A Blood-Soaked Path Through History

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epostle1

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No Such Thing As Roman Catholic Inquisition And Torture?
That's not what I said. Try the quote feature and quote from any of my well documented links and stop being such a coward.

Just As There Was No Jewish Holocaust, Or Armenian Genocide :)
There were 3 million Polish Catholics killed within the Jewish holocaust, that you know little or nothing about, and the Armenian genocide was committed by the Ottoman government that you know nothing about. Here is a link to wikipedia that you love so much: Armenian Genocide - Wikipedia Here is a link from wikipedia on the Polish Catholics killed, because you are too arrogant to accept any other source.

How many Catholics were killed in the Holocaust

Aren't you getting tired of your anti-Catholic psychosis getting refuted repeatedly? Does the Holy Spirit inspire your gospel of hate? Do you admire Hitler for killing 3 million Catholics? It wouldn't surprise me, you are very sick, and a forum sadist.
 
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Then, maybe YOU should heed her words . . .
I have, no since in arguing over and over, you have a set belief as seen, we will leave it there, I have said my piece on the subject of Roman Catholicism.
 
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Triple 7 speaks of millions murdered by Roman Catholicism.

I speak of the BILLIONS. Remember my post,
More souls than people on earth today have been killed with a crown sized wafer.
Why I am not Catholic.

It is amazing how lightly and slighting Catholics regard human lives and life, yet conveniently forgetful they, with hearts of ice and largest loudest mouths, shout Love! And what's worse, shout, Like Christ!

I am not talking of past millennia; I mean and refer to at present, to the whole world's Christianity of church, culture and state.

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…and social media.
lies6t6 and you are sick sadists and I don't think your gospel of hate is welcome in this forum.
OK everybody, time to use the report button (for all the good it does, since the moderators ignore my reports)
 
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I have, no since in arguing over and over, you have a set belief as seen, we will leave it there, I have said my piece on the subject of Roman Catholicism.
I am glad you are finally taking your anti-psychotic medication.
 

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I have, no since in arguing over and over, you have a set belief as seen, we will leave it there, I have said my piece on the subject of Roman Catholicism.
No - you've said your piece on Catholicism.
You STILL don't understand what "Roman" Catholic means.
 

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Matt. 26:28, Luke 22:20
"This IS by blood."
This, '~"This IS my blood."~, is a lie and nothing than a lie.
Moses' blood-of-the-covenant was the life-blood of sacrifices, but Jesus' "blood-OF-THE-COVENANT", "This", was not his blood, but the wine or "fruit of the vine" which He gave his disciples in a cup to drink of.

In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the newly born Lutheran Popelings, may receive the cup. So '~the blood of Jesus IS~' 99,999% heresy and 00,001% halve water halve wine... enough B.L.O.O.D. to kick a big fuzz up about.
 
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This, '~"This IS my blood."~, is a lie and nothing than a lie.
Moses' blood-of-the-covenant was the life-blood of sacrifices, but Jesus' "blood-OF-THE-COVENANT", "This", was not his blood, but the wine or "fruit of the vine" which He gave his disciples in a cup to drink from.

In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the new Lutheran Catholics, may receive the cup. So the '~the blood of Jesus IS~' 99,999% heresy and 00,001% halve water halve wine... enough to kick a big fuzz up about.
Not only is this absolute nonsense - this is a blatant LIE.
ALL Catholics in a state of grace and not in mortal sin may receive from the cup.

How do I know this? Because I am an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and not only do I partake of the cup - I offer it to everybody in line.

Jesus didn't say, "This is a mere 'symbol' of my Body" or "This is just a "metaphorical example" of my blood."
He said, "This IS my body" and "This IS my blood."

Too bad YOU refuse to take Him at His word - like the ones who left Him in John 6:66 . . .
 

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WHY????
They will never ever change...they have made their choice and are happy with it.
By the number of posts you have made here it is a wee bit early to be championing this cause....when it has gone on and on , in almost every thread for years, it gets very tiresome.
God has so many good and encouraging things to say to us...yet so many choose to not posts those things...or anything which edifies and builds up...but they get side tracked and end up leaving because they get bogged down with the circular arguments ...they are always circular...there is never ever, ever, ever a winner.
Paul warns us about useless unfruitful arguments.

...as I say...another two people left this site this week...and one a few weeks back , because of so many silly arguments in almost every thread with the Catholics. ( I know because they PM'ed me)
Well, last time I looked , it takes two to argue.
If the protestants kept there mouth shut and posted something worth while, then the Catholics would not be blamed for dominating the Site.
It is the Protestants that keep all the arguments going.
Just like the guy who started yet another one right here...AGAIN ...WHY?
It is HE which wants to talk about the Catholics , not them.
Now he "could have" started some nice interesting uplifting , spiritual thread that would bless visitors or those here...but no...'lets bash the Catholics again, it's more fun.'
Plus, it takes much less spiritual effort, ...in fact it takes none at all.
In every warfare, the enemy is delighted to get people distracted "over -there" on useless projects...because that keeps them busy, and stops them in any forward progress.
I have two wonderful children who love and serve the Lord ( in their mid fifties now) ...and 4 grandchildren. I can honestly say not once when they were all growing up, did I think that focussing on "those bad , wicked ,Catholics" , would help them grow one nth degree spiritually, or cause them to love the Lord more, stronger, or better.
I taught , talked ,and lived in the good things of God.
When our constant focus ( and it sure is constant on this Site!) is always on the negative, thinking negative ,posting the negative....rather than the good things of God , His Plan, and Word...the atmosphere becomes negative and no longer spiritually up-lifting or edifying.
But.....
Each to their own...enjoy yourself. :)
Good stuff, Bygrace!

I really didn't want to respond to this thread and give it more publicity. But after reading your comnents, II'd like to share another thought.

There is no doubt the inquisition happened. It was terrible. There was a counter inquisition by protestants and it too was terrible.

Then there is this:

List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II - Wikipedia

The above link describes the various apologies made by Pope John Paul II. It includes the inquisition and many other things the Catholic Church found itself involved in.
That being said... It happened and an apology was given.

So what now? What do we do about something that for the most part is centuries passed and an apology was given, and thus forgiveness was asked for? What else is the Catholic Church supposed to do? Not to mention that Pope John Paul, pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger... Who is mention in the article and has also been accused of a dubious past) as well as BoL, Epostle1, Kelpha and every other Catholic had nothing to do with it! I don't expect any of them to apologize for it because they didn't do it and their spokesman issued an apology 20 years ago.

About the only thing I can fault them for is not pointing to that more often. But they shouldn't have to.

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Should we forget the history? Of course not. But there are certain facts:

1. It is no longer happening.
2. It was apologized for and I assume they seek forgiveness
3. Today's Catholics from their pulpits to the Pope had nothing to do with it.
4. That bit from Matt 6 applies to you as the forgiver and to them who long ago asked.

So, what are you going to do? Forgive or keep bringing it up when they did what was necessary to rid themselves of that sin?

Here is a gift to Catholics: there actually was a counter inquisition and plenty of backlash that was just as bloody. It even happened on North American soil. Possibly in the United States. Has there been an apology for that? I mean... There may have been. I just can't find the right key words to plug into google to find it!

Bottom line: History is in the past and today's Catholic should not be held responsible for something they had no part in. Especially when they asked for forgiveness.
 

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This, '~"This IS my blood."~, is a lie and nothing than a lie.
Moses' blood-of-the-covenant was the life-blood of sacrifices, but Jesus' "blood-OF-THE-COVENANT", "This", was not his blood, but the wine or "fruit of the vine" which He gave his disciples in a cup to drink of.

In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the newly born Lutheran Popelings, may receive the cup. So '~the blood of Jesus IS~' 99,999% heresy and 00,001% halve water halve wine... enough B.L.O.O.D. to kick a big fuzz up about.
The cup is available to all, this has been explained repeatedly on this forum. You are a sadist and you should stop playing with Ouija boards .

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Not only is this absolute nonsense - this is a blatant LIE.
ALL Catholics in a state of grace and not in mortal sin may receive from the cup.

How do I know this? Because I am an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion and not only do I partake of the cup - I offer it to everybody in line.

Jesus didn't say, "This is a mere 'symbol' of my Body" or "This is just a "metaphorical example" of my blood."
He said, "This IS my body" and "This IS my blood."

Too bad YOU refuse to take Him at His word - like the ones who left Him in John 6:66 . . .

Again... '~He said, "This IS my body" and "This IS my blood."~' is a lie. The quotation marks are a lie; the full stop, is a lie; halve or less Jesus' words, is a lie; halve the recorder's facts, is a lie. And your duplication of the same lie, is the same lie, duplicated, but just, the same lie.
 

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Good stuff, Bygrace!

I really didn't want to respond to this thread and give it more publicity. But after reading your comnents, II'd like to share another thought.

There is no doubt the inquisition happened. It was terrible. There was a counter inquisition by protestants and it too was terrible.

Then there is this:

List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II - Wikipedia

The above link describes the various apologies made by Pope John Paul II. It includes the inquisition and many other things the Catholic Church found itself involved in.
That being said... It happened and an apology was given.

So what now? What do we do about something that for the most part is centuries passed and an apology was given, and thus forgiveness was asked for? What else is the Catholic Church supposed to do? Not to mention that Pope John Paul, pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger... Who is mention in the article and has also been accused of a dubious past) as well as BoL, Epostle1, Kelpha and every other Catholic had nothing to do with it! I don't expect any of them to apologize for it because they didn't do it and their spokesman issued an apology 20 years ago.

About the only thing I can fault them for is not pointing to that more often. But they shouldn't have to.

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Should we forget the history? Of course not. But there are certain facts:

1. It is no longer happening.
2. It was apologized for and I assume they seek forgiveness
3. Today's Catholics from their pulpits to the Pope had nothing to do with it.
4. That bit from Matt 6 applies to you as the forgiver and to them who long ago asked.

So, what are you going to do? Forgive or keep bringing it up when they did what was necessary to rid themselves of that sin?

Here is a gift to Catholics: there actually was a counter inquisition and plenty of backlash that was just as bloody. It even happened on North American soil. Possibly in the United States. Has there been an apology for that? I mean... There may have been. I just can't find the right key words to plug into google to find it!

Bottom line: History is in the past and today's Catholic should not be held responsible for something they had no part in. Especially when they asked for forgiveness.
At the same time, Protestants today are not responsible for the atrocities committed by their forefathers. Maybe one day we can stop throwing rocks at each other.

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Cristero War

The Cristero War or Cristero Rebellion (1926–29), also known as La Cristiada, was a widespread struggle in many central-western Mexican states against the secularist, anti-Catholic and anti-clerical policies of the Mexican government.

MEXICO CITY, MAY 30, 2012 (Zenit.org).- If one asks a young Mexican about the basics of the Cristero War — what it was and when it happened — it’s entirely possible to get a blank stare in response. Though one of the most important chapters in 20th-century Mexico, the war has been largely covered up.

The Cristero War is a chapter in Mexico’s history in the 1920s, when thousands of Catholics answered this crucial question [of religious freedom] at the cost of their very lives. President Plutarco Calles launched a direct attack on the Catholic Church using articles from Mexico’s Constitution, which created this uprising and counter-revolution against the Mexican government during that time. The original rebellion was set off by the persecution of Roman Catholics and a ban on their public religious practices.

When the oppression was about to begin, the Vatican granted permission — requested by the Mexican bishops — to cease any Catholic religious services in order to avoid confrontations. Additionally, the Holy See wrote letters to the government requesting they abolish the Calles Law. The government ignored each request. As the war intensified, Rome continued to have direct communications with President Calles to ask for leniency. Not only were Vatican officials [in Mexico] dismissed, but diplomatic relations were broken off by the government. Lastly, Pope Pius XI wrote an encyclical letter to the clergy and the faithful of Mexico to give them courage and hope during this persecution. There was really not much else the Holy See could do. On Nov. 18, 1926, the Pope sent the encyclical letter Iniquis Afflictisque (On the Persecution of the Church in Mexico) to offer prayers and encouragement during this difficult time.

"...Anacleto was taken to Fort Colorado where his torture included being hung by his thumbs until his fingers were dislocated and having the bottom of his feet slashed. He refused, however, to supply his captors with any information. Anacleto González Flores was condemned to death and was shot together with the Vargas González brothers and Luis Padilla Gómez on that same day, April 1, 1927..."

The Masonic Agenda against the Church

President Plutarco Calles, center, came to power to execute the Masonic plan to destroy the Church

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The world ignored the Calles' government massacre of Mexican Catholics

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The bodies pile up...

The Masonic Agenda against the Church in Mexico
The Cristero War: the Story Behind the Cover Up - ZENIT - English
 

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HITLER’S PLAN TO KDNAP OR KILL THE POPE

More Proof of Hitler’s Plan to Kill Pius XII
Son of German Intelligence Officer Comes Forward

REMEMBERING THE HOLOCAUST’S 5 MILLION “OTHERS”

Ask the average student—from elementary school through college—how many died in the Holocaust and they will generally answer 6 million—6 million Jews. But the truth is there were 5 million “others” who were killed, most of whom were Catholic.

On August 22, 1939, the day before Hitler signed the Nazi-Soviet pact, he authorized the killing “without pity or mercy all men, women, and children of Polish descent or language.” On September 1, when Germany invaded Poland, the Poles became the first people to experience the systematic terror of the Holocaust.

Among Poles, there were 3 million Jews and 3 million Catholics who were killed by the Nazis. Dachau was home to nearly 3,000 clergymen, making it the largest “monastery” in the world at that time; more than 1,000 of them were murdered. And it wasn’t just in Poland that priests were captured and killed, it was in Germany, Austria and other European countries that thousands met their death.


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The French Revolution was a backlash against not only monarchy, but the Catholic church.
"...In 1796 French Republican troops under Bonaparte invaded Italy and defeated the papal army. Pius VI sued for peace, but in late December 1797 rioters killed the French Ambassador in Rome. The French marched on Rome, entered it unopposed, and proclaimed a Roman Republic in 1798. They demanded the Pope renounce his temporal authority — when he refused they took him prisoner, along with all his regal regalia. The regalia were melted down, and Pius VI died in captivity seven months later, on August 29, 1799.
Then there is the anti-Catholicism of the French Revolution and the Enlightenment era.
We are getting close to the so called reformation.
I wonder if phony man knows what it means to be drawn and quartered.
We have Hitler, the Masons in Mexico, Napolean and so on.

The difference between them and the anti-Catholics on this board is profound, and so are the similarities.
 
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1. It is no longer happening.

That's where Rome rejoices and shouts victory, the stupid Protestants, they really think they are the winners. I have news for you, Christian Catholicism with Rome's pope its head and heart, is the master brain and incubation machine of every and all wickedness and wars and injustice that have been going on in the world from the second century to today, and will be the beast and false prophet until the end when Jesus Christ shall come and bring an end to Antichrist's reign on earth.

There is not one square mile on earth's surface, not one dozen people fighting another dozen, not under the curse of Roman Catholicism THIS day, TODAY. And it's just the beginning; put on your safety belts, the road ahead is scenic and bumpy; the time has come to expose the man of sin, the beast, the poisoned wafer and the cup of blood and the hand that deals it out with murderous intent.
 
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The Cristero War or Cristero Rebellion (1926–29), also known as La Cristiada, was a widespread struggle in many central-western Mexican states against the secularist, anti-Catholic and anti-clerical policies of the Mexican government.

So, sommer blame the Protestants for it, it's easier and much more plausible.
 
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Foreword to those who, for the sake of their modern version of "love, peace, and unity" - a type of "saccharin sentimentalism" found no where in Scripture - would denounce the content of this OP as unnecessarily provocative, or even an instigation of violence - please read the following statements. Thank you.

The Protestant Reformers were well acquainted with the murderous, horrific Dark Ages regime of the Roman Catholic Papacy - "Papacy" referring to the union of the Catholic church and the equally corrupt State - where millions of "heretics" for over a thousand years were tried, convicted, sentenced to torture or death, and handed over to State authorities for punishment for the "crime" of choosing to worship God according to the dictates of their own conscious, rather than accepting the Satanic doctrines and dogmas of the RCC, the most intolerant religious organization to ever grace the topside of the Earth:

"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than ANY OTHER INSTITUTION that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history." - William E. H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Vol. II, pp. 35

This timeline, which begins well into the reign of terror of the Papacy and is a partial listing of what is estimated by church historians to be between 50 - 150 Million victims which only time and eternity will reveal, is both a demonstration of the horrific extremes to which the RCC did go in the past in order to advance the self-described "supremacy" of the RCC...and a warning to my fellow "heretics" of today that these same extremes are not only yet still considered by the RCC as acceptable recourse in dealing with we who reject the Satanic doctrines of the RCC, but that the centuries-long dominant Protestant eschatological interpretation of Historicism shows that such extremes will be once again brought to bear upon those who refuse to acknowledge anything but the Word of God as their only guide in religious matters just before the return of our True Shepherd, Pontiff, Potentate, Vicar of God, and Lord God of Heaven, Earth (and Purgatory, if it it actually existed anywhere outside the realm of Papal fantasy) - the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.

1098 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.

1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.

1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie's The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigensis.

1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.

1243 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).

1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.

April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.

1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”

1389 Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.

1481 – 1483 At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.

1540 – 1570 Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.
No references, no sources, no links, and a big pack of lies. Where do you get this crap from? Communists, atheists Nazies or cults? Hitler makes Lutheranism the state religion, kills 3 million Catholics and plots to kill the Pope, and you are stupid enough to think he was a Catholic ??? As for the rest of your lies, your credibility is in the toilet.

No references, no sources, no links. But hey, this forum has far left anti-Catholic moderators, so you can get away with anything, as long as it bashes Catholicism and no other group.

I would guess that your source is from Masonic, atheist, cults or communist sources. That's why you refuse to name your sources, except one.

ANTI-CATHOLICISM IN NINETEENTH-CENTURY BRITAIN

"That the Church of Rome has shed more innocent blood than ANY OTHER INSTITUTION that has ever existed among mankind will be questioned by no Protestant who has a competent knowledge of history." - William E. H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, Vol. II, pp. 35

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Christian Rationalism is not biblical. Christian Rationalism denies Jesus' deity, the Bible as the Word of God, and salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone.

Would you trust phony man's sources?
Anti-Catholicism in Nineteenth-Century Britain

Anti-Catholicism was undoubtedly a significant feature of the Victorian period. It was manifested in sermons, petitions, tracts, pamphlets, newspapers, and magazines. But as other recent scholarship has demonstrated, it was decisively through fiction that anti-Catholicism was largely disseminated.

Phony man may not admit to being a Klansman, but his anti-Catholic bigotry is parallel with theirs.

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The Ku Klux Klan and American Anti-Catholicism
 
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