Endless Pet Doctrines

[aspen]

There is nothing strange about showing the level of respect to others as you do yourself. It only becomes strange when this respect is misconstrued as "unconditional", as if I am obligated to show the same level of respect or "love" as I would show for God, I.e with all your heart, mind and soul. It turns Christ's commandments into a more touchy feely doctrine, of which I don't particularly care for.

Touchy feely really has nothing to do with loving people through service and sacrifice.....Jesus didn’t win the hearts of the common person by being touchy feely and effeminate.

There are some people who use this characterization of loving others to dismiss it, and give themselves permission to love on their own terms, which always turns narcissistic. I do not think you are doing this - I am just pointing it out

 

[bbyrd009]

All this practice, submiting to the Holy Spirit and putting love into practice is the Good News.

ha, it came to me the other day that "Good News" is really a TIC way to say "you aren't going to like this much" lol

 

[aspen]

ha, it came to me the other day that "Good News" is really a TIC way to say "you aren't going to like this much" lol

Ha. It was actually a common greeting during the time of Jesus. Sort of like ‘Son of Man’ simply meant a ‘regular guy’ - we have deified both terms. I think it takes away some of the message when we do this.

 

[bbyrd009]

I believe we were created in God’s image - God is Love - we are called to be love, once again. Practicing love is a spiritual discipline, necessay for us to come home like the prodical sons and daughters we are. Thankfully, when we are completely transformed, love will no longer feel like a burden - we will be naturals

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imo we have warped and abused the term "love" so much that other terms need to be employed to grasp the concept.
Love is an emotional state to most of us now i think

 

[Philip James]

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Sometimes its hardest to love those closest too us...

Pax!

 

[bbyrd009]

It was actually a common greeting during the time of Jesus.

really? never heard that one, cool

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Well, here is another thread devoted to my endless pet doctrines. Love your neighbor as yourself.....learning to love everyone. Yeah, i know its really strange stuff.....

What if you hate yourself? Uh oh.

Then I guess you look to Jesus in knowing that He loves you; and thereby lean on Him for the love you need to love Him and others too.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Since the fruits of the Spirit are by Jesus Christ, a believer can look to Him for the love they need to love Him & others by.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

 

[bbyrd009]

Ok, don't exactly know what your point is here.

ya, me neither, lemme go look lol
ah ok, my point was that God did not seem to mind providing cover (likely ego i guess) for the "fallen" A&E, and this seemed to be at odds with your post somewhat. But i also agree with you that love is not really supposed to be an emotional experience

 

[bbyrd009]

Sort of like ‘Son of Man’ simply meant a ‘regular guy’ - we have deified both terms. I think it takes away some of the message when we do this.

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[aspen]

What if you hate yourself? Uh oh.

Then I guess you look to Jesus in knowing that He loves you; and thereby lean on Him for the love you need to love Him and others too.

1 John 4:19 We love him, because he first loved us. 20 If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother, he is a liar: for he that loveth not his brother whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?

Since the fruits of the Spirit are by Jesus Christ, a believer can look to Him for the love they need to love Him & others by.

Philippians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:...

Galatians 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

Philippians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.

Great point.

I think you are right about submiting to Jesus who is the Great Physician in order to heal us. I think it can take a life time to learn how to love yourself - however, when you practice loving others it helps to heal you too

 

[Truth]

imo we have warped and abused the term "love" so much that other terms need to be employed to grasp the concept.
Love is an emotional state to most of us now i think

I am not sure about your statement, Love is an emotional state to most of us now!
Love is a real thing, to which carries an emotional attachment, how else can we truly say we Love, if we are sincere!
Luke 19- 41-42- Now as He [Jesus ] drew near, He [Jesus ] saw the city and Wept over it, 42- Saying, If you had known, even you, Especially in this your day, the thing's that make for your Peace! But know they are hidden from your eyes.} this day was a day that the people observed every year for hundreds of years, a shadow of redemption, and on this particular day the redeemer truly showed up} 43- For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 - and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your Visitation!!!
Did Our Savior weep over the city that in time would be destroyed, did He weep over His Countrymen, that were going to be destroyed, men , women and children, the fact of the matter was that HE wept, which I would consider an Emotion, heart felt emotion, so if anyone think's that love is devoid of Emotion, well I don't understand that!

 

[aspen]

I am not sure about your statement, Love is an emotional state to most of us now!
Love is a real thing, to which carries an emotional attachment, how else can we truly say we Love, if we are sincere!
Luke 19- 41-42- Now as He [Jesus ] drew near, He [Jesus ] saw the city and Wept over it, 42- Saying, If you had known, even you, Especially in this your day, the thing's that make for your Peace! But know they are hidden from your eyes.} this day was a day that the people observed every year for hundreds of years, a shadow of redemption, and on this particular day the redeemer truly showed up} 43- For days will come upon you when your enemies will build an embankment around you, surround you and close you in on every side, 44 - and level you, and your children within you, to the ground; and they will not leave in you one stone upon another, because you did not know the time of your Visitation!!!
Did Our Savior weep over the city that in time would be destroyed, did He weep over His Countrymen, that were going to be destroyed, men , women and children, the fact of the matter was that HE wept, which I would consider an Emotion, heart felt emotion, so if anyone think's that love is devoid of Emotion, well I don't understand that!

I think what he is saying is that a lot of people are confused about the term love. Many believe love is just a feeling. As you stated it is actually service, sacrifice, and a feeling.

 

[aspen]

So one of my other pet doctrines I am focused on is ignoring haters. I am cleaning up my experience on this board starting last night.

If you are a person who targets other people or groups, you qualify for an ignore. Nothing personal, loving you doesn’t mean I need to read your garbage.

 

[brakelite]

I have found that love is something one must determine to do. It doesn't come by accident, and it is in no one's default mechanism to do so. And that is the hard part. Seeing someone's open wounds, all putrifying sores and fetid stinking habits and addictions and hang-ups... And choosing to love the guy anyway.... Just as while we were yet sinners Christ chose to die for us.
God loves us because that is who he is. It is not who we are. Like Aspen said,love is something we must choose to do, and something we must work at.

 

[Dcopymope]

Touchy feely really has nothing to do with loving people through service and sacrifice.....Jesus didn’t win the hearts of the common person by being touchy feely and effeminate.

There are some people who use this characterization of loving others to dismiss it, and give themselves permission to love on their own terms, which always turns narcissistic. I do not think you are doing this - I am just pointing it out

I no longer call it "love", I call it giving respect to others that didn't earn it, as I would respect myself. That doesn't mean respect without conditions. God never commanded you to let others walk all over you, which is what I mean by the term "touchy feely". If "unconditional love" was real, Jesus Christ wouldn't be using the term "enemy" to describe the recipient. With unconditional love, you don't have enemies, making it a fairy tale that people wish were really true in the real world. Even God has enemies, which means that even his 'love' has conditions.

ya, me neither, lemme go look lol
ah ok, my point was that God did not seem to mind providing cover (likely ego i guess) for the "fallen" A&E, and this seemed to be at odds with your post somewhat. But i also agree with you that love is not really supposed to be an emotional experience

It was God that set them up to be tempted to start with. It wasn't Satan that planted the tree giving them the knowledge of sin, so it only makes sense for God to actually do right by his creation in some capacity. Its convenient to point the finger solely at Satan for what happened, but it wasn't him that set up the conditions for the event to happen. Thanks to God, Satan actually had something to tempt Eve with, but really, my understanding of the Garden of Eden event goes beyond the obvious. I know exactly why God set up Adam and Eve that way, and I wholeheartedly agree with it.

 

[Truth]

I think what he is saying is that a lot of people are confused about the term love. Many believe love is just a feeling. As you stated it is actually service, sacrifice, and a feeling.

So what you believe love is, is purely mechanical, an act learned by rote, come on love is more than just an act, it has to be something that we as humans feel, you can not love without considering the soul that your love is projected toward's. Compassion, Concern, Caring, these are Attributes that are from the Heart, which as far as I am concerned are from emotion! look a person is being mugged, so I will intervene, why! because we see that someone needs help! is that love or is it a Attribute of concern for a fellow human. We are not a Spirit yet, so how do we respond to other's ? we respond with what God Gave us, Love that is inspired with Emotion. unless you are less than Human, how else!
And what you explain above, is works without feeling's, EMOTION!
God will know the Heart of those that follow our Savior. Dividing asunder the thought's and the intention's of the Heart! WHAT!

 

[aspen]

So what you believe love is, is purely mechanical, an act learned by rote, come on love is more than just an act, it has to be something that we as humans feel, you can not love without considering the soul that your love is projected toward's. Compassion, Concern, Caring, these are Attributes that are from the Heart, which as far as I am concerned are from emotion! look a person is being mugged, so I will intervene, why! because we see that someone needs help! is that love or is it a Attribute of concern for a fellow human. We are not a Spirit yet, so how do we respond to other's ? we respond with what God Gave us, Love that is inspired with Emotion. unless you are less than Human, how else!
And what you explain above, is works without feeling's, EMOTION!
God will know the Heart of those that follow our Savior. Dividing asunder the thought's and the intention's of the Heart! WHAT!

Truth we agree. Ive never denied any of these aspects of love

 

[Truth]

Truth we agree. Ive never denied any of these aspects of love

If the Love of God is not in you, then God is not in you, So thank you because I was beginning to think that Love was just a form of religion, and not something we need to express toward other's with Heart, Practice make's perfect. But it has to be True.

 

[brakelite]

I no longer call it "love", I call it giving respect to others that didn't earn it, as I would respect myself. That doesn't mean respect without conditions. God never commanded you to let others walk all over you, which is what I mean by the term "touchy feely". If "unconditional love" was real, Jesus Christ wouldn't be using the term "enemy" to describe the recipient. With unconditional love, you don't have enemies, making it a fairy tale that people wish were really true in the real world. Even God has enemies, which means that even his 'love' has conditions.



It was God that set them up to be tempted to start with. It wasn't Satan that planted the tree giving them the knowledge of sin, so it only makes sense for God to actually do right by his creation in some capacity. Its convenient to point the finger solely at Satan for what happened, but it wasn't him that set up the conditions for the event to happen. Thanks to God, Satan actually had something to tempt Eve with, but really, my understanding of the Garden of Eden event goes beyond the obvious. I know exactly why God set up Adam and Eve that way, and I wholeheartedly agree with it.

God planted a garden, and in the midst of the garden He placed two trees. One provided life, the other death. Good did not"set them up". There was an entire garden, maybe a forest, in the midst of the earth especially designated as their home. A myri they could have chosenad of choices of good stuff to eat. Thousands of trees and shrubs and herbs, berries, fruit, grains and nuts to provide everything they needed. Just one tree, one, that they could have stayed well away from, that they were warned not to have anything to do with, but they failed the test. Curiosity and mistrust and covetousness was their downfall.

 

[epostle1]

“God is love. Whoever lives in love lives in God, and God in them."

Ephesians 4:2 “Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love."

1 Peter 4:8: “Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins."

Pizza must be consumed with coke or pepsi. It's in the Bible.