Hi Bob.
Do you know the history behind why The Church was "banning possession of the bible"? @CoreIssue hasn't been able to figure it out yet.
hmm let's see how they could have gotten spun around to do such a horrific thing
Do you know the history of "bible possession banned by the Catholic Church"?
Mary
It already sounds bad...
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Bible possession once banned by the Catholic Church!
ITEM #1 POPE INNOCENT III
Pope Innocent III stated in 1199:
... "to be reproved are those who translate into French the Gospels, the letters of Paul, the psalter, etc. They are moved by a certain love of Scripture in order to explain them clandestinely and to preach them to one another. The mysteries of the faith are not to explained rashly to anyone. Usually in fact, they cannot be understood by everyone but only by those who are qualified to understand them with informed intelligence. The depth of the divine Scriptures is such that not only the illiterate and uninitiated have difficulty understanding them, but also the educated and the gifted" (Denzinger-Schönmetzer, Enchiridion Symbolorum 770-771)
Source: Bridging the Gap - Lectio Divina, Religious Education, and the Have-not's by Father John Belmonte, S.J.
ITEM #2 COUNCIL OF TOULOUSE - 1229 A.D.
The Council of Toulouse, which met in November of 1229, about the time of the crusade against the Albigensians, set up a special ecclesiastical tribunal, or court, known as the Inquisition (Lat. inquisitio, an inquiry), to search out and try heretics. Twenty of the forty-five articles decreed by the Council dealt with heretics and heresy. It ruled in part:
"Canon 1. We appoint, therefore, that the archbishops and bishops shall swear in one priest, and two or three laymen of good report, or more if they think fit, in every parish, both in and out of cities, who shall diligently, faithfully, and frequently seek out the heretics in those parishes, by searching all houses and subterranean chambers which lie under suspicion. And looking out for appendages or outbuildings, in the roofs themselves, or any other kind of hiding places, all which we direct to be destroyed."
Canon 6. Directs that the house in which any heretic shall be found shall be destroyed.
"Canon 14. We prohibit also that the laity should be permitted to have the books of the Old or New Testament; unless anyone from motive of devotion should wish to have the Psalter or the Breviary for divine offices or the hours of the blessed Virgin; but we most strictly forbid their having any translation of these books."
Source: Heresy and Authority in Medieval Europe, Edited with an introduction by Edward Peters, Scolar Press, London, copyright 1980 by Edward Peters, ISBN 0-85967-621-8, pp. 194-195, citing S. R. Maitland, Facts and Documents [illustrative of the history, doctrine and rites, of the ancient Albigenses & Waldenses], London, Rivington, 1832, pp. 192-194.
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Yep pretty horrific. No wonder Pope Francis apologized to the Waldenses last year.
I ask easy questions that are tough to answer.
You keep asking questions about why the RCC did horrific things in the dark ages - "as if" we are supposed to find some excuse for them doing it. And you do this as if it somehow helps your point.
Very curious.
Hi bob,
I thought we were talking about the 12th and 13th centuries? You know that the dark ages were from roughly the 5th to 11th century?
Dark Ages - New World Encyclopedia
Migration period | European history
The dark ages start around 538A.D. and end in the 1700's - you may recognize that span of time.
It appears you don't know your own Christian history. I refer you to @BreadOfLife post #825 as a starting point.
There is no excuse for what any Christian church leader did no matter if they were Protestant or Catholic.
Protestants take that position all the time - but you can seldom ever find a Catholic arguing that the RCC was comitting crimes against humanity in the dark ages with their extermination policies, their burning Bibles, burning humans at the stake, inquisition, etc.
The most logical response is to just chalk it all up to sin, evil, crime, ignorance and move on -- which is what Protestants do whenever some bad detail about Protestant history surfaces. Catholics on the other hand tend to "cling" to those bad ideas as 'infallible' since they are on record as being endorsed by supposedly infallible ecumenical councils and commands placed into canon law. They have to toss the doctrine on infallability out the window if they want to come clean on this topic.
You don't seem "very curious" to me since you only want to point out what the CC did and not acknowledge what the Protestant churches did which were the SAME THING!!
Historical Mary
1. I did point out that there are some instances where a Protestant nations does something wrong.
2. but that fades to pale by comparison to the RCC's 1260 years of the dark ages
What I do NOT have to do - is circle wagons around any Protestant errors of the past as if some protestant doctrine would fail if any of their bad actors in history were to be condemned.