How Free Will Destroys the Gospel

[justbyfaith]

Righteousness is not salvation. No OT was born again into the resurrection.

Prove it.

 

[Dave L]

'The "elect" are the "whosoever-will," and the 'non-elect" are the "whosoever-wonts"' (Sam P Jones).

Revelation 22:17 (NIRV) confirms this: 'The Holy Spirit and the bride say, “Come!” And the person who hears should say, “Come!” Anyone who is thirsty should come. Anyone who wants to take the free gift of the water of life should do so'

Revelation 22:17 invites believers, not unbelievers who cannot hear the call.

 

[Dave L]

The gazillions are without excuse when they stand before God. What have they done with the light given to them?

Well, let's see. Hitler walked in the light he had. As do abortionists, and thugs......

The light only condemns through the law written on the heart.

 

[Dave L]

You avoid the issues I raise regarding God's salvation and human free will, so you can spin off into what you want to talk about.

I don't buy into your tactics.

Aren't we doing the same avoiding my claim that free will changes the gospel into law? Hummmmm?

 

[Dave L]

Poor illustration!

Paul says were were dead in trespasses and sins.

 

[Dave L]

I'm missing no such thing. You are missing the content of Titus 2:11 (ESV), 'For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people'.

All men = Jews and Gentiles alike. Not just Jews as in the old days.

 

[logabe]

logabe,

Since when did 'draw' mean 'drag'?

Leading Greek exegete of the 20th century, Dr A. T. Robertson wrote of John 12:32:

Will draw all men unto myself (panta elkusw pro emauton). Future active of elkuw, late form of elkw, to draw, to attract. Jesus had already used this verb of the Father's drawing power ( Luke 6:44 ). The magnetism of the Cross is now known of all men, however little they understand the mystery of the Cross. By "all men" (panta) Jesus does not mean every individual man, for some, as Simeon said ( Luke 2:34 ) are repelled by Christ, but this is the way that Greeks (verse Jo 12:22) can and will come to Christ, by the way of the Cross, the only way to the Father (14:6) [Bible Study Tools].
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Oz

I believe that Greek word is (helkuo) which means to drag. When this word is used it always means someone imposing his will on the one being dragged.

John 6:44 says,

44 No man can come to the Father except the Father (helkuo) drag him.

These two verses simply means that God will impose His Will upon all men one day and drag them into Judgement. He has the power and will to do this. In essence, God's Will is a lot more powerful than man's so called free will.

 

[logabe]

"Abraham believed in the LORD, and it was counted to him for righteousness."

That sounds like the New Testament... Romans 10:10 says,

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So in order to be saved we must become Abrahams seed.

 

[bbyrd009]

Righteousness is not salvation.

Little children, do not be deceived

 

[bbyrd009]

Revelation 22:17 invites believers, not unbelievers who cannot hear the call.

Anyone who is thirsty should come. Anyone who wants to take the free gift of the water of life should do so

imo your Hegelian distinction of "believers" is going to betray you Dave
although i know that seems fine, you have to now define "believers," see, you already have basically, "believers" conform to a certain definition in your mind already right.

 

[Dave L]

Anyone who is thirsty should come. Anyone who wants to take the free gift of the water of life should do so

imo your Hegelian distinction of "believers" is going to betray you Dave

People love sin more than God, unless born again. So it applies only to these and condemns the rest, wadr.

 

[bbyrd009]

Aren't we doing the same avoiding my claim that free will changes the gospel into law

nope,

You have refused to answer my questions and comments from #194 & #236.

^

 

[bbyrd009]

People love sin more than God, unless born again. So it applies only to these and condemns the rest, wadr.

you are adroit and dancing around bushes Dave, but all you have done here is avoid my Q too ok, no offense.

 

[justbyfaith]

Well, let's see. Hitler walked in the light he had.

Hitler walked in darkness in spite of the light that was given to him.

That sounds like the New Testament... Romans 10:10 says,

10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

So in order to be saved we must become Abrahams seed.

It hails form the Old Testament, and is the OT foundation with Paul of New Testament belief about justification by faith.

Abraham's seed, In Galatians, is those who are in Christ through faith in Christ. I say "is" because the seed is singular, not plural. The seed is Christ, and in order to be a part of it you must be a member of the body of Christ through faith in Him.

 

[Dave L]

Hitler walked in darkness in spite of the light that was given to him.

Isn't light knowledge?

 

[bbyrd009]

Isn't light knowledge?

isn't ignoring posts that you can't address darkness?

 

[Dave L]

isn't ignoring posts that you can't address darkness?

Please give an example wadr......

 

[bbyrd009]

Please give an example wadr......

what, you mean again, Dave?

 

[Dave L]

what, you mean again, Dave?

isn't ignoring posts that you can't address darkness?

I see only empty claims against me with no substance.

 

[logabe]

Isn't light knowledge?

It sure is!