I believe you are telling the truth, but I don't think these preachers were above board. The bible says mediums exist but it does not say prophets continued beyond the apostolic era.
For those who don't believe in prophets today....explain this
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I honestly do not believe God would send me to a church to listen to a medium....just be careful okay? The testimony I gave is true and it gives people faith to believe that God speaks through His servants....to deny this is from God and say it is from Satan is dangerous....a slippery slope in many ways....nothing this person said was satanic or steered me away from God, or exalted himself or was tickling my ears. It was a promise of a reward if I remained faithful through my trials and tribulations....and it sustained me when those did come to pass.
Without names it's hard to determine the credibility of the preacher(s). Many are shysters and I have no scriptural warrant to believe these were legit. But extra biblical information is not God's word. The bible is God's word.
Then let that be your testimony....as for me I know I heard the Holy Spirit speaking to me and telling me to go...and what transpired was from God. You have never ever heard Him speak to you have you?
When I was Pentecostal. But I tracked it down to my imagination and wishful thinking. Go with scripture, you can stand on that.
How did you track it down? When God spoke to me and told me to move to Tulsa, I just couldn't find it in scripture but nevertheless I was obedient to do what He told me and He provided the way financially.
We don't know it was God telling you this. But we know God provides for us wherever we are. So any other place that popped into your head and made sense would have worked as well if not better. God tells me which way to go through love. Do what love would do and you made the right choice regardless of the outcome.
Also, faith that works by love, can predict our future and verify that our choices or plans are good before we make them. If you pray about something and faith wells up, you know you have the answer before you see it. And you can even talk about it as though it is on it's way. If faith does not surface, you know that something is wrong and you need to see if it is you, or maybe consider that you are barking up the wrong tree.
CoreIssue
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All the gifts of the spirit are still given today. But not on the scale of the apostles Biblical prophets.
Saying a name and a city is playing the percentages. Odds are someone will fit that description. Is common ploy of mediums and so on.
One Christian minister who specialized in debunking these kinds of things proved it. He played excerpts from TV Pentecostal ministers who did these and then did the same thing with his audience. Then explained how it worked.
My point is while some knowing gifts are still given beware those going around making a living at it. God does not operate that way.
It is documented many so called healers have pronounced people cured from deadly diseases. They believed it but soon after died from those ailments.
KATHRYN KUHLMAN is one example. She died from cancer.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kuhlman.htm
How to Fake a Healing
I was healed once. But it was just me and God, no one else there.
There was a doctor who diagnosed me and later about passed out when he saw I was cured.
Saying a name and a city is playing the percentages. Odds are someone will fit that description. Is common ploy of mediums and so on.
One Christian minister who specialized in debunking these kinds of things proved it. He played excerpts from TV Pentecostal ministers who did these and then did the same thing with his audience. Then explained how it worked.
My point is while some knowing gifts are still given beware those going around making a living at it. God does not operate that way.
It is documented many so called healers have pronounced people cured from deadly diseases. They believed it but soon after died from those ailments.
KATHRYN KUHLMAN is one example. She died from cancer.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/kuhlman.htm
How to Fake a Healing
I was healed once. But it was just me and God, no one else there.
There was a doctor who diagnosed me and later about passed out when he saw I was cured.
The thing strongly impressed upon me lately is how the resisters of the Holy Spirit always try to use one scripture to deny another, as if they weren't in complete accord.
Make no doubt, Those of you out there in denial are here;
Acts 7:51 KJVS
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did , so do ye.
Did you know that you are rebuked? You are not champions of truth and will not prosper in your ways of resisting God?
How is it you don't see you agree with religion over God?
Blind leading the blind. Resisting God and calling it scriptrural is confusion.
You should repent for your unbelief all that resist God's Holy Spirit and cleave to your religion. Yes! It's you!
Yes it's DANGEROUS to call God's works of another spirit! How is it you cannot see the parallel between your unrighteous judgement and those telling Jesus that his works were not of God.
The dead works spewed by those resisting God's Holy Spirit and gifts are to be received instead of good things testified by right hearted, God worshipping believers?
God forbid!
Make no doubt, Those of you out there in denial are here;
Acts 7:51 KJVS
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did , so do ye.
Did you know that you are rebuked? You are not champions of truth and will not prosper in your ways of resisting God?
How is it you don't see you agree with religion over God?
Blind leading the blind. Resisting God and calling it scriptrural is confusion.
You should repent for your unbelief all that resist God's Holy Spirit and cleave to your religion. Yes! It's you!
Yes it's DANGEROUS to call God's works of another spirit! How is it you cannot see the parallel between your unrighteous judgement and those telling Jesus that his works were not of God.
The dead works spewed by those resisting God's Holy Spirit and gifts are to be received instead of good things testified by right hearted, God worshipping believers?
God forbid!
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Many years ago I asked God many times "how can I tell if a man is from God"?
After awhile, days, he answered;
"if a man or woman is from me they will ask nothing of you. They will desire to give, not to get".
We know them by their spirit whether they be from God.
I've heard false prophets and it grieves your spirit. Without the Holy Spirit baptism you cannot discern but are on the outside looking in.
After awhile, days, he answered;
"if a man or woman is from me they will ask nothing of you. They will desire to give, not to get".
We know them by their spirit whether they be from God.
I've heard false prophets and it grieves your spirit. Without the Holy Spirit baptism you cannot discern but are on the outside looking in.
Scripture sums it up for me. All prophets today are false and we can evaluate people according to their fruit.
tooldtocare
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The Old Testament is the original Hebrew Bible, the sacred scriptures of the Jewish faith, written at different times between about 1200 and 165 BC. The New Testament books were written by Christians in the first century AD.
BBC - Religions - Christianity: The Bible
Scholars in the first half of the 20th century came to the conclusion that the Yahwist was produced in the monarchic period, specifically at the court of Solomon, 10th century BC, and the Priestly work in the middle of the 5th century BC (the author was even identified as Ezra), but more recent thinking is that the Yahwist was written either just before or during the Babylonian exile of the 6th century BC, and the Priestly final edition was made late in the Exilic period or soon after
Book of Genesis - Wikipedia
During that time period all they knew of the world around them was the Mediterranean sea. The Atlantic and the Pacific oceans had not been discovered yet. The evolutionary process stated therein is just now being proven to be correct. I admit that it was written to the local population of the time yet it still rings true today..
Columbus sail across the ocean in 1492; now was it BC or AD?
Personally I believe the writers of the original bible got some help from somewhere.
The Encyclopaedia Britannica hadn't been written yet :)-
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My friend it is ONLY by faith that anyone starts and continues his walk with God. When you teach and preach a lack of faith should you really be expecting to receive a blessing from God?
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed." John 20:29
Even so my friend, it is not you nor is it I who decides where another should place his faith. Perhaps you can make it along the way you travel, but then you speak of the 'ravings' of others as if you had it all and they were missing something important. They may indeed may be missing something, but is it not likely that you are as well? Is your knowledge so complete that you need not live by faith at all and would advise others to do the same? Remember what faith is:
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Heb 11:1
Don't presume that your vision is better than the other fellow's. Who is there among us here who is NOT still seeing as through a glass darkly?
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quietthinker
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quietthinker
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It also doesn't say that one must brush ones teeth or clip ones nails!
But the Word of God is NOT the dead Bible. That is the flesh of Jesus which we are to eat, but we must also drink his blood. If we do not, the flesh remains dead and we remain dead.
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