Psychics and Mediums?

[1stCenturyLady]

You have simply assumed that the Church at Corinth was purely Greek. But that was not the case. Here is the evidence that there were both Jews and Greeks in the Corinthian church, and it actually began in a Jewish synagogue:

ACTS 18
1 After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth;

2 And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome), and came unto them.

3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers.

4 And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks.

5 And when Silas and Timotheus were come from Macedonia, Paul was pressed in the spirit, and testified to the Jews that Jesus was Christ.

6 And when they opposed themselves, and blasphemed, he shook his raiment, and said unto them, Your blood be upon your own heads; I am clean: from henceforth I will go unto the Gentiles.

7 And he departed thence, and entered into a certain man's house, named Justus, [probably a Greek proselyte, or a Jew with a Roman name] one that worshipped God, whose house joined hard to the synagogue.

8 And Crispus, [a Jew with a Roman name] the chief ruler of the synagogue, believed on the Lord with all his house; and many of the Corinthians hearing believed, and were baptized.

9 Then spake the Lord to Paul in the night by a vision, Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace:

10 For I am with thee, and no man shall set on thee to hurt thee: for I have much people in this city.

11 And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them.

Well, verse 21 had nothing to do with tongues, but the Jews rejection of Jesus. It is the type of sign that is being alluded to, one compared to the sign of Jesus. If you will compare Luke 2:35 and 1 Corinthians 14:25 the type of sign is revealed.

Luke 2:35b "that the thoughts of many hearts may be revealed."

1 Cor. 14:25a "And thus the secrets of his heart are revealed."

The type of sign is negative, not positive. You got that much right, unlike many who believe tongues was a positive sign and for the purpose of preaching to foreigners. But you misinterpreted the reason for verse 21. You would need more corroborative scriptures than your opinion to prove your theory (not originated with you, though)

The actual sign is a "sign which will be spoken against." Luke 2:34. That is why verse 23 says people will mock the tongues, just as Jesus was rejected. It is Jesus, not tongues, which is for the fall and rise of many in the House of Israel.

Yes, it is a judgment. And one that is continuing today revealing the hearts of the people who either love or hate tongues.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, I have long heard that scripture used to support OSAS. But also "Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ" Phil 1:6

This is why I modified my thinking to OSASIS. 'Once Saved, Always Saved, IF Saved'

But if we are not eternally secure then I have trouble with these passages taken as a whole...

Great White Throne Judgment
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So this would be unbelievers and, I guess, believers who fell back to Perdition?

Judgment Seat of Christ
11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

These are believers who did endure to the end.

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Who are these people?

Ministers. Look at the context. 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

Teachers receive a stricter judgment. James 3:1

 

[Blueberry]

Ministers. Look at the context. 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

Teachers receive a stricter judgment. James 3:1

Thank you.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Thank you.

I appreciate your change in the OSAS to OSASIS. I once changed it to OTSAS - Once truly saved, always saved, but even then some can suddenly lose a child or be in a tremendous trial that they begin to blame God, and never recover. So I now say, we must endure to the end. That is scriptural.

At the end of everyone's life there will be four categories, but actually just on two sides of the fence.

Revelation 22:11 says, "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Jesus said, "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

There will be no nominal Christians in heaven. God calls them vomit. You must be either hot or cold. Do you know what that means? Hot are those on fire for God and boldly minister. Cold means refreshing and those who press in to God for personal intimacy. A nominal Christian seldom if ever thinks about God, but they'll check "Christian" on a form they fill out.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Yes, born again. Currently church shopping.

how old are you?

 

[Blueberry]

I appreciate your change in the OSAS to OSASIS. I once changed it to OTSAS - Once truly saved, always saved, but even then some can suddenly lose a child or be in a tremendous trial that they begin to blame God, and never recover. So I now say, we must endure to the end. That is scriptural.

At the end of everyone's life there will be four categories, but actually just on two sides of the fence.

Revelation 22:11 says, "He who is unjust, let him be unjust still; he who is filthy, let him be filthy still; he who is righteous, let him be righteous still; he who is holy, let him be holy still.”

Jesus said, "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.

There will be no nominal Christians in heaven. God calls them vomit. You must be either hot or cold. Do you know what that means? Hot are those on fire for God and boldly minister. Cold means refreshing and those who press in to God for personal intimacy. A nominal Christian seldom if ever thinks about God, but they'll check "Christian" on a form they fill out.

The hot cold analogy use to confuse me until I saw a show on the two springs running into Sardis.

Yes, social or cultural 'Christians'.

 

[Blueberry]

how old are you?

Late 50s

 

[Blueberry]

We cast out demons today in Jesus' name. We pray for the sick and many times the prayer of faith heals them. We speak in new tongues every time we quote scripture (NT scripture came from tongues and prophecy) and how many times have we taken up serpents in the metaphorical sense? We do it every day nowadays.

I see what you are saying now.

Thanks.

 

[Stranger]

Thanks. Yeah it is the inevitable depressive episode following a roughly 3 week manic bender. The depletion of serotonin, dopamine and other neurotransmitters.

The good news from all of this is that the high wasn't as high with my new vegan habits and I see now the low is not nearly as bad as before. The high use to be more distinguishable and so I could recognize my state much more easily. The resulting lows could last for weeks instead of a day or so this time. Progress!

I appreciate the encouragement, but on this subject I must admit to having some conflicting thoughts when I see the somewhat abysmal record of local congregations. In a non manic state I would have just left it alone. What I posted was fair game for sure. Just not my final, or even usual, thinking.

Quite welcome. Glad to hear you are a born-again Christian. I am ignorant of the clinical side of depressions and explanations, and the drugs used to treat it. I have to leave that to others.

But this I do know, as a born-again Christian you have an element involved that those who are not born-again don't have. That is the Spirit of God, or more literally the Spirit of Christ in you. That same Spirit can rise above and deliver us from a slavery to certain sins our flesh desires. That Spirit can rise above and give us abnormal strength in the midst of martyrdom, to face it rejoicing. And so He is there for your refuge in those times of depression also.

Hope you find a good church home. It is something to pray over. It is important. I have three points right off the bat to consider, for what it is worth. First, they must believe the Bible is the Word of God. Second, no women pastors or preachers or teachers of mixed assembly. Third, no homosexual preachers or allowing homosexuals into the church without repenting and being born-again. As the Lord leads.

Stranger

 

[Blueberry]

Quite welcome. Glad to hear you are a born-again Christian. I am ignorant of the clinical side of depressions and explanations, and the drugs used to treat it. I have to leave that to others.

But this I do know, as a born-again Christian you have an element involved that those who are not born-again don't have. That is the Spirit of God, or more literally the Spirit of Christ in you. That same Spirit can rise above and deliver us from a slavery to certain sins our flesh desires. That Spirit can rise above and give us abnormal strength in the midst of martyrdom, to face it rejoicing. And so He is there for your refuge in those times of depression also.

Hope you find a good church home. It is something to pray over. It is important. I have three points right off the bat to consider, for what it is worth. First, they must believe the Bible is the Word of God. Second, no women pastors or preachers or teachers of mixed assembly. Third, no homosexual preachers or allowing homosexuals into the church without repenting and being born-again. As the Lord leads.

Stranger

I have stubbornly refused to take any meds. No offense to anyone who believes in that and goes that route. Always wanted God to heal me. Many Christians have rebuked me over that and say medicine is a gift from God. I do not disagree. It was just something that I avoided. I sometimes wonder if by this stance that I am in a form of rebellion? And how my life might have been different if I went with meds? But it seems nutrition is now making things quite manageable. Along with a whole host of other benefits. Or, at least, minimizing the amplitude of the swings.

I have read some articles that suggest some folks avoid meds for bi-polar because they enjoy the (manic) 'highs' too much. This may be true?? Never did this consciously. I have wondered why God does not heal me outright? I have a theory that if I were to not suffer from this then I would be much more successful in this world and perhaps follow that route too far? 'A snake instead of a fish'?? I trust that He does not heal me for good reasons. Is this my thorn in the flesh? It does humble me. Frequently. Recently, even! :)

I have had to struggle to get free from some sins, but on some occasions I have had them just fall away. Man, I wish that they were all like that.

Good advice on the churches. I've visited everything from a mini-mega church to a strict Church of Christ recently. In the past I found plain bible churches to be more to my liking. I quit going for awhile. But never quit getting into the Word, praying and evangelizing when the opportunity arose. Still does not excuse forsaking the assembly. Some days I listen to hours worth of sermons. Load up a playlist and let them go all day. There is something about actually being among the Body. 'Where two or more are gathered'??

Thanks. Blessings to you.

 

[Blueberry]

Ministers. Look at the context. 4 For when one says, “I am of Paul,” and another, “I am of Apollos,” are you not carnal?

Teachers receive a stricter judgment. James 3:1

15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

I was thinking about this. The ministers in 15 still are saved though, right?

 

[Dave L]

All I need to know of your view is that it is a lie. If you know the truth, you will know the lie. I will consider your view. I will consider it a lie.

Stranger

I'm only quoting Paul. Does he lie?

 

[Dave L]

This is the post I want to re-answer.

You say mainline churches do not match the description because of gifts, but I say Reformation false doctrine matches the most. The verse has nothing to do with gifts, but because of this quote from Luther: "No sin can separate us from Him, even if we were to kill or commit adultery thousands of times each day." That message from Luther is death to the hearer if swallowed. It is poison. "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’" Luther said the opposite of truth. All through the Bible, sin is the only thing that CAN separate us from God.

"For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, 39 nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." These are all outside. But sin is inside.

That means this verse has to do with lawlessness - in other words, SIN! Otherwise, Jesus would have said something about the use of gifts, not lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 Sin is lawlessness. There are no scriptures about false gifts in the church, except in the Old Testament regarding the occult. If that were possible, there would have been much to say about it than Cessationist drivel. I remember starting to read a book by a popular Cessationist pastor out of California called "Strange Fire" and I only got through two pages and the demonic presence in that book made me stop reading. It was so dark, and yet people with no discernment lap it up to justify their own lack of the gifts of the Spirit, let alone answered prayer.

Revelation 3: (The church age of the Reformation)
“And to the angel of the church in Sardis write,

‘These things says He who has the seven Spirits of God and the seven stars: “I know your works, that you have a name that you are alive, but you are dead. 2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die, for I have not found your works perfect before God. 3 Remember therefore how you have received and heard; hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not watch, I will come upon you as a thief, and you will not know what hour I will come upon you. 4 You have a few names even in Sardis who have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with Me in white, for they are worthy. 5 He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; but I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

6 “He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.” ’

You are trying to lump all but the charismatics together and blame them for Luther's and Calvin's sins. Notice that those whom Jesus rejects at the end of the world do not resemble Evangelicalism in the least. They do exhibit common beliefs and practices found in Charismatic Churches.

 

[Dave L]

You are just as wrong this time, as you were the last time and I proved it. You just don't believe scripture when it is presented on a silver platter.

You only proved my point as I remember.

 

[Dave L]

What do the Greeks in Corinth speaking in tongues have to do with Israel? That is not a direct correlation as you wrongly suppose, even though your theory didn't originate with you, but points to the TYPE of SIGN tongues is. So try again.

(I'm going to reanswer a previous post of yours already answered, as I have more to say.)

Tongues on the day of Pentecost spelled doom for the unbelieving Jews. This they understood as OT jargon for judgement.

 

[Stranger]

I'm only quoting Paul. Does he lie?

Strange question. Stranger still as you don't give the verse you have in mind. I notice you do that quite a lot.

When satan quoted Moses, did he lie? Or did Moses?

You asked me where in Scripture God administered the gifts of the Spirit other than Pentecost and at Cornelius house. I showed you in (1 Cor. 12) exactly how God gives each believer a gift or gifts of the Holy Spirit. And, by the way, Paul is the writer of (1 Cor.) You cannot disprove it. See post #(80) again.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Strange question. Stranger still as you don't give the verse you have in mind. I notice you do that quite a lot.

When satan quoted Moses, did he lie?

You asked me where in Scripture God administered the gifts of the Spirit other than Pentecost and at Cornelius house. I showed you in (1 Cor. 12) exactly how God gives each believer a gift or gifts of the Holy Spirit. And, by the way, Paul is the writer of (1 Cor.) You cannot disprove it. See post #(80) again.

Stranger

I am proving that today's tongues are not like the originals. They are of human or worse origin.

 

[Stranger]

I am proving that today's tongues are not like the originals. They are of human or worse origin.

Since you couldn't prove the other you're trying something else? I see.

You're not going to have any luck with that either. As I also have already showed you.

Has the Spirit of God changed since then? These are gifts of the Spirit. Are you attributing something from the Holy Spirit as being from man?

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Since you couldn't prove the other you're trying something else? I see.

You're not going to have any luck with that either. As I also have already showed you.

Has the Spirit of God changed since then? These are gifts of the Spirit. Are you attributing something from the Holy Spirit as being from man?

Stranger

Denial will not fix the problem Only serious bible study and a willingness to put truth first will do the job.

 

[Stranger]

Denial will not fix the problem Only serious bible study and a willingness to put truth first will do the job.

Neither does your lame one liners change anything. You have made statements that you cannot support Scripturally. Though you have no answer to what I have said concerning (1 Cor. 12), you ignore it. Yet you now tell me 'denial will not fix the problem'. As before, you are choking on your own words.

Stranger