I confess my sins to God before I go to confession
That's good that you confess to God... but umm... then going to confession as if what? His forgiving you is not enough? That's pretty bad there, bro.
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I confess my sins to God before I go to confession
Is anybody criticizing you for how you confess your sins?
So why do you criticize others??
This whole Catholic business was a ploy to control the gullible people under the thumbs of the priests for centuries. According to Scripture, the Roman Catholic priesthood is a sham and a scam. The Royal Priesthood of believers is the truth.So are we really doing any Catholic a favor for supporting them going to the priests for confessions?
Enoch, after all this Greek, it seems to me that fault and sin are the same.This whole Catholic business was a ploy to control the gullible people under the thumbs of the priests for centuries. According to Scripture, the Roman Catholic priesthood is a sham and a scam. The Royal Priesthood of believers is the truth.
Confession of our sins must be to God alone. Confession of our faults may be to our brethren. But because James 5:16 refuted the Catholic concept, and mentioned "faults" -- not sins -- it was deliberately changed to "sins" in the Catholic bibles as well as the modern Bible versions (which follow the Catholic bibles). Please note:
TRADITIONAL TEXTS
RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. Πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Greek Orthodox Church 1904
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε· πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων ὅπως ἰαθῆτε πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (KJB)
Strong's Concordance
paraptóma: a false step, a trespass
Original Word: παράπτωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paraptóma
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ap'-to-mah)
Short Definition: a falling away, sin
Definition: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3900: παράπτωμα
παράπτωμα, παραπτώματος, τό(παραπίπτω, which see);
1. properly, a fall beside or near something; but nowhere found in this sense.
2. tropically, a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness; a sin, misdeed (R. V. trespass,'differing from ἁμάρτημα (which see) in figure not in force' (Fritzsche); cf. Trench, § lxvi.): Matthew 6:14,(a GT omit; WH brackets), b; Rec.; Mark 11:25, 26 R G L;Romans 4:25; Romans 5:15-18, 20; Romans 11:11; 2 Corinthians 5:19; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 1:7;Ephesians 2:1, 5; Colossians 2:13; James 5:16 (whereL T Tr WH ἁμαρτίας). (Polybius 9, 10, 6; Wis. 3:13 Wis. 10:1; the Sept. several times for מַעַל, עָוֶל, פֶּשַׁע , etc.; of literary faults, Longinus, 36, 2.)
As noted by Thayer's paraptoma is not the same as hamartia. That is why the KJV has "faults".
CRITICAL TEXT
ἐξομολογεῖσθε οὖν ἀλλήλοις τὰς ἁμαρτίας καὶ προσεύχεσθε / εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Strong's Concordance
hamartia: a sin, failure
Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: a sin
Definition: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense), sinful deed.
This whole Catholic business was a ploy to control the gullible people under the thumbs of the priests for centuries. According to Scripture, the Roman Catholic priesthood is a sham and a scam. The Royal Priesthood of believers is the truth.
Confession of our sins must be to God alone. Confession of our faults may be to our brethren. But because James 5:16 refuted the Catholic concept, and mentioned "faults" -- not sins -- it was deliberately changed to "sins" in the Catholic bibles as well as the modern Bible versions (which follow the Catholic bibles). Please note:
TRADITIONAL TEXTS
RP Byzantine Majority Text 2005
Ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. Πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Greek Orthodox Church 1904
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε· πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Scrivener's Textus Receptus 1894
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
Stephanus Textus Receptus 1550
ἐξομολογεῖσθε ἀλλήλοις τὰ παραπτώματα, καὶ εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων ὅπως ἰαθῆτε πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη
Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much. (KJB)
Strong's Concordance
paraptóma: a false step, a trespass
Original Word: παράπτωμα, ατος, τό
Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter
Transliteration: paraptóma
Phonetic Spelling: (par-ap'-to-mah)
Short Definition: a falling away, sin
Definition: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.
Thayer's Greek Lexicon
STRONGS NT 3900: παράπτωμα
παράπτωμα, παραπτώματος, τό(παραπίπτω, which see);
1. properly, a fall beside or near something; but nowhere found in this sense.
2. tropically, a lapse or deviation from truth and uprightness; a sin, misdeed (R. V. trespass,'differing from ἁμάρτημα (which see) in figure not in force' (Fritzsche); cf. Trench, § lxvi.): Matthew 6:14,(a GT omit; WH brackets), b; Rec.; Mark 11:25, 26 R G L;Romans 4:25; Romans 5:15-18, 20; Romans 11:11; 2 Corinthians 5:19; Galatians 6:1; Ephesians 1:7;Ephesians 2:1, 5; Colossians 2:13; James 5:16 (whereL T Tr WH ἁμαρτίας). (Polybius 9, 10, 6; Wis. 3:13 Wis. 10:1; the Sept. several times for מַעַל, עָוֶל, פֶּשַׁע , etc.; of literary faults, Longinus, 36, 2.)
As noted by Thayer's paraptoma is not the same as hamartia. That is why the KJV has "faults".
CRITICAL TEXT
ἐξομολογεῖσθε οὖν ἀλλήλοις τὰς ἁμαρτίας καὶ προσεύχεσθε / εὔχεσθε ὑπὲρ ἀλλήλων, ὅπως ἰαθῆτε. πολὺ ἰσχύει δέησις δικαίου ἐνεργουμένη.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another so that you may be healed. The effective prayer of a righteous man can accomplish much.
Strong's Concordance
hamartia: a sin, failure
Original Word: ἁμαρτία, ας, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: hamartia
Phonetic Spelling: (ham-ar-tee'-ah)
Short Definition: a sin
Definition: prop: missing the mark; hence: (a) guilt, sin, (b) a fault, failure (in an ethical sense), sinful deed.
That's good that you confess to God... but umm... then going to confession as if what? His forgiving you is not enough? That's pretty bad there, bro.
Enoch, after all this Greek, it seems to me that fault and sin are the same.
A fault is a sin.
Also confession was changed throughout time,,,for the better I believe.
I just think we should follow our conscience.
We would not have two different Greek words if they meant exactly the same thing. I believe the difference would pertain to the seriousness of the matter. When you turn to the commandments in the Torah, some violations are punishable by death, while others require only monetary or material restitution. I also believe the KJB translators correctly used the word "faults" (lapses, blunders, unintentional offences, etc.).Enoch, after all this Greek, it seems to me that fault and sin are the same.
A fault is a sin.
The real issue is that only God (and Christ) can absolve, forgive, or remit sins. No man can pronounce absolution, and herein lies the error. What is said about the apostles needs to be properly interpreted.
The real issue is that only God (and Christ) can absolve, forgive, or remit sins. No man can pronounce absolution, and herein lies the error. What is said about the apostles needs to be properly interpreted.
Asking forgiveness from neighbor (a priest represents the Body of Christ) is also important. The standard was much higher in the early church - people had to stand up in front of the entire church and confess their sins.
It is also great to hear the priest remind you of Gods forgiveness......bro
If your son had sinned against you and had asked you for your forgiveness; how would you feel i afterwards, he went to his oldest brother to ask for forgiveness for sins against you and was told to do something to make him believe he has earned your forgiveness? To me, I would think you would be offended that your son did not believe you that you had forgiven him, otherwise, he would not have gone to his older brother.
As I said earlier, John 20:22 needs to be interpreted properly.Jesus gave His Church the authority to forgive (or retain!) sins... And so has the Church taught and believed for 2000 years.. Your beef is with Him!
Guess that depends on whether i gave the older brother the authority to do exactly that...
As I said earlier, John 20:22 needs to be interpreted properly.
1. There is nothing in all of the Bible to suggest that any human being could forgive sins as God forgives. We can forgive each other in that we will not hold grudges against each other.
I know what you are talking about, but you are not going to find His disciples in the N.T. taking those keys to forgive or retain
Do you believe Jesus was God? Then when He said as He was ascending into Heaven..."I will draw all men unto me..."Indeed, and all are welcome to come to the wedding feast of the Lamb...
But,
'no one can come to me unless the Father draw him'
Peace!
Do you believe Jesus was God? Then when He said as He was ascending into Heaven..."I will draw all men unto me..."
Hi JIFI read in the local newspaper that a young Catholic adult thought he was dying from a car accident when he had arrived at the hospital and was being rushed into surgery. He was frantic and needed the priest for confessions and the last rites because it looked like he may not make it. The priest did not come in time as he was rushed into surgery. Fortunately, our wayward brother lived through the surgery. The priest had come and the young man expressed his fear of God not hearing him to forgive him of his sins for why he needed that priest there. The priest had assured him that God had heard him.
I read that article and I wonder what that young Catholic adult said afterwards. If it was me, I would ask incredulously, "Then why am I going to you all this time?!" I mean the article did convey his panic and worry.
So are we really doing any Catholic a favor for supporting them going to the priests for confessions?
Is it Biblical to confess to a priest and ask for absolution from that priest as if His promise in 1 John 1:9 is not true or hard to believe? I'd say no.
But I can't stop them from being in that position where they could panic for nothing. All I can say that going to Jesus is where they should go in the first place and no where else afterwards if they wish to please Him by taking Him at His word that He has forgiven them and cleansed them from all unrighteousness.