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If they went down in flames, so do they who trample the truth of scripture under foot.Ecumenical creeds | Wikiwand
the creeds have all gone down in flames, long time ago
just go kiss the ring and be a Catholic already
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If they went down in flames, so do they who trample the truth of scripture under foot.Ecumenical creeds | Wikiwand
the creeds have all gone down in flames, long time ago
just go kiss the ring and be a Catholic already
*bump*Not an answer to any of my questions. Let's try again.
Pointing out: scripture is God-breathed and inspired by God Himself. Do you hold the same to be true of the Westminster Creed? (Just for one example).
And by what logic do you conclude the statement "But to reject creeds and accept books is not evidence of clear thinking"?
I said above I've found errors in the Westminster. But you cannot draw any conclusion from scripture and not form a creed of your own.*bump*
Jane, you only think you are having a convo ok*bump*
Do you really believe that intense debate will resolve an issue according to God's will? It seems to me the decision would go to the best debater even if he happened to be an unbeliever or a believer holding onto error. Without the Holy Ghost leading him the best debater in man's world would miss the mark. Consider what Jesus said here as opposed to your way to truth:You cannot draw any conclusion about what the bible says. While holding your present view of others who have drawn conclusions and wrote them down for us. Especially after proving them to be true through intense debate.
The setting was in the early years of the New Covenant. And many views emerged about Christ, most of them false. So the churches began holding combined meetings to debate the heretics. And in some cases this went on for decades. But in the end, they wrote down the final doctrine that settled the debate. This is where we get many of our teachings today. Some of the heretics remain today but their false doctrines are as old as the hills.Do you really believe that intense debate will resolve an issue according to God's will? It seems to me the decision would go to the best debater even if he happened to be a unbeliever or a believer holding onto error. Without the Holy Ghost leading him the best debater in man's world would miss the mark. Consider what Jesus said here as opposed to your way to truth:
"But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you." John 14:26
How do you know what the bible says if you ignore centuries of learning. Assuming the Holy Spirit made you an "insider" and not the teachers in the church?
Why do you think the creeds are men's word and your word is not?
You are still looking to man's history instead of to God. Man's history is necessarily flawed because man himself is flawed. The only way to truth then and now is via the Holy Ghost. We must be led by God to the correct conclusions in order to grow closer to Him. If we do not grow, we will stagnate and die... if we are not already dead.The setting was in the early years of the New Covenant. And many views emerged about Christ, most of them false. So the churches began holding combined meetings to debate the heretics. And in some cases this went on for decades. But in the end, they wrote down the final doctrine that settled the debate. This is where we get many of our teachings today. Some of the heretics remain today but their false doctrines are as old as the hills.
Not really. I'm saying there are centuries of solid doctrine available for us if we look for it. Truth does not change.You are still looking to man's history instead of to God. Man's history is necessarily flawed because man himself is flawed. The only way to truth then and now is via the Holy Ghost. We must be led by God to the correct conclusions in order to grow closer to Him. If we do not grow, we will stagnate and die... if we are not already dead.
Following history is worse than following science. The best of scientists will likely end up believing in God if he did not at the start. The best of historians, on the other hand, cannot apply a scientific method to his studies of what happened 200 or 500 or 2000 years ago if he depends on the writings of men alone. He has no first hand observations. He must trust the observations of those who wrote before him if anyone did and hope they were truthful in what they wrote.
Any time you form a conclusion about anything, you form a doctrine. Learning from the the more learned is a sign of wisdom.Dave, I am not going to credit you with being a mind-reader of my thoughts....
So, do tell, where did YOU come up MY THOUGHTS ?....because I said no such thing.
Glory to God,
Taken
I'm not denominational. I'm just saying the truth sets us free and much of it is trampled under foot today.1. How do I know what the Bible says? By the Holy Spirit
You are steeped in denominationalism and deny the Holy Spirit baptism. I cannot talk to any man arguing from his fleshly wisdom.
I actually lament your shackled condition.
Read your Bible.
You've NEVER said one single thing you believe that God told you. Not one.
Do you suppose that the Holy Spirit never spoke to any of those here? I have better things to do than wrestle with denominational emmisarys over their dogma.
Do you realize there's zero peace or wisdom in your presentations? Just religious argument. I don't care how learned you are you've not yielded to the Holy Spirit.
I'm not denominational. I'm just saying the truth sets us free and much of it is trampled under foot today.
If you are hearing voices, check it against God's word.What does God say directly to you? Jesus promised his sheep would know his voice.
Yes trampled underfoot. Men walking in the flesh and denying the spirit. That which is, flesh is, flesh and that of spirit is spirit.
If you are hearing voices, check it against God's word.
Not really. I'm saying there are centuries of solid doctrine available for us if we look for it. Truth does not change.
Ok, that's partially answered.I said above I've found errors in the Westminster. But you cannot draw any conclusion from scripture and not form a creed of your own.
Right now you are showing very strong denominational tendencies.I'm not denominational. I'm just saying the truth sets us free and much of it is trampled under foot today.
he who says he knows anything does not yet knowBut you cannot draw any conclusion from scripture and not form a creed of your own.