception given if believers were to regard the sabbath day still. Do not try to wiggle out of it by saying it is about eating when there are 2 subjects being broached here which includes judging any one for regarding a day or not regarding a day and that has to include the sabbath day.

You guys even wiggle out of Colossians 2 below in overlooking the obvious there as well.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it. 16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Sabbath days means the annual sabbath and the weekly sabbath. To avoid confusion, Paul would have pointed out to believers that they were still to keep the weekly sabbath but he did not. Indeed, even for regarding a holyday would be what the sabbath day is, no one is to judge any man by it.

These are the 2 references in scripture that finds your teaching of keeping the sabbath day wanting.

And your obvious disregarding of why and how Jesus was defending His disciples in Matthew 12:1-8 by giving 2 examples where the O.T. saints WERE PROFANING the sabbath day but were guiltless because they were in the Temple and Jesus referred to Himself in explaining why His disciples were guiltless and that was because He was with them.

So you are basically telling Jesus that Him being in me is not good enough for my profaning the sabbath day. That's voiding faith in Him, brother.

 

[mjrhealth]

2Ti 3:1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2Ti 3:2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
2Ti 3:3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
2Ti 3:4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

God bless

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Why would any congregations be made a fuss of for having kept the Sabbath? It was the universal 'in' thing.

Revelation is about the state of the church in the latter days for which God is addressing them to prepare themselves or else and I doubt there will be any great revival that will get all christian denominational churches into keeping the sabbath day, and yet not one church is rebuked for not keeping teh sabbath day in preparing themselves in meeting the Bridegroom.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Collins says 'defer' is to yield to, so I don't know what '~defer from sabbath day keepers under the Old Covenant~' is.

Defer is to put off to a later time or postpone. Probably not quite the right word for what I am trying to say, but neither was yours as if meaning to yield

How do we appear different from sabbath day keepers under the Old Covenant? By faith in Jesus Christ, not by keeping the sabbath day.

That is what I had meant to say. Sorry for using the wrong word.

 

[gadar perets]

Explain why none of the seven churches in Revelation was admonished in the prophesied latter days for not keeping the sabbath day when it is so prevalent today? Even the 2 churches that were "good", neither one was praised for keeping the sabbath day.

I already addressed this.

Point is; for converted Jews that are supposed to stone to death those profaning the sabbath, there has to be something written for future generations of believers and converted Jews into not stoning christians to death under the New Covenant for profaning the sabbath.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith YHWH And again, YHWH shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.​

I am not in rebellion when I recognize why Jesus Christ in me, has me guiltless for profaning the sabbath day. I recognize that I am His people by faith in Jesus Christ; not by keeping the sabbath day wherein men can boast and have boasted in exalting themselves over other christians.

Sabbath keepers are YHWH's people by faith in Yeshua as well. I don't boast about my Sabbath keeping. I educate others as to why NC believers should be keeping it.

If no flesh shall glory in His Presence, then how can a self proclaimed sabbath day keeper be raptured?

There is no such thing as a rapture. All will be resurrected from the dead, but that is a topic for another thread.

And how can christian Jews tell themselves apart from non-christian Jews if they both keep the sabbath day? How can they be a witness of the New Covenant if there is no difference from the Old Covenant in appearance when non-christian Jews keep the sabbath day to obtain salvation? In the eyes of the non-christian Jews, the faith of christian Jews in Jesus Christ that they are saved apart from the law is null and void when they believe they have to keep the sabbath day as they do to avoid sinning against God.

You sound just like those deceived believers who were so fearful of being persecuted like the Jews were that they abandoned any appearance of being like a Jew by forsaking the Sabbaths and Feasts and eating unclean animal flesh.

So tell me; how can christian Jews tell themselves apart from non-christian Jews if they both honor their parents? Your argument is absurd.

Romans 3:26 To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus. 27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith. 28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

For the Gentiles to keep the law of the sabbath as the Jews are doing under the Old Covenant gives a doubting testimony of them being saved by faith in Jesus Christ apart from the law.

Only in the eyes of people like you who refuse to obey YHWH's laws.

I noticed you did not include Romans 3:29-31;

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.​

The law is established (not abolished) through faith. It is made to stand. That law includes the Sabbath.

It is one thing not to do evil but keeping the sabbath day was what separated the Jews from representing God under the Old Covenant to the world in what they had to do in order to obtain salvation by as His people. That can never be under the New Covenant, because then how can any one know if a Jew truly converted or not to resting in Him that they are saved by faith in Jesus Christ?

We know a Jew converted by his confession that Yeshua the Messiah is his Master and Savior and by his public baptism. Obeying YHWH's commandments is simply one of the fruits of that salvation by faith in Yeshua.

 

[gadar perets]

I don't answer to self-appointed, putative little popes excommunicating and incarcerating by shunning members of the Body of Christ's Own. To call such revilement of one's equals in everything in sin, a '~judicial system under the NC~', is nothing short of blasphemous audacity.

I don't excommunicate or shun anyone unless the church agrees (Matthew 18).

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I already addressed this.

Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith YHWH And again, YHWH shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.​

Sabbath keepers are YHWH's people by faith in Yeshua as well. I don't boast about my Sabbath keeping. I educate others as to why NC believers should be keeping it.


There is no such thing as a rapture. All will be resurrected from the dead, but that is a topic for another thread.


You sound just like those deceived believers who were so fearful of being persecuted like the Jews were that they abandoned any appearance of being like a Jew by forsaking the Sabbaths and Feasts and eating unclean animal flesh.

So tell me; how can christian Jews tell themselves apart from non-christian Jews if they both honor their parents? Your argument is absurd.


Only in the eyes of people like you who refuse to obey YHWH's laws.

I noticed you did not include Romans 3:29-31;

Rom 3:29 Is he the God of the Jews only? is he not also of the Gentiles? Yes, of the Gentiles also:
Rom 3:30 Seeing it is one God, which shall justify the circumcision by faith, and uncircumcision through faith.
Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.​

The law is established (not abolished) through faith. It is made to stand. That law includes the Sabbath.


We know a Jew converted by his confession that Yeshua the Messiah is his Master and Savior and by his public baptism. Obeying YHWH's commandments is simply one of the fruits of that salvation by faith in Yeshua.

Jesus fulfilled the law and He did defend His disciples that the Pharisees were trying to judge as guilty as profaning the sabbath because He was with them for why they were not guilty.

So explain why the in those 2 examples that Jesus has given about saints in the O.T. that DID PROFANE the sabbath but were guiltless because they were in the Temple. Otherwise you are not understanding what Jesus was saying in Matthew 12:1-8.

I hope others are prying for you because only Jesus can help you see the truth why He is Lord of the Sabbath.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

I keep it the way the Spirit leads me under the New Covenant. I don't keep it according to the man made rules of Judaism. Yes, I drive my car on Sabbath to get to the Sabbath service that YHWH commands me to attend.

So you have your own interpretation on how to keep the Sabbath.
That doesn't impress me.

 

[gadar perets]

So explain why the in those 2 examples that Jesus has given about saints in the O.T. that DID PROFANE the sabbath but were guiltless because they were in the Temple. Otherwise you are not understanding what Jesus was saying in Matthew 12:1-8.

I already addressed this as well, but I'll add to it. You say the priests were guiltless because they were in the temple. Yet, in Matthew 21:12, the moneychangers and those that sold doves were also in the temple. If they were guiltless, why did Yeshua drive them out with a whip? It is obvious your doctrine that all are guiltless if their sin is committed in the temple is false. The priests were guiltless, not because they were in the temple, but because YHWH commanded them to do the work. The same holds true for circumcising on the Sabbath. Such work was permitted on Sabbath because YHWH commanded them to do it on the 8th day whether it fell on a Sabbath or not.

 

[gadar perets]

So you have your own interpretation on how to keep the Sabbath.
That doesn't impress me.

I am not interested in impressing you. I am interested in pleasing my Heavenly Father by obeying Him.

 

[Triumph1300]

I am interested in pleasing my Heavenly Father by obeying Him.

And what if you don't?

 

[gadar perets]

And what if you don't?

Then I confess my sin and ask for forgiveness through Yeshua's shed blood. Then I endeavor to not commit the same sin again (repentance).

 

[mjrhealth]

Rom 4:1 What shall we say then that Abraham our father, as pertaining to the flesh, hath found?
Rom 4:2 For if Abraham were justified by works, he hath whereof to glory; but not before God.
Rom 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.
Rom 4:4 Now to him that worketh is the reward not reckoned of grace, but of debt.
Rom 4:5 But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 4:6 Even as David also describeth the blessedness of the man, unto whom God imputeth righteousness without works,
Rom 4:7 Saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Rom 4:8 Blessed is the man to whom the Lord will not impute sin.

because

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
Rom 6:2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
Rom 6:3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Rom 6:4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
Rom 6:5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:
Rom 6:6 Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.
Rom 6:7 For he that is dead is freed from sin.
Rom 6:8 Now if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with him:
Rom 6:9 Knowing that Christ being raised from the dead dieth no more; death hath no more dominion over him.
Rom 6:10 For in that he died, he died unto sin once: but in that he liveth, he liveth unto God.
Rom 6:11 Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thats for today not for tomorrow.