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Have you seen the unity of the faith?

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I saw this advert for a church that supposedly is modeled on Acts 2. Really? And what do they do that resembles the major revival that kickstarted the faith on Earth?

They hold to the doctrine of tongues.

That's it.

And doing this compares with the power exhibited in Acts?

Really.

The problem, as I see it, is what we claim is exaggerated...and the actual content is so much less than what God expects of us. We can point to what we are doing...but what are we leaving undone?

I agree, that what we claim is exaggerated and the actual content is so much less than what God expects of us.
Somewhere it was also said that God is easy to please, but hard to satisfy but the “few” will master the challenges He gives us.
I personally wish I could claim with no exaggeration that I esteem His word more than my necessary food or if He slay me, yet will I trust Him.
I can’t, but I can claim that my masquerade is coming off and self-complacency has been dealt a death-blow along with my flesh being exposed.
I never thought I’d be so thankful for that!
I’m also very thankful that true men of God don’t draw others to themselves but to HIM!

But if we truly love the truth...we will put the truth before our own safety or assurances. We will trust God with where we are presently...and look to Him for guidance into more of Him.
 
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Why is Christianity in such a bad condition?
Because people for so long have been told that we can live however we want and still go to heaven...instead of preaching what the Bible says: that only "he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved." People would rather hear, "Endure? take it or leave it, you're going to get to heaven either way."
 

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Nonviolent Communication by having a natural state of compassion when no violence is present in the heart.
"All that has been integrated into NVC has been known for centuries about consciousness, language, communication skills, and use of power that enable us to maintain a perspective of empathy for ourselves and others, even under trying conditions."
-- Marshall B. Rosenberg, Phd
Breakthroughs the language of blame, judgment or domination which is what most children learn and carry into their adult life.
Nonviolent communication is easy to learn, because it is the natural state of a person.
And is free on YouTube.
 

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Nonviolent Communication by having a natural state of compassion when no violence is present in the heart.
"All that has been integrated into NVC has been known for centuries about consciousness, language, communication skills, and use of power that enable us to maintain a perspective of empathy for ourselves and others, even under trying conditions."
-- Marshall B. Rosenberg, Phd
Breakthroughs the language of blame, judgment or domination which is what most children learn and carry into their adult life.
Nonviolent communication is easy to learn, because it is the natural state of a person.
And is free on YouTube.
You don't have any children, do you? :D
 

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You don't have any children, do you? :D
Blame, judgment or domination is learned from the world.
My son was attending first day of pubic school and I was delighted to find out how it was. I asked him, “Rick, how was the new school?” And he said: “Oh, it’s OK, Dad. But boy, some of those teachers.” I could see that he was distressed, and I said, “What happened?”

He said: “Dad, I wasn’t even halfway in the door, really I was just walking in, when this man teacher saw me and came running over and screamed at me, ‘My, my, look at the little girl.’” Now, what that teacher was reacting to was, my son had long hair at the time, down to his shoulders. And this teacher had a way of thinking, apparently, where he thought he as the authority knew what was right, that there was a right way to wear hair, and that if somebody doesn’t do things the right way, then you have to shame them or guilt them or punish them into doing it. I felt sad to hear that my child would be greeted that way his first moment in the new school. And I said, “How did you handle it?”

And he said, “Dad, I remembered what you said, that when you’re in a place like that, never to give them the power to make you submit or rebel.” Well, I was delighted that he would remember that abstract principle at such a time. And I told him I was glad that he remembered it, and I said, “How did you handle the situation?”

He said: “Dad, I also did what you suggested, that when people are talking to me that way, to try to hear what they’re feeling and needing and not take it personally. Just to try to hear their feelings and needs.” I said, “Wow, am I glad that you thought to do that. What did you hear?”

He said, “Dad, it was pretty obvious. I heard that he was irritated and wanted me to cut my hair.” “Oh,” I said, “how did that leave you feeling, to receive his message in that way?” And he said: “Dad, I felt really sad for the man. He was bald, and seemed to have a problem about hair.”
 

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Blame, judgment or domination is learned from the world.
My son was attending first day of pubic school and I was delighted to find out how it was. I asked him, “Rick, how was the new school?” And he said: “Oh, it’s OK, Dad. But boy, some of those teachers.” I could see that he was distressed, and I said, “What happened?”

He said: “Dad, I wasn’t even halfway in the door, really I was just walking in, when this man teacher saw me and came running over and screamed at me, ‘My, my, look at the little girl.’” Now, what that teacher was reacting to was, my son had long hair at the time, down to his shoulders. And this teacher had a way of thinking, apparently, where he thought he as the authority knew what was right, that there was a right way to wear hair, and that if somebody doesn’t do things the right way, then you have to shame them or guilt them or punish them into doing it. I felt sad to hear that my child would be greeted that way his first moment in the new school. And I said, “How did you handle it?”

And he said, “Dad, I remembered what you said, that when you’re in a place like that, never to give them the power to make you submit or rebel.” Well, I was delighted that he would remember that abstract principle at such a time. And I told him I was glad that he remembered it, and I said, “How did you handle the situation?”

He said: “Dad, I also did what you suggested, that when people are talking to me that way, to try to hear what they’re feeling and needing and not take it personally. Just to try to hear their feelings and needs.” I said, “Wow, am I glad that you thought to do that. What did you hear?”

He said, “Dad, it was pretty obvious. I heard that he was irritated and wanted me to cut my hair.” “Oh,” I said, “how did that leave you feeling, to receive his message in that way?” And he said: “Dad, I felt really sad for the man. He was bald, and seemed to have a problem about hair.”

:D and it was just that simple....lol.
 

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He responded the way you TAUGHT him. And that is good. But, let's be honest and admit that without your teaching to the contrary, his reaction would not have been what it was. It would have been "natural", and that would not have been analytical and empathetic.
 
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We find there is so many ideas concerning our spiritual walk with the Lord Jesus Christ.
There is the true, and there is the false. Light and darkness, truth and error, righteousness and sin.

One of the problems is the personal doctrine of infallibility (connected to pride) apart from God, which originated with Satan. The idea of, I cannot be wrong, therefore I am not wrong, and refuse to acknowledge wrong in oneself. It is an unconverted trait, self-preservation, self-justification, deification of self, and all truth is defined by that self.
 

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He responded the way you TAUGHT him. And that is good. But, let's be honest and admit that without your teaching to the contrary, his reaction would not have been what it was. It would have been "natural", and that would not have been analytical and empathetic.
We can meet half way and agree to call it a Reformation Movement. :D
 

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You hardly find two people seeing eye to eye on the majority of what we know as the Word of God.
Self gets in the way. As Christ Jesus truly becomes central, all begin to see eye to eye, our eyes to His eyes.

Many are unconverted, but are still 'religious', 2 Tim. 3:5, even as the atheist, pagan, mystic, and other.

When Christ Jesus has His rightful place in the life, such persons, will be unafraid to follow Him; Mat. 10:34-39; Luk. 9:23-27 and abandon all errors, and accept all truth.
 
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I agree, that what we claim is exaggerated and the actual content is so much less than what God expects of us.
Somewhere it was also said that God is easy to please, but hard to satisfy but the “few” will master the challenges He gives us.
I personally wish I could claim with no exaggeration that I esteem His word more than my necessary food or if He slay me, yet will I trust Him.
I can’t, but I can claim that my masquerade is coming off and self-complacency has been dealt a death-blow along with my flesh being exposed.
I never thought I’d be so thankful for that!
I’m also very thankful that true men of God don’t draw others to themselves but to HIM!

But if we truly love the truth...we will put the truth before our own safety or assurances. We will trust God with where we are presently...and look to Him for guidance into more of Him.
By the way on your poll about seeing the unity of faith...yes or no....I wanted to ask if you could add another option....in progress....I am starting to see a lot of people coming together in unity of faith....but not in a collective unity between all the different denominations....(which teach from the same bible but have different interpretations of it....if this isn't a type of religious spirit then I don't know what is...lol).
 
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ok, and being as how you already cannot Quote that, what else might make you change your mind there, if i may ask?

Word = Truth, right; is the Bible the Book of Truth?
Easter can be quoted from the KJV; is Easter the Truth?
The Bible assures us that scribes will translate to suit themselves; is a scribed Bible still Word?
For that matter is an original copy Word if you were not there to hear It, iow you were not and are not a speaker of ancient Hebrew?

Seems awful dangerous to rely on a guy that the Bible specifically mentions will be translating to suit themselves,
and then to label that Word, wadr

what will you call Word when you hear It?
Another person, another idea. Ok. We can have a look at your opinion sometime.
 

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By the way on your poll about seeing the unity of faith...yes or no....I wanted to ask if you could add another option....in progress....I am starting to see a lot of people coming together in unity of faith....but not in a collective unity between all the different denominations....(which teach from the same bible but have different interpretations of it....if this isn't a type of religious spirit then I don't know what is...lol).
Small Fish started that thread...not I :)
 

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I was thinking of going back in time, like as if Dr Who turned up and offered me to go, well I thought well maybe Tom Baker or John Pertwee maybe or the first Doctor they are the only ones that I like, but to go back in time, well no, maybe back to 1973 and that's about it really I thought, looking back I would say that I have lived in the best time the world has ever been to be alive, but for only one thing Sin and that's the whole problem, people are slaves to Sin and Sin is on the increase nowadays in a way that is truly cunningly devious, sorry to say the future is in for a bumpy ride only due to Sin.
I don't want to live in what we have nowadays as it makes me want to puke and I am glad I am near the end of my life.
But all would be fine if people only had a handle on Sin, one could get about fine not having to worry about some drugged up moron wanting to do what ever, rip you off or knife you.
All the morons are free to do what ever they like and the law will not deal with them nowadays.
I was just saying for punishment and to keep cost down due too idiots, is to take them to a show ground and put them on a ride and have it go around and around till they have had enough, the last time I went on a show ride was 1979 boy that ride knocked me around and took a day to get over it, never again.
So if you did something real stupid, on the ride you go buddy haha and you would never play the silly bugger again I can tell you. or if that does not get there attention, we once had out back jails that looked like a big outhouse and they got an stinking coon smelling itchy blanket timber floor for a bed and if you play up in there they toss a bucket of water on you on a cold night and the wind rushes straight through the bars.

Well dentist are great nowadays, oh the horror of them in the 60's and we had a military dentist and what a bastard he was and Hospital surgery is magic nowadays.

Problem is kids and ratbags are running loose being just punk morons and our Political are just the same as the punks irresponsible and it's the same with the Churches they are like full on supporting Sodomites and just Political Correct Socialist dictating trash, not to mention fear mentioning the truth about Jesus Christ as most will just hate that, we have a mans works social justice warrior being peddled above all and skiting about what there church as achieved. what like claiming to be looking after trash and patting yourselves on the back.
But I ask who have you got Saved in Christ Jesus bro and then there is the dead flat silence.
No you did not bother with the Salvation message so as to save there Souls and that's the problem.
Good works are ok but that's not the point as anyone can do that.
 
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There will come a time where "official" Christianity will be proven to be false...and "unofficial" or spontaneous Christianity will be proven as true. Given any amount of time, people will get things wrong. But the initial spark is right...and from the Lord. What He starts, however, gets easily sidetracked as we add in our false assumptions...assumptions that have become as doctrine, so that sound doctrine is seen as quite strange. All this was prophesied...just read the book of Hosea.

Why are we so easily misled?

We are still thinking as the world thinks. Our thinking is far from drastic enough in kingdom terms. And this, even when we have a real fellowship together. The same goes for our quick conclusions regarding the new birth in Christ and practically everyone thinks that's it....we're saved now. The race is over. But the race has just begun. The new birth is a calling...not a choosing. We need to run in a way that we are approved of God. So then we have the scale of requirements from God WAY off.

What gets in the way is habit, culture, opinion, ego....just to name a few things. We are looking at this from a human perspective rather than seeing what God wants.

But there is a kind of love that brings everything into One. Just as there is a kind of faith that does the same.

So then we are looking for authenticity. But we need to look a lot deeper at what the gospel really is all about.
I am inclined to agree with you here on your thought. It's the veil that gets in the way of true understanding. In other words as you said, ego, habit culture and don't forget traditions. Pre conceived ideas etc.

But the veil was rent in two. The mercy seat is in plain view and consequently the Book of Acts came into existence.

Still, the origional church did not keep to that which was given initially. The truth mostly have been lost through the ages which actually was no surprise to Paul as he said "there must come a falling away first" now, we can see the tactics of the man of sin. So it was necessary. 2 Thessalonians 2

But now, what is the way back?
 
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Is it "artificiality?" The Vineyard, the church I call 'home', concentrates on a healing ministry. A church we visited recently is focused mainly on day-to-day evangelism. Further still, the Baptist church I grew up in is geared mainly to missionary work. And others still, direct most of their energies to probably other areas of concentration.

Is this artificiality?
I do agree that missionary work is very important and a big part of our walk and work in Christ though not all are called for that. I have done some myself but I never felt at home doing it.

But should this be the focus of unity? Then too we have failed. There is just as much opposite views in the mission fields as there are different churches and doctrines. Every man for himself it seems.

So, if it is all of God then why the devision? I remember when we were doing missionary work in Pongola South Africa that our biggest opposition were other christian churches. They accused us of being satanists after some was healed and people wanted to come and see what is this all about.

I would of thought we ought to have worked together.

Artificial unity? Not even.
 
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I saw this advert for a church that supposedly is modeled on Acts 2. Really? And what do they do that resembles the major revival that kickstarted the faith on Earth?

They hold to the doctrine of tongues.

That's it.

And doing this compares with the power exhibited in Acts?

Really.

The problem, as I see it, is what we claim is exaggerated...and the actual content is so much less than what God expects of us. We can point to what we are doing...but what are we leaving undone?
Impersonations with claims to originality.
 
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