1948 is not personal.
As to personal revelation,,,I believe God can speak to us personally...but it has to agree with scripture.
And, it IS personal...IOW, not for everyone.
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As to personal revelation,,,I believe God can speak to us personally...but it has to agree with scripture.
And, it IS personal...IOW, not for everyone.
1stCenturyLady
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Right. I said personal, but then I said "also" about Israel. Israel is not the whole world.
ScottA
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1stCenturyLady
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You may have thought Grace believed what the RCC said about Mary. Just the opposite.
So, IOW, you AGREE with me that we should adhere only to what the scriptures say?
In post no. 336, you said:
That doesn't work - not because it is not in the scriptures...but because you have contradicted the scriptures.
I fear you're getting this conversation all mixed up.
How did I contradict scripture if I said the Mary dogmas don't work because they're not scriptural?
So do you agree that revelation ends with the N.T. and Jesus, or do you believe popes could make up new revelation??
ScottA
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No...that is not biblical.
On the contrary, we are told in the scriptures that God will pour our His spirit upon all flesh and many will prophecy, and among other things, we are told that some have that gift.
So...for you or anyone else to come up with your own limitation on this matter is against the scriptures - against God.
1stCenturyLady
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What new revelation have you heard that is not "personal revelation" or about Israel? I do believe the revelation about the paradigms regarding Trump could be considered new revelation, or actually old revelation repeating itself. What do you think?
Lady, I can't respond to this anymore.
I believe I'm not making myself be understood.
Jesus was the LAST O.T. Prophet...it could be argued that John the Baptist was.
Acts 2:17 MUST adhere to scripture.
It's no use to keep repeating this...I don't know how else to say it.
@ScottA should believe all the NEW revelation since it is given by the Holy Spirit...
Thus...he should believe in all the Mary dogma, as I've stated before.
Why would @ScottA believe SOME prophecy and not other prophecy...what would he base his belief on???
I trust the writings of the the N.T. writers and I trust the ECF when there's some scripture we don't understand since they were close to those that were taught by Jesus.
Can't add anything to this....sorry.
1stCenturyLady
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Are you saying you believe that only the Old Testament had prophets? What about New Testament prophets?
Ephesians 4:
11 And He Himself gave some to be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, and some pastors and teachers, 12 for the equipping of the saints for the work of ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ, 13 till we all come to the unity of the faith and of the knowledge of the Son of God, to a perfect man, to the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ; 14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting, 15 but, speaking the truth in love, may grow up in all things into Him who is the head—Christ— 16 from whom the whole body, joined and knit together by what every joint supplies, according to the effective working by which every part does its share, causes growth of the body for the edifying of itself in love.
I do believe that the roles of prophet differ between New and Old Testaments. We have the "final" Revelation of Jesus Christ, and there is no more to tell as far as what is to come in the future. JMHO :)
But Paul said the gifts would end when the perfect came. Are the scriptures perfect? And do they do a far better job than the gifts ever did? I can prove they are better.
1stCenturyLady
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Because tongues with interpretation, prophecy, and word of knowledge produced fragments of truth. But when John completed Revelation, we no longer had fragments, but the complete picture collected in scripture.
1stCenturyLady
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It was still incomplete. We still see through a dark glass when it comes to perfect knowledge of God. But when we are with Him, we will know Him as well as He knows us now. You are believing teachers that didn't have any gifts, therefore had to invent a reason. Scripture does not say that the perfect was the completion of the letters.
1stCenturyLady
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Jesus is perfect. The second coming is the event where everything will be made perfect by the one who was perfect. Then we will know even as we are known. Why won't you read to the end of the chapter? That is the context. Not the letters.
12 For now we see in a mirror, dimly, but then face to face. Now I know in part, but then I shall know just as I also am known.
10 For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
1stCenturyLady
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It is just as Paul said. We see through a dark glass. But in heaven we will know God just as He knows us. If you think you know everything there is to know about God and what He's done, then you are not reading the word. We will know all that has not been told to us.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.
So tongues still exist, because they are part of the New Covenant that we are still in.
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