Philip James
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Hi Willie,
What did i post that you don't understand?
Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!
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Well, I was just wondering how Christ did that "reigning." Could you explain that a little more?Hi Willie,
What did i post that you don't understand?
Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!
Well, the [new] earth has a future, but not this present earth, and not the world, for His kingdom is "not of this world." So, when He comes for us ("each in our own order") so "that where He is we might be also", that means we are no longer in the world or upon this old earth. But those who perish do not go...which means that as we exit (day by day) things just get worse until the end.Would you mind elaborating on that a bit more? Didn't God say all that He created was good, and that this world was ours to care for?
Huh?
Well, I was just wondering howHi Willie,
What did i post that you don't understand?
Christ IS risen!
Alleluia!
What were priests for? No need for them if they were not supposed to represent men.We where never meant to have men "rule" over us, we where always supposed to walk in "Love". Having hierarchies does nothing but make slaves of men, always has, always will. That is why Jesus said,
Mar 10:40 But to sit on my right hand and on my left hand is not mine to give; but it shall be given to them for whom it is prepared.
Mar 10:41 And when the ten heard it, they began to be much displeased with James and John.
Mar 10:42 But Jesus called them to him, and saith unto them, Ye know that they which are accounted to rule over the Gentiles exercise lordship over them; and their great ones exercise authority upon them.
Mar 10:43 But so shall it not be among you: but whosoever will be great among you, shall be your minister:
see they all wanted position, Jesus gave them none.
Well, I was just wondering how Christ did that "reigning." Could you explain that a little more?
Wouldn't that require that there is just supposed to be only a certain, predetermined number of Christians, and that God's word was not bringing hundreds, or even thousands, more each day?Well, the [new] earth has a future, but not this present earth, and not the world, for His kingdom is "not of this world." So, when He comes for us ("each in our own order") so "that where He is we might be also", that means we are no longer in the world or upon this old earth. But those who perish do not go...which means that as we exit (day by day) things just get worse until the end.
ah, there's the prob then i guessThe study was of eschatology
We where not supposed to have priests. the disciples where supposed to spread the word of God, not build churches as men do. After pentecost, men where supposed to receive and be led by the Spirit, but they would rather follow after men because it takes no faith and is easier.Well, I was just wondering how
What were priests for? No need for them if they were not supposed to represent men.
You might be right there. Few people see escalatory as running all the way through the Bible like I do, from Genesis to Revelation.ah, there's the prob then i guess
eschatology is for crystal-ball-gazers and oracles imoYou might be right there. Few people see escalatory as running all the way through the Bible like I do, from Genesis to Revelation.
That's what I mean. Most people see it at something yet to happen. And I see it as something being worked out as God planned... even before we were created.eschatology is for crystal-ball-gazers and oracles imo
today has enough trouble in it
I think some of you may be missing the point of the question posed.
The study was of eschatology, and the way that most Christians say that there is no hope for Christian leadership of this world because Satan controls it and the world is destined to fall into depravity until Jesus comes back to establish an Earthly kingdom in Jerusalem. They say then, and only then, when Jesus "rules with a rod of iron", will any semblance of Christian government be seen in this world.
The question was: "Why do we have to wait until Jesus comes, when Satan can. and does, rule this world without ever actually being here or setting up a headquarters in any city of Earth......... but some say God has to first have that.
Is the call to force OUR ideas on others, or to let the gospel (that we are to tell) change their thinking?Hi Willie...seriously great, and interesting question you've posed here!
I think you are very right... there is no reason at all that we, children of God, who have the Holy Spirit, cannot shape the world into a better place.
The real question would be... why is it not happening?
And I think, perhaps, the answer was touched on by VictoryinJesus. Like our Saviour, it is not for us to set up an god honoring kingdom and bring a 'golden age' upon the earth. Jesus calls us to echo him and take us our cross, following him into a life of service, humility and very possible persecution.
Let me ask a question: what does it take to set up a kingdom? The bible tells us "a rod of iron". We know the last truly good biblical King, David, was such a warrior that God did not want him building his temple. Perhaps (and this is just my musing), the two are at odds at this point in time. What God wants from his people now, is different. Jesus' first coming is how we are to emulate him. His second coming, when he comes to rule? That will be with a rod of iron.
I'm speculating, of course, but it just seems to me that while Christians can certainly stand firm, and stand up for what they think to be right; increasingly, it would take aggressive and almost violent actions to be able to force our beliefs on others. Is that who we are? Who God calls us to be in this age?
Is the call to force OUR ideas on others, or to let the gospel (that we are to tell) to change their thinking?
while I cannot deny that I too, long for Christ's return, I have to say that I don't see the bible calling for a building towards a marvelous age of spiritual revival led by Christians. No... I see it calling for endurance, and encouraging us to run the race to the end with faithfulness. And I think, if we step back and look at this from a distance, this is not defeatism, but God building up the scene for such an end that his Glory will radiate through the Universe like never before.
If I understand your question correctly. Yes, the number is written in the books, limit in advance, i.e. predetermine—determined before hand, ordained, or predestined.Wouldn't that require that there is just supposed to be only a certain, predetermined number of Christians, and that God's word was not bringing hundreds, or even thousands, more each day?
Ohhh yes, stepping back, looking forward. Too often my small subjective view blurs or stunts the bigger picture yet as I read in Revelation of millions upon millions of angels and the saved singing and extolling God's rightness I am lifted from the temporal to the eternal. I'm reminded of Paul's prayer that our eyes might be opened that we might see the great value of the gift given us.
Don't you love Revelation? I know it's quite controversial because of all the different views that people have about it, but when you push that aside for a bit...how often does the book let us get a sneak peek into heaven, at the worship going on at the Throne! Some people see it as scary, or there's too much judgement going on it...and I just see it as wonderful and reassuring. In the end, God wins. Jesus will be praised, he'll rule the nations, and there won't be any evil or sadness. I can get behind that. No wonder Revelation is the most "sung" book in the bible!