Blotted out of The Book Of Life?

[quietthinker]

Just as you do when you say the spiritually dead pass out of existence after being thrown into the Lake of Fire. You posture yourself as holier than God, as though you know the correct punishment of sin against God.

Surely you must understand the meaning of the word death, Stranger!

 

[Stranger]

Surely you must understand the meaning of the word death, Stranger!

If you disagree, then continue on.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

I don't know where it says for the wife to love her husband. It does say for the husband to love the wife and for the wife to submit to the husband in (Eph.) as you pointed out in another post. I don't see how that is a 'balance' as you say. The husband is required to love and the wife is required to submit.

Of course you are not required to hate your husband. And it certainly doesn't mean you won't love your husband. But because God has set it up like He has I think it all depends on the man. If the man loves his wife, as he is required, then the wife will respond and love him also. If the man does not love his wife the woman will not love the husband.

You have this pictured very well in the Gospel of John. John was known as the 'disciple whom Jesus loved'. In his Gospel John alludes to this 5 times. (John, 13:23, 19:26, 20:2, 21:7, 21:20)

You remember Peter made a great boast of never being offended in Christ. (Matt. 26:33) But once the arrest and trial and crucifixion began, where was Peter. With worldlings denying the Lord. But, John was known as the disciple whom Jesus loved. And where was he at the crucifixion? At the foot of the cross. John knew the love of Christ and so responded with a deep love for Christ. As John would later write in (1 John 4:10)

And notice what Jesus said to Peter after the resurrection. (John 21:15-17) "Lovest thou me?"

Stranger

I said a wife is to love her husband.

As to the balance, what I meant is what you've explained.
If a wife loves her husband but he does not love her then there is a great imbalance because if she submits to him, then she is merely a maid and not a helper as required in Genesis 2.

To be a helpmate and companion, the woman must love the husband and the husband must treat the woman as his own body. If he does not, then he is treating her as a maid and not a helpmate.

I agree with everything you've said.

 

[Taken]

Can you blame them? Imagine a young college student approaches a pretty girl and says, "Hi, I like and would really love to get to know you and maybe we could fall in love and get married someday...and if you refuse, I will cause you to suffer the most unspeakably horrific, perpetual, inescapable pain that you can't even imagine. Whadya say?" Atheists are 100% correct to reject that kind of God, which no Scripture in Scripture depicts.
Though human reason is enough to reject the idea of "Eternal Torment", I assure you that not one shred of human reason is necessary to disprove the idea - God's Word is all that is required.

The Knowledge is Scripturally Revealed for any or all to hear and read.

God IS LIFE.
Nothing HAS LIFE Less it Be Quickened BY His Power.

Not a Secret, God GIVES LIFE and God TAKES AWAY LIFE. It affects EVERY SINGLE LIVING MAN.

Not a Secret, God has provided the LIVING, with what is required to MAINTAIN its living state; Food, Shelter, Beauty, Companionship, Hope, Desires, etc.

Some ELECT to TRUST to BELIEVE they EXIST and their Provisions and Habitat EXIST, BECAUSE OF Him.

Others ELECT to to TRUST to BELIEVE their EXISTANCE, Provisions and Habitat EXIST "BY" other means.

That is the Beauty of the Effect of mankind's FREEWILL choice.

And the Beauty of God's Justice, IS Everyone IS Entitled to their OWN Elections, and Everyone SHALL BE Recipients OF the RESULTS of their OWN Elections.

The Results are NOT Secret;
Be WITH God or AGAINST God.
Be WITH Him Forever or Against Him Forever.

Be an Occupant of HIS Earth.
Be an Occupant of HIS Hell.

Enjoy the Beauty of HIS Earth.
Complain Because the Beauty of HIS Earth IS NOT what He decided to Provide in HIS Hell.

Look FORWARD to Occupancy in His Kingdom.
Look Forward to Occupancy in His Hell.

FIRE effects those WITH Him, fully revealed as a Purifying Intent.
FIRE effects those WITHOUT Him, fully revealed as a Destroying Intent of Body and Soul "with Life Departed FROM IT", and those things (body and soul) burned to ASH.

FOREVER....
Be Glorified WITH LIFE, WITH HIM.
Or
FOREVER Be ASH, WITHOUT LIFE, WITHOUT HIM.

Each can make their OWN election. The choice results are Just, Concrete and of NO Secret.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Enoch111]

Since the lost are already spiritually dead, the only death left for them to suffer is physical death...in the Lake of Fire...where they pass out of existence.

If the Lake of Fire was about ceasing to exist, then it would not even be there. Jesus clearly said that Hell (the Lake of Fire) was created for the devil and his angels. And they will be tormented day and night forever.

And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Rev 20:10)

Besides the devil and his angels will be all those whose names are not written in the Book of Life.

And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (Rev 20:15)

And what is eternally suffered by one will be suffered by all. So "they pass out of existence" is TOTAL NONSENSE.

 

[LC627]

Absolutely, all true! Lot's of peaks and valleys since 1992. I have learned much but...that will never stop. As long as we are teachable and continually seek His face.
"... continue to sin" <--- = an UN-saved person, will continue to live in sin...a saved one will not as it does not fit a true child of God.
Keep your weapons close at hand!
Peace to you,
-nancy

Teachable and continually seek His face is a great insight to have. Throughout the years of being a believer my position on things have changed as well and it could change in the future too with life / more experience in areas. The one unchanging thing is this: Jesus is Lord and it is only by Him can we enter in Heaven and have forgiveness of sins

 

[Nancy]

Teachable and continually seek His face is a great insight to have. Throughout the years of being a believer my position on things have changed as well and it could change in the future too with life / more experience in areas. The one unchanging thing is this: Jesus is Lord and it is only by Him can we enter in Heaven and have forgiveness of sins

A Big Fat AMEN to that ♥

 

[Kristian Gamst]

I can assure you that you can lose Your salvation. To me The Bible is Clear on this topic. I would say that a lot of christians have to swallow some biggies to say that OSAS is true. I will Write to you a great deal of bibleverses, that to me make it Clear that we can certainly say that we can lose Our salvation. (Some of the bibleverses has probably been quoted before, so I am sorry if I quote some bibleverses that has been mentioned before).

First of all I want you to read the bibleverses i quote to you as the Truth of the Bible. We have to stop reading what we are believing and start believing what we are reading. More often then not we read the Bible, but only Accept the parts of it that we agree With. We underline bibleverses in Our Bibles that compell to Our doctrine and often also feelings (I'm not saying it is wrong to that), however, the bibleverses that seem harsh or difficult we overlook and that is very Dangerous. But if you start Reading the Bible as if it is THE truth, and believing what you are Reading in spite of you not always understaing it, or that it seems uncompelling and difficult. So I want you to have that in mind when you read the following bibleverses so that you will be honest With yourself, and say that if this is the truth Lord may I rely on it as a truth.
I would also recommand that you pray a prayer before you read further. That you pray to Jesus that He would show you the truth in everything, and pray that The Holy Spirit will guide you to the truth (John 16,13). And to pray that you would take the truth as true in spite of everyone else and all you've heard. I hope it will bring more understading and that The Holy Spirit will help you to se all truth.
I will also add that if you truly fear the Lord you will say to Him: "Lord, I will read Your Word and I will trust that it is the truth, no matter what. No matter if it si difficult, if it Challenges me, if it makes me feal bad. I will trust that Your Word id truth. I WILL BELIEVE WHAT I READ." If you say this and act on it I truly think God will make you understand the Scriptures. Why do I say that? Because Proverbs 9,10 says: "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom, and knowledge of the Holy One is understanding."
When you start to fear the Lord will give you wisdom, knowledge and understanding. And because you fear Him, He will help you to understand His Word.

Here is the bibleverses (With some commentary):
Matthew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"
I want you to recognize that Jesus says many, not some, but many. In what day? That day is reffering to the day of judgement. In what name did they prophecy, cast out demons and doing many Wonders? In His name, in Jesus' name. And you cannot cast out a demon without actually being saved and believing in Christ. How do I know that? In acts 19,11-20:
11 Now God worked unusual miracles by the hands of Paul, 12 so that even handkerchiefs or aprons were brought from his body to the sick, and the diseases left them and the evil spirits went out of them. 13 Then some of the itinerant Jewish exorcists took it upon themselves to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, “We exorcise you by the Jesus whom Paul preaches.” 14 Also there were seven sons of Sceva, a Jewish chief priest, who did so.
15 And the evil spirit answered and said, “Jesus I know, and Paul I know; but who are you?”
16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit was leaped on them, overpowered them, and prevailed against them, so that they fled out of that house naked and wounded. 17 This became known both to all Jews and Greeks dwelling in Ephesus; and fear fell on them all, and the name of the Lord Jesus was magnified. 18 And many who had believed came confessing and telling their deeds. 19 Also, many of those who had practiced magic brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all. And they counted up the value of them, and it totaled fifty thousand pieces of silver. 20 So the word of the Lord grew mightily and prevailed.

They couldn't drive out the demons even though they tried to do it in the name of Jesus (verse 13). So no unbeliever can drive out a demon. But Jesus said in Matthew 7 that they drived out demons in His name. It is important to understand that they did drive the demons out. What does that mean? They were saved. They were followers of Christ, but they fell away from faith and on the day of judgement Jesus says He didn't know them (intimatly).

Jesus also said that He never knew them. What does that mean? 1. Corinthians 8,3 says:
3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.
So to be known by Jesus is to love God. And love requires an intimate relationship. So that means that Jesus needs us to have an intimate relationship With Him. But love also includes to obey. Because to love God is to follow His commandments (2. John 1,6).
The amplified Version (a Version that is more Rich because it takes the meaning of the original-Language, which in this case is greek) puts it like this:
3 But if anyone loves God [with awe-filled reverence, obedience and gratitude], he is known by Him [as His very own and is greatly loved].

Ezekiel 18:24
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
It is Clear here that you can fall away from being reighteous to being wicked. What is the consequence? To die. By dieing Ezekiel means that when you become wicked God will not remember Your righteousness. That will make you die on the inside.

 

[Kristian Gamst]

The Book of Life
Phillipians 4,3:
3 And I urge you also, true companion, help these women who labored with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and the rest of my fellow workers, whose names are in the Book of Life.
Those who are in the Book of Life are the ones who are saved, and washed in the blood of Jesus.

Revelation 20,15:
15 And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.
Those who are not in the Book of Life is cast into the lake of fire (hell).

Revelation 3,5:
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
If Your name can be blotted out or erased from the Book of Life it has to have been in there, right? If Jesus says He will not blot out his name form the Book of Life IF he overcomes, that means that someone who doesn't overcome will therefore be blotted out of the Book of Life.


2 Peter 2,20-21:
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

This is so Clear. It says that you have been saved and known Jesus Christ, but then fallen away. It would actually have been better that they never came to faith then falling from faith. And to turn from something you have to have been in it before. So it is Clear that they once was saved, but now has turned to wicked ways. Again it stands about overcomers. It is the overcomers who will be written in the Book of Life (Revelation 3,5). What is an overcomer? The opposite of a backslider. You would probably say: "So we cannot backslide ever? We cannot be Perfect." Yes, thats right, but there is difference from FALLING in sin and LIVING in sin. If you backslide one time, but you repent and turn to God he will forgive you, but if you keep on living that life of falling, you will in a time not be able to rise again. For the overcomers are People who overcomes the fall. They keep on going after the fall. They overcome it and doesn't let themselves be overcome by the fall.

Luke 12,45-48:
45 But if that servant says in his heart, ‘My master is delaying his coming,’ and begins to beat the male and female servants, and to eat and drink and be drunk, 46 the master of that servant will come on a day when he is not looking for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in two and appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant who knew his master’s will, and did not prepare himself or do according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more.

Notice that Jesus calles this guy a servant. That means he served the Lord, he was by other Words saved. He knew the Lord and even called Him Master. But the Whole problem is that he says that Jesus is delaying His coming. But we are supposed to be ready at any moment, but also be patient. No one knows when Jesus is coming, exactly, but we have to be patient. We cannot complain that He doesn't come. His time will come, and we have to be ready at ALL times. And notice again that in verse 47 Jesus says: "The servant who knew his master's will." That means that he knew God, he was a believer in Him, but then he falled away because he said Jesus was delaying His coming, and by that becoming impatient, which led to him falling from faith.
​

 

[Kristian Gamst]

2 Thessalonians 2,3:
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
If there is going to be a falling away, those who will fall away has to have been in. They must first have been in faith before they falled away from faith, right?

1 Timothy 4,1-3:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Notice that Paul Writes EXPRESSLY. That means that this is really important. In the last days some will depart from the faith. Again, you have to have been in Christ before you can fall away. So you can fall away from Jesus. Again, these are sins that is not comitted one time, but often. These are sins you live in, not fall into. Again we have to differentiate between falling into sin and living in sin.

2 Timothy 4,3-4:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

If you turn from the truth and turn to fables (Speech, invention, flasehood or myth) you have to have been in the truth before you turned to fables. That means you were in Christ, you were saved, but then turned to fables. You turned from Jesus and falled away from faith.
Jude 1,20-25:
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.


22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless
Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior,
Who alone is wise,
Be glory and majesty,
Dominion and power,
Both now and forever.
Amen.

I want you to lastly notice verse 21 and 24. First the author tells us to keep OURSELVES in the love of God. That is pretty much Your only job. If you can keep yourselves in the love of God and in Christ he will transform you and make you into what He meant you to be. But when he says that we have to KEEP ourselves in Him, it means that we can stop keeping ourselves in Him. And by that you can fall away. But then He says in verse 24: "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling," He is able to keep you from stumbling. He is able, not secure to do that. He can do it. As long as we keep ourselves in Him He will keep us.

Romans 8,35-39:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Many use this to say that nothing can take us from God. But if you read closely you can notice something: it stand about everything, but yourselves. It stand not any OTHER created thing. The only one who can separate us from the faith, from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord is OURSELVES.

I hope this can help you. I truly hope the Holy Spirit has shown you the truth. God bless you and I encourage you to keep yourself in the love of God. Just keep yourself in Him, so that he can keep you.
God bless you so much. ​

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

2 Thessalonians 2,3:
3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition,
If there is going to be a falling away, those who will fall away has to have been in. They must first have been in faith before they falled away from faith, right?

1 Timothy 4,1-3:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Notice that Paul Writes EXPRESSLY. That means that this is really important. In the last days some will depart from the faith. Again, you have to have been in Christ before you can fall away. So you can fall away from Jesus. Again, these are sins that is not comitted one time, but often. These are sins you live in, not fall into. Again we have to differentiate between falling into sin and living in sin.

2 Timothy 4,3-4:
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables.

If you turn from the truth and turn to fables (Speech, invention, flasehood or myth) you have to have been in the truth before you turned to fables. That means you were in Christ, you were saved, but then turned to fables. You turned from Jesus and falled away from faith.
Jude 1,20-25:
20 But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, 21 keep yourselves in the love of God, looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.


22 And on some have compassion, making a distinction; 23 but others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire, hating even the garment defiled by the flesh.

24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless
Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior,
Who alone is wise,
Be glory and majesty,
Dominion and power,
Both now and forever.
Amen.

I want you to lastly notice verse 21 and 24. First the author tells us to keep OURSELVES in the love of God. That is pretty much Your only job. If you can keep yourselves in the love of God and in Christ he will transform you and make you into what He meant you to be. But when he says that we have to KEEP ourselves in Him, it means that we can stop keeping ourselves in Him. And by that you can fall away. But then He says in verse 24: "Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling," He is able to keep you from stumbling. He is able, not secure to do that. He can do it. As long as we keep ourselves in Him He will keep us.

Romans 8,35-39:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Many use this to say that nothing can take us from God. But if you read closely you can notice something: it stand about everything, but yourselves. It stand not any OTHER created thing. The only one who can separate us from the faith, from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord is OURSELVES.

I hope this can help you. I truly hope the Holy Spirit has shown you the truth. God bless you and I encourage you to keep yourself in the love of God. Just keep yourself in Him, so that he can keep you.
God bless you so much. ​

I'd like to see you quit being a Christian.
Bet you can't do it.
OSAS

 

[LC627]

And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

Jesus says He never knew them, not that He did know them and they later fell away.
1 John 3:9 - No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God's seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.

 

[Helen]

@Kristian Gamst

You are new here. We are all very well seasoned and know our bibles well.
No point in quoting us loads of scriptures ...you have nothing new that we have not already heard. (Many many times)

But, .......welcome to the Site.

 

[Heb 13:8]

1 Timothy 4,1-3:
Now the Spirit expressly says that in latter times some will depart from the faith, giving heed to deceiving spirits and doctrines of demons, speaking lies in hypocrisy, having their own conscience seared with a hot iron, 3 forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from foods which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and know the truth.

Notice that Paul Writes EXPRESSLY. That means that this is really important. In the last days some will depart from the faith. Again, you have to have been in Christ before you can fall away. So you can fall away from Jesus. Again, these are sins that is not comitted one time, but often. These are sins you live in, not fall into. Again we have to differentiate between falling into sin and living in sin.

Let me know if you see the contradiction (of non-osas) in the Synoptic Gospels..

Matt 13:21 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Mark 4:17 (does not use the word believe) (it uses trouble/persecution)
Luke 8:13 (uses the word believe) (aphistémi/depart)
Rom 8:35, 38-39 (nothing can separate us, even trouble/persecution)
1 Tim 4:1 ( aphistémi/depart)

Matt 13:21 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Mark 4:17 But since they have no root, they last only a short time. When trouble or persecution comes because of the word, they quickly fall away.

Luke 8:13 Those on the rocky ground are the ones who receive the word with joy when they hear it, but they have no root. They believe for a while, but in the time of testing they fall away.

Rom 8:35, 38-39 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 38For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons, neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1 Tim 4:1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons.

Luke 8:13 / Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible - which for a while believe: their faith is a temporary one, like that of Simon Magus; which shows it is not true faith; for that is an abiding grace, Christ, who is the author, is the finisher of it, and prays for it, that it fail not. The Persic version renders it, "in the time of hearing they have faith"; and such sort of hearers there are, who, whilst they are hearing, assent to what they hear, but when they are gone, either forget it, or, falling into bad company, are prevailed upon to doubt of it, and disbelieve it. The Arabic version renders it, "they believe for a small time"; their faith do not continue long, nor their profession of it, both are soon dropped:

God bless

 

[Phoneman777]

What do you base this belief that the spiritually dead when cast into the Lake of Fire, pass out of existence.

According to Genesis 2:7 KJV, man does not possess a Soul - man is a Soul. It says a Soul comes into/remains in existence only as a consequence of the union of the "Body" and "Breath aka Spirit of life", and at the point of disunion when the Breath/Spirit returns to God and the Body returns to the ground, the Soul ceases to exist.

Body + Breath/Spirit = Soul exists
Body - Breath/Spirit = Soul ceases to exist

Bulb + Current = Light exists
Bulb - Current = Light ceases to exist (doesn't continue shining on another plane of existence, it goes out of existence)

You posture yourself as holier than God, as though you know the correct punishment of sin against God.

I've never claimed to be holier than God and I know the reward of the wicked because God says so in Scripture - best described as "annihilation".

Your scenario of approaching a girl and asking for a date is stupid. The Gospel message is believe on Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of sins. Not, can I have a date with you. Infantile.

I think the comparison is legit: It's as absurd to think that God would invite us to enter into a love relationship with Him or suffer Eternal Torment if we don't as it is for the young college guy to invite that pretty girl to do the same or suffer the same.

You do not interpret Scripture on the basis of human reasoning. Of course that is the way atheists interpret it. Why do you?

I agree and that's why, as a human, I rely on Scripture to guide my God-given ability to reason with Him (Isaiah 1:18 KJV) And He has shown me from His word that Eternal Torment is not Biblical.

Then give God's word that disproves the reality of eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

Genesis 2:7 is a good start. Obadiah 15-16 is unequivocally speaking of "Judgment Day" and says the wicked "shall be as though they had not been" meaning "as though they had never existed". Ezekiel says of Satan, "never shalt thou be anymore" or "never shalt thou exist anymore". I do ask that for the sake of brevity, if you like we can explore this one verse at a time.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Revelation 3,5:
5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.
If Your name can be blotted out or erased from the Book of Life it has to have been in there, right? If Jesus says He will not blot out his name form the Book of Life IF he overcomes, that means that someone who doesn't overcome will therefore be blotted out of the Book of Life.

2 Peter 2,20-21:
20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.​

And who is it that overcomes in Rev 3:5, it is the one who believes in the death, burial and resurrection 1 Jhn 5:4-5.

2 Pet 2 chapter is in reference to false teachers and prophets, those who never came to faith in Jesus Christ.

God bless.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Matthew 7:21-23
21 "Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

Jesus is actually rebuking works salvation here as a way to enter the kingdom. The sheep are believers in Christ and the wolves are nonbelievers. Matt 7:15-23 is to be read in full beginning at verse 15... https://www.christianityboard.com/threads/sheep-wolves-illustration.26291/

 

[Heb 13:8]

Ezekiel 18:24
24 “But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness and commits iniquity, and does according to all the abominations that the wicked man does, shall he live? All the righteousness which he has done shall not be remembered; because of the unfaithfulness of which he is guilty and the sin which he has committed, because of them he shall die.
It is Clear here that you can fall away from being reighteous to being wicked. What is the consequence? To die. By dieing Ezekiel means that when you become wicked God will not remember Your righteousness. That will make you die on the inside.

Quoting the OT to prove OSAS is false is sloppy exegesis. Try using the NT after Pentecost and the seal of God placed on believers Acts 2:1-4, Eph 1:13-14. Even though you're wasting your time go ahead and try. God bless.

 

[Phoneman777]

The Knowledge is Scripturally Revealed for any or all to hear and read.

God IS LIFE.
Nothing HAS LIFE Less it Be Quickened BY His Power.

Not a Secret, God GIVES LIFE and God TAKES AWAY LIFE. It affects EVERY SINGLE LIVING MAN.

Not a Secret, God has provided the LIVING, with what is required to MAINTAIN its living state; Food, Shelter, Beauty, Companionship, Hope, Desires, etc.

Some ELECT to TRUST to BELIEVE they EXIST and their Provisions and Habitat EXIST, BECAUSE OF Him.

Others ELECT to to TRUST to BELIEVE their EXISTANCE, Provisions and Habitat EXIST "BY" other means.

That is the Beauty of the Effect of mankind's FREEWILL choice.

And the Beauty of God's Justice, IS Everyone IS Entitled to their OWN Elections, and Everyone SHALL BE Recipients OF the RESULTS of their OWN Elections.

The Results are NOT Secret;
Be WITH God or AGAINST God.
Be WITH Him Forever or Against Him Forever.

Be an Occupant of HIS Earth.
Be an Occupant of HIS Hell.

Enjoy the Beauty of HIS Earth.
Complain Because the Beauty of HIS Earth IS NOT what He decided to Provide in HIS Hell.

Look FORWARD to Occupancy in His Kingdom.
Look Forward to Occupancy in His Hell.

FIRE effects those WITH Him, fully revealed as a Purifying Intent.
FIRE effects those WITHOUT Him, fully revealed as a Destroying Intent of Body and Soul "with Life Departed FROM IT", and those things (body and soul) burned to ASH.

FOREVER....
Be Glorified WITH LIFE, WITH HIM.
Or
FOREVER Be ASH, WITHOUT LIFE, WITHOUT HIM.

Each can make their OWN election. The choice results are Just, Concrete and of NO Secret.

God Bless,
Taken

I agree with everything you say - the wicked are ultimately blotted out of existence.

 

[Heb 13:8]

Romans 8,35-39:
35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written:
“For Your sake we are killed all day long;
We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.”

37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. 38 For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Many use this to say that nothing can take us from God. But if you read closely you can notice something: it stand about everything, but yourselves. It stand not any OTHER created thing. The only one who can separate us from the faith, from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus Our Lord is OURSELVES. ​

Rom 8:33, the elect are born again Christians KG.