Limited Atonement VS Universal Atonement

[Taken]

It is already taken away. Read your Bible.

Read your Bible. Understand what you read.

According TO Gods Heavenly Record.
The Converted "Are" SANCTIFIED.
The Converted "can not sin", anymore.
The Converted "Are" SEALED.

The Converted "Are" Justified.

Read you Bible. Understand what you read.

Things MUST come to pass BEFORE it is Done....

What is Done In Heaven...MUST be Also be Done on Earth....Before it is Called Done.

The Converted are JUSTIFIED.
Your Body is Still Waiting to Be Redeemed,
Luke 21:28
The Lords Spirit upon all flesh
Acts 2:21
Your body Glorified, and what the Lord Overcame, To Come To Pass In Victory, when Death Is swallowed up
1 Cor 15:54
and a New Heaven and New Earth
2 Pet 3:13
and Sorrow no more.
Rev 21:4
And His name one
Zech 14:9

I noticed you did not answer the few questions.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

It is already taken away. Read your Bible.

you don't think maybe you are taking that a bit too literally?

Those who say they have fellowship with God, but walk in darkness, lie and do not practice the truth.

 

[H. Richard]

I know you said Romans 7. That is what I was talking about. Did you honestly miss that fact? You cannot understand chapter 7 without 8. All of 7, not just verses 23-25, but starting with verse 7 as I pointed out! You saying to me "You don't seem to want to take all of scriptures just the ones hat you think say God changes out sinful flesh," belongs blatantly on your foot. Romans 7 and 8 is a contrast of the LAW and the SPIRIT - before and after Christ, which is why I included both. It is the difference between the old man and the new man. Your making your letters bigger doesn't mean your understanding is any bigger, just making your lack of understanding glaringly obvious. The last words you made bigger were "condemned sin in the flesh." Do you even know what Paul meant? Evidently not, if you believe Jesus left us weak, just forgiven! By the Spirit we are no longer in our sinful flesh. That is why in verse 9 he says, we are NOT in the flesh - or sin nature - but in the Spirit. One or the other - saved or unsaved. I don't know how Paul could make it any plainer, but you certainly didn't understand what he meant. If you can't understand this, you will twist the rest of scripture into a weak gospel and turn the grace of God into licentiousness, Jude 1:4

I can do all things through Christ, WHO STRENGTHENS ME. The strength comes from the SPIRIT. We are full of the power of the Spirit, IF we have the Spirit. Those who do not have the power of the Holy Spirit in them, cannot relate to what Paul is saying, still need to repent from all sin in order to be given this power, and be saved. Acts 2:38

John confirms Paul by telling us in 1 John 3:5 that Jesus was manifest to TAKE AWAY our sin. That is take away our sin nature! But we must have the Spirit. We must be born again. The Spirit is the seed in 1 John 3:9 and why we are no longer in the flesh but in the Spirit, and are new creatures in Christ. This message is all throughout the gospel and the epistles, so if you find Jesus leaving us weak, then His words of making us free indeed, is a lie. But Jesus is not the liar here.

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No!, You just want to pass over the fact that Paul said;
Rom 7:25
25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

Then he goes on to say that there is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ.

Romans 8 does not delete Romans 7.

 

[bbyrd009]

Do you even know what Paul meant? Evidently not, if you believe Jesus left us weak, just forgiven!

2 Corinthians 12:9-11 NASB - And He has said to me, “My grace is ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A9-11...
10 Therefore I am well content with weaknesses, withinsults, with distresses, with ... with difficulties, for Christ's sake; for when I am weak, then I am strong.

2 Corinthians 12:9-11 NIV - But he said to me, “My grace is - Bible ...

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Corinthians+12%3A9-11...
10 That is why, for Christ's sake, I delight in weaknesses, in insults, in hardships, in persecutions, in difficulties. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

2 Corinthians 12:10 That

 

[Taken]

you don't think maybe you are taking that a bit too literally?

It is Finished, accomplished Internally.
Already established in Heavens Records.
The justified and sealed shall be redeemed.

ALL has not Yet come to pass, thus there IS more Before it is Done.

What is Finished internally Is Literal.
What Shall Be Done, Is Literal.

The Converted are Waiting...for the Judge's pronouncement and Authoritative Gavel to satisfy the legalese aspect...(so to speak).


God Bless,
Taken

 

[bbyrd009]

It is Finished, accomplished Internally.
Already established in Heavens Records.
The justified and sealed shall be redeemed.

ALL has not Yet come to pass, thus there IS more Before it is Done.

What is Finished internally Is Literal.
What Shall Be Done, Is Literal.

The Converted are Waiting...for the Judge's pronouncement and Authoritative Gavel to satisfy the legalese aspect...(so to speak).


God Bless,
Taken

ya, not buying it wadr, Life More Abundantly is all about right now, and the real "converts" are not waiting for squat.

i do understand the allure of Death More Abundantly ok, and i hope you see how it becomes pertinent to ask if you at any time gave any money to those who taught you that, first of all. i know this maybe sounds snide or gratuitous, so i'll admit that i gave them...my share; i mean the Q to be taken at face value, ha well left at face value anyway, being as how i doubt you will want to even answer it

 

[Dave L]

Say what [you will], but that is not the way He said it.

How so?

 

[Dave L]

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Show the scripture reference or are we to just accept your word for it.

Have you ever read the story of David and Bathsheba? David was guilty of murder and adultery, yet God made it go away forgiving him.

 

[Taken]

ya, not buying it wadr,

Just so you know; I'm not the one selling.
I accept what the Lord Has given me and Trust His Word of what Shall come to pass.

Life More Abundantly is all about right now,

and the real "converts" are not waiting for squat.

Of course I disagree and so does Scripture.

i do understand the allure of Death More Abundantly ok,

Ok.


[/QUOTE]and i hope you see how it becomes pertinent to ask if you at any time gave any money to those who taught you that, first of all. [/QUOTE]

ANY TIME? Yes there were a few times I went to a church.

Taught me? No.

Put money in the Offering for their effort?
Yes.

Continued? No.

Decided on aother Teacher ? Yes.

He doesn't require Money.

He required Authority over the whole of my Life and I chose to give Him that.

i know this maybe sounds snide or gratuitous, so i'll admit that i gave them...my share;

Ok.

i mean the Q to be taken at face value, ha well left at face value anyway, being as how i doubt you will want to even answer it

Not a problem. Everyone has the option to choose their own Teacher. I chose mine a long time ago and am content with my choice.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[1stCenturyLady]

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No!, You just want to pass over the fact that Paul said;
Rom 7:25
25 I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
NKJV

Then he goes on to say that there is therefore no condemnation for those in Christ.

Romans 8 does not delete Romans 7.

So, you believe we can now sin with no condemnation. Wonderful. Let's party!!!! You bring the booze, and I'll bring the weed!

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Read your Bible. Understand what you read.

According TO Gods Heavenly Record.
The Converted "Are" SANCTIFIED.
The Converted "can not sin", anymore.
The Converted "Are" SEALED.

The Converted "Are" Justified.

Read you Bible. Understand what you read.

Things MUST come to pass BEFORE it is Done....

What is Done In Heaven...MUST be Also be Done on Earth....Before it is Called Done.

The Converted are JUSTIFIED.
Your Body is Still Waiting to Be Redeemed,
Luke 21:28
The Lords Spirit upon all flesh
Acts 2:21
Your body Glorified, and what the Lord Overcame, To Come To Pass In Victory, when Death Is swallowed up
1 Cor 15:54
and a New Heaven and New Earth
2 Pet 3:13
and Sorrow no more.
Rev 21:4
And His name one
Zech 14:9

I noticed you did not answer the few questions.

God Bless,
Taken

So, if you keep sinning do you believe you are not sinning, that your sins are covered, and after you die they are taken away? Yay! Let's party!!!

 

[bbyrd009]

glad to hear you say that 1stC, i thought that was your position also

yet God made it go away forgiving him.

these are two different things, right, and i'm not reading where God made it go away anywhere wadr

 

[1stCenturyLady]

glad to hear you say that 1stC, i thought that was your position also

these are two different things, right, and i'm not reading where God made it go away anywhere wadr

You can think anything you like bbyrd. I'm sure you'll be crashing the party. Don't forget your tarot cards and black candles. Have fun! Eat, drink and be merry!!! As Martin Luther said, don't just sin, SIN BOLDLY!!!

 

[Dave L]

glad to hear you say that 1stC, i thought that was your position also

these are two different things, right, and i'm not reading where God made it go away anywhere wadr

“Then David exclaimed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord!” Nathan replied to David, “Yes, and the Lord has forgiven your sin. You are not going to die.” (2 Samuel 12:13)

 

[1stCenturyLady]

“Then David exclaimed to Nathan, “I have sinned against the Lord!” Nathan replied to David, “Yes, and the Lord has forgiven your sin. You are not going to die.” (2 Samuel 12:13)

Are you coming to the party, too, Dave. Yay! You can buy the girls! (What your wife doesn't know won't hurt her!)

 

[Dave L]

Are you coming to the party, too, Dave. Yay! You can buy the girls! (What your wife doesn't know won't hurt her!)

Do you think Jesus did not pay for David's sins?

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Do you think Jesus did not pay for David's sins?

Can you also bring the poker chips? I forgot to ask Taken to bring them.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

@H. Richard, @bbyrd009, @Taken and @Dave L

I've rented out the strip club for you. You know the one down in Hell's Town! Have fun!

If I don't make it, start without me.

 

[Dave L]

@H. Richard, @bbyrd009, @Taken and @Dave L

I've rented out the strip club for you! Have fun!

If I don't make it, start without me.

Sounds more like you started without us................

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Sounds more like you started without us................

Sure! Why not? Don't forget your idols, Dave. You can dance in front of them!