A Blood-Soaked Path Through History

[BreadOfLife]

Again... '~He said, "This IS my body" and "This IS my blood."~' is a lie. The quotation marks are a lie; the full stop, is a lie; halve or less Jesus' words, is a lie; halve the recorder's facts, is a lie. And your duplication of the same lie, is the same lie, duplicated, but just, the same lie.

Sooooo, He DIDN'T say, This is my body and This is my blood??
Is that what you are saying??

 

[BreadOfLife]

i'm glad to learn that you offer your stuff to '~everybody in line~' with your heresy, and not to God.

At least YOU realize that I exposed your LIE when you said the following:
"In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the new Lutheran Catholics, may receive the cup."

Another anti-Catholic fairy tale bites the dust . . .

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

At least YOU realize that I exposed your LIE when you said the following:
"In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the new Lutheran Catholics, may receive the cup."

Another anti-Catholic fairy tale bites the dust . . .

Something to celebrate for you. Congratulations.
I admit, I got mixed up. It's actually the feet-washing I should have said. I don't know about the Lutheran Catholic babies; I would say they reject it.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Something to celebrate for you. Congratulations.
I admit, I got mixed up. It's actually the feet-washing I should have said. I don't know about the Lutheran Catholic babies; I would say they reject it.

The only "foot-washing" that goes on in a Catholic Church is on Holy Thursday when the Pope and Catholics pastors all over the world wash the feet of 12 individuals to mirror what Jesus did for the Apostles at the Last Supper.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Sooooo, He DIDN'T say, This is my body and This is my blood??
Is that what you are saying??

Don't isolate and extract. The context in full is what determines true meaning, that's what I'm saying.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

The only "foot-washing" that goes on in a Catholic Church is on Holy Thursday when the Pope and Catholics pastors all over the world wash the feet of 12 individuals to mirror what Jesus did for the Apostles at the Last Supper.

That's what I didn't say but had to. Thanks.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Don't isolate and extract. The context in full is what determines true meaning, that's what I'm saying.

And what is the context??
How does what I said DIFFER from this??

Matt. 26:26-28
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

ANTI-CATHOLICISM IN NINETEENTH-CENTURY BRITAIN

The king or queen is proxy head of the church for the pope in England, don't be misled.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

And what is the context??
How does what I said DIFFER from this??

Matt. 26:26-28
While they were eating, Jesus took bread, and when he had given thanks, he broke it and gave it to his disciples, saying, “Take and eat; this is my body.”

Then he took a cup, and when he had given thanks, he gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you. This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Why don't you swallow the cup? The cup also was "This".

The difference is Jesus was and is alive with SOUL; your stuff is dead and always has been dead and without SOUL.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Why don't you swallow the cup? The cup also was "This".
The difference is Jesus was and is alive with SOUL; your stuff is dead and always has been dead and without SOUL.

I see it's desperation time for you . . .

 

[epostle1]

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1096 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter half the Jews in Worms, Germany.

WHAT PHONY MAN DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW:
Every Jew that was captured was killed. (BY Count Emicho, not the Catholic Church) Bishop Adalbert intervened and allowed his palace to serve as a refuge for the remaining Jews. However, eight days later, the mob broke in and slaughtered those seeking asylum there.[1] The Jews were in the midst of reciting the Hallel prayer for Rosh Chodesh Sivan.[2] Worms massacre (1096) - Wikipedia
(These were not by crusaders, but power hungry thugs)

1098 R

oman Catholic crusaders slaughter almost all of the inhabitants of the city of Antioch.

1099 Roman Catholic crusaders massacre 70,000 Muslims and Jews when they capture Jerusalem.

1208 – 1226 The Albigensian Crusades in southern France. Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter approximately 20,000 citizens of Beziers, France, on July 22, 1209. Albigensian Christians and Catholics were slain. By the time the Roman Catholic armies finished their “crusade,” almost the entire population of southern France (mostly Albigensian Christians) has been exterminated. During the six centuries of papal Inquisition that began in the 13th century, up to 50 million people were killed. Read what J. A. Wylie's The History of Protestantism has to say about the Crusades against the Abigensis.

1236 Roman Catholic crusaders slaughter Jews in the Anjou and Poitou regions of western France. The Catholic crusaders trample to death under their horses 3000 Jews who refuse baptism.

It's not hard to find these whoppers, they are viral on the internet.

1243

Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all the Jews in Berlitz, Germany (near Berlin).

1298 Roman Catholic mobs burn alive all Jews in Rottingen, Germany.

April 26, 1349 Roman Catholic mobs burn to death all Jews in Germersheim, Germany.

1348 – 1349 The Jews are blamed for the bubonic plague. Author Dave Hunt tells us, “Accused of causing the ‘Black Death’ Jews were rounded up [by Roman Catholic mobs] and hanged, burned, and drowned by the thousands in revenge.”

DAVE HUNT!!! Hunting the Whore of Babylon | Catholic Answers

1389

Roman Catholic mobs murder 3000 Jews in Prague when they refuse to be baptized.

This is getting silly. The Church condemned forced conversions/baptisms since the 3rd century before it was even possible.

1481 – 1483

At the direction of the Roman Catholic inquisitors, authorities burn at the stake at least 2000 people during the first two years of the Spanish Inquisition.

That kind of lunacy is not taught in Protestant Bible colleges.
The Truth about the Spanish Inquisition - Crisis Magazine
It's not a Catholic site.

1540 – 1570

Roman Catholic armies butcher at least 900,000 Waldensian Christians of all ages during this 30-year period.

1550 – 1560 Roman Catholic troops slaughter at least 250,000 Dutch Protestants via torture, hanging, and burning during this ten-year period.

1553 – 1558 Roman Catholic Queen Mary I of England (aka “bloody Mary”) attempts to bring England back under the yoke of papal tyranny. During her reign, approximately 200 men and woman are burned to death at the sake. Her victims include bishops, scholars, and other Protestant leaders.

1572 St. Bartholomew’s Day Massacre. French Roman Catholic soldiers begin killing Protestants in Paris on the night of August 24, 1572. The soldiers kill at least 10,000 Protestants during the first three days. At least 8000 more Protestants are killed as the slaughter spreads to the countryside.

1618 – 1648 The Thirty Years’ War. This bloody, religious war is planned, instigated, and orchestrated by the Roman Catholic Jesuit order and its agents in an attempt to exterminate all the Protestants in Europe. Many countries in central Europe lose up to half their population.

1641 – 1649 Eight years of Jesuit-instigated Roman Catholic butchery of Irish Protestants claims the lives of at least 100,000 Protestants.

1685 French Roman Catholic soldiers slaughter approximately 500,000 French Protestant Huguenots on the orders of Roman Catholic King Louis 14 of France.

Circa 1938 – 1945 Catholic dictators such as Adolf Hitler and Monsignor Tiso slaughter approximately six million Jews in Europe prior to and during World War 2.

1941 – 1945 The Roman Catholic Ustashi in the fascist state of Croatia butcher up to one million Serbian Orthodox Christians. Roman Catholic killer squads are often led by Franciscan priests, monks, and friars. This genocide is choreographed by two Jesuit prelates: Aloysius Stepinac and Ivan Saric.

Killer squads!!! What a load of crap!!! I was going to debunk this list of lies one at a time, but it's taking too long. Fascism is incompatible with Catholicism. Catholic fascists is a contradiction in terms. The Ustashi were not Catholic. If they were, they were not acting on behalf of the Vatican.
What a stupid simplistic summary.

Nationalistic political parties, such as those run Slobodan Milošević, Radovan Karadžić and Vojislav Seselj began to stir up ethnic tensions and divisions (mainly religious differences) in the former republics of Yugoslavia such as Croatia & Bosnia, which for the most part had been dormant under Socialist Yugoslavia.

Serbian Nationalists (known as "Chetniks") felt a particular resentment against Bosnian Muslims (known as "Bosniaks") because when the Ottoman Turkish Empire invaded the Balkans in the 1500s, they began to take Christian slaves from the local populations in the Balkans (such as Serbs, Albanians, Greeks, etc.) and convert them to Islam to be soldiers in the Ottoman army. They also committed whole-scale atrocities against Christian populations who defied Ottoman rule and refused to convert to Islam.
Why did Serbs commit genocide against Bosnian Muslims?

Phony man has it backwards. 1,000,000 killed and nobody noticed until it came up on an anti-Catholic internet site???

Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše covers the role of the Croatian Catholic Church in the Independent State of Croatia (NDH), a Nazi puppet state created on the territory of Axis-occupied Yugoslavia in 1941. The NDH was controlled by the Ustaše movement, which was not recognized by the Holy See, although the Holy See, more specifically Pope Pius XII, was criticized for not condemning the movement more timely and forcefully.
Catholic clergy involvement with the Ustaše - Wikipedia
Phony man wants us to believe the Ustase was controlled by the Vatican.

 

[epostle1]

It's a mistake to post anything written before 1970. Opening of the archives has shed a lot of light, dispelling the darkness of Protestant propaganda.

Many historians had been trying for some time to set the record straight on the Crusades—misconceptions are all too common. For them, current interest is an opportunity to explain the Crusades while people are actually listening.
The Real History of the Crusades - Crisis Magazine

 

[epostle1]

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Shock video: Violent mob of topless pro-abort feminists assaults praying men, tries to burn Cathedral

Isn't anti-Catholicism fun?

 

[epostle1]

The total number of Catholic priests, men and women religious and seminarians killed during 2009 was 37, the highest number in the last 10 years and nearly double the number reported in 2008, says Fides.

There were 30 priests, 2 religious sisters, 2 seminarians, and 3 lay volunteers.

In analyzing the list for each continent, this year, the one with the highest number were the Americas, with 23 pastoral workers killed (18 priests, 2 seminarians, 1 sister, and 2 lay persons), followed by Africa, where 9 priests, 1 religious, and 1 laymen lost their lives. In Asia, 2 priests were killed, and in Europe, one priest was killed.
CathNews - Number of priests, religious killed highest in ten years
C'mon phony man, you can do better than post hate, lies and falsehoods in a forum. Go buy an automatic rifle and shoot up a high school. That would be extreme. Your hate is profoundly similar.
Did you thank God for Hitler for killing 3 million Catholics and over 1000 priests?

One more thing:
The Vatican & the Holocaust: 860,000 Lives Saved - The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews
860,000 Lives Saved - The Truth About Pius XII & the Jews

You didn't post that; are you afraid of being thrown out of the KKK?

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

In analyzing the list for each continent, this year, the one with the highest number were the Americas, with 23 pastoral workers killed (18 priests, 2 seminarians, 1 sister, and 2 lay persons), followed by Africa, where 9 priests, 1 religious, and 1 laymen lost their lives. In Asia, 2 priests were killed, and in Europe, one priest was killed.

How many of the examples you gave are not cases of RC in whatever guise murdering RC in whatever guise? None.
And how many are cases of Protestants murdering RC? None.

But you seem to be walking about blind to the most important FACT about RCism's true nature and POWER: it's virtually infinite ability to act covertly and INCOGNITO letting all blame be placed on anyone human it doesn't MATTER RC or Protestant or Muslim or Jew or Buddhist or Hindo or atheist except the popes and prelates and lackeys who relegate and delegate.

 

[Helen]

Good stuff, Bygrace!

I really didn't want to respond to this thread and give it more publicity. But after reading your comnents, II'd like to share another thought.

There is no doubt the inquisition happened. It was terrible. There was a counter inquisition by protestants and it too was terrible.

Then there is this:

List of apologies made by Pope John Paul II - Wikipedia

The above link describes the various apologies made by Pope John Paul II. It includes the inquisition and many other things the Catholic Church found itself involved in.
That being said... It happened and an apology was given.

So what now? What do we do about something that for the most part is centuries passed and an apology was given, and thus forgiveness was asked for? What else is the Catholic Church supposed to do? Not to mention that Pope John Paul, pope Benedict (Cardinal Ratzinger... Who is mention in the article and has also been accused of a dubious past) as well as BoL, Epostle1, Kelpha and every other Catholic had nothing to do with it! I don't expect any of them to apologize for it because they didn't do it and their spokesman issued an apology 20 years ago.

About the only thing I can fault them for is not pointing to that more often. But they shouldn't have to.

Matthew 6:14-15 KJV
For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: [15] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

Should we forget the history? Of course not. But there are certain facts:

1. It is no longer happening.
2. It was apologized for and I assume they seek forgiveness
3. Today's Catholics from their pulpits to the Pope had nothing to do with it.
4. That bit from Matt 6 applies to you as the forgiver and to them who long ago asked.

So, what are you going to do? Forgive or keep bringing it up when they did what was necessary to rid themselves of that sin?

Here is a gift to Catholics: there actually was a counter inquisition and plenty of backlash that was just as bloody. It even happened on North American soil. Possibly in the United States. Has there been an apology for that? I mean... There may have been. I just can't find the right key words to plug into google to find it!

Bottom line: History is in the past and today's Catholic should not be held responsible for something they had no part in. Especially when they asked for forgiveness.

Good one...good balance too.
Amazingly to some...it IS possible to post without “ranting”.

Bless you...Helen.

 

[brakelite]

Individual incidents of killing and the numbers involved can be exaggerated by both sides and in both directions. The extent of wars...those responsible...and the effects resulting...can also be altered to suit the argument. In any warfare, particularly the war between good and evil, the first casualty is truth. So the too-ing and fro-ing between posters can be taken with a grain of salt. But there is another perspective one may take, and which cannot be denied or exaggerated by either side.
And that is the justification within Canon law that is sacrosanct, and has never been, and can never be, abrogated, for it is infallible and unalterable...regardless of pronouncements in favour of freedom of conscience in later councils...I would request evidence that the canon law has in fact been changed. To understand papal supremacy, one must understand the relationship between church and state that is inimical to Catholicism. The fact that the state has, is, and always will be used as Catholic muscle in establishing Papal authority across the globe.
Twelfth Ecumenical Council: Lateran IV - 1215 A.D
CANON 3:

ON CHURCH USE OF SECULAR AUTHORITIES TO DEAL WITH HERETICS
We excommunicate and anathematize every heresy that raises against the holy, orthodox and Catholic faith which we have above explained; condemning all heretics under whatever names they may be known, for while they have different faces they are nevertheless bound to each other by their tails, since in all of them vanity is a common element. Those condemned, being handed over to the secular rulers of their bailiffs, let them be abandoned, to be punished with due justice, clerics being first degraded from their orders. As to the property of the condemned, if they are laymen, let it be confiscated; if clerics, let it be applied to the churches from which they received revenues. But those who are only suspected, due consideration being given to the nature of the suspicion and the character of the person, unless they prove their innocence by a proper defense, let them be anathematized and avoided by all until they have made suitable satisfaction; but if they have been under excommunication for one year, then let them be condemned as heretics.

ON INSURING SECULAR AUTHORITIES EXTERMINATE HERETICS
Secular authorities, whatever office they may hold, shall be admonished and induced and if necessary compelled by ecclesiastical censure, that as they wish to be esteemed and numbered among the faithful, so for the defense of the faith they ought publicly to take an oath that they will strive in good faith and to the best of their ability to exterminate in the territories subject to their jurisdiction all heretics pointed out by the Church; so that whenever anyone shall have assumed authority, whether spiritual or temporal, let him be bound to confirm this decree by oath.

ON SEIZING THE TERRITORY OF UNRESPONSIVE SECULAR RULERS
But if a temporal ruler, after having been requested and admonished by the Church, should neglect to cleanse his territory of this heretical foulness, let him be excommunicated by the metropolitan and the other bishops of the province. If he refuses to make satisfaction within a year, let the matter be made known to the supreme pontiff, that he may declare the ruler's vassals absolved from their allegiance and may offer the territory to be ruled by Catholics, who on the extermination of the heretics may possess it without hindrance and preserve it in the purity of faith; the right, however, of the chief ruler is to be respected as long as he offers no obstacle in this matter and permits freedom of action. The same law is to be observed in regard to those who have no chief rulers (that is, are independent). Catholics who have girded themselves with the cross for the extermination of the heretics, shall enjoy the indulgences and privileges granted to those who go in defense of the Holy Land.

So if under canon law it was part and parcel of Catholic life and practice to hand over heretics to be killed (regardless the number), and that canon law is still 'on the books' so to speak, then would it be reasonable to assume that so long as a government has the death penalty, then it is still infallibly justified to coerce said governments to carry out executions against anyone that the church condemns as heretic? In other words, the burning of heretics under canon law is still approved of. Thus the heart within Catholicism that prefers heretics dead, has not changed, regardless of the apologies and announcements recently over past atrocities.

 

[brakelite]

By the way. The constant carping by Catholics that anyone who opposes Catholic doctrine...practice...or history...is therefore anti-catholic, is the most blatantly repetitive strawman argument in any thread dealing with these issues. I would strongly advocate that not one protestant or non denom. member of this forum posts in these threads because they hate catholics. Not one.

 

[Truth7t7]

At least YOU realize that I exposed your LIE when you said the following:
"In any case, only popes and intimates and nowadays the new Lutheran Catholics, may receive the cup."

Another anti-Catholic fairy tale bites the dust . . .

So the Lutherans now have the magic to turn bread into human flesh and wine into human blood?

 

[Truth7t7]

By the way. The constant carping by Catholics that anyone who opposes Catholic doctrine...practice...or history...is therefore anti-catholic, is the most blatantly repetitive strawman argument in any thread dealing with these issues. I would strongly advocate that not one protestant or non denom. member of this forum posts in these threads because they hate catholics. Not one.

Im anti Pope, and Roman Catholic heretical teaching, I don't hate the rank and file Roman Catholic, who is enslaved to the system,