Muslim Beheadings

[Naomi25]

ah, not at all, i will not reap from what you have sown, i have no dog in this hunt, you can peer in on sin to your heart's content, and watch literal beheadings all day long if you want ok. You can define them as Muslims if you like, even though by the same measure you reject Hitler as a Christian, and you can even turn the focus on me when it suits you, to deflect from the real issues; or maybe they are fake issues, i don't know, but i do know they are being avoided strenuously, which if they were spurious i would think i would have been beheaded a long time ago?

So, you suddenly prefer to discuss the "tenor" of my posts? ok fine, your thread after all.
As to Muslim sympathies, tbh not really, or i would go "convert" to Islam right

I'm sorry, but to call Hitler a Christian show a total and fundamental ignorance about what a Christian is, and how a Christian functions.
As it is said: "You shall know them by their fruit."
Hitler produced rotten, rotten fruit. That man, if he DID claim Christ, lied through his bushy mustache.

 

[Naomi25]

Well my dear...when I became a Christian in the early 60's ..we had many Missionaries..preach at out church...( China and India mostly)

We also cut our teeth on missionary books...like "The Triumph Of John and Betty Stam"...( China) both beheaded in the village square.
They hid their baby in the bedsheets and she was saved and brought out. Also "Through The Gates Of Splendour" ( South America)
And many many many more. God was their king too..but He gave them a very different "way of escape in time of trouble"....
God promises to be WITH us in trouble...He does not promise that we wont have to pay any price...
That is what we "sign up for", as Christians.

Just saying...

Can I like this post twice?

 

[Naomi25]

so you say anyway, sure; imo common sense would have directed them to beautiful are the feet there?
horse puckey, we are clearly commanded to hide or flee from impending disaster, and not be throwing pearls to swine, so to speak.
"...lest they turn and trample you" see? or don't see, but imo your God/king ppl were obviously as deceived as the kid who just died, etc

but Keraz agrees with you, fwiw :)
so no offense but maybe it's time to pause and reflect

One wonders,then, why ALL the Disciples, but John, died violently as martyrs for the faith? In fact, Jesus told Peter that is exactly what would happen to him. Did he tell Peter to high tail it?
What about Paul? You couldn't threaten that guy with anything. Death? Who cares, he'd be with Christ. Torture; he'd be happy to suffer for his Lord. Jail? Bring it on, he'd convert the jailers and prisoners. And this man told us directly to be like him, to copy him.

But, of course, I know you don't think too much of scripture. So, this might not matter to you all that much. For for most of us, who consider what Christ has promised us, now, and in the future? We want that enough for others to put our own well being aside. It's called caring for anothers' souls since you know yours is secure. That's why Christ said: "fear not him who can kill the body, but Him who can send you to hell" (paraphrase). It's also called the Great Commission. That's also in the Bible, should you care to check.

 

[friend of]

I'm not Islamic scholar, but I do know that moderate passive muslims can and are viewed as pariahs by a sizable percentage of muslims that do believe Jihad must be waged in some form in order to be considered a Muslim at all. Moderate Muslim is almost an oxymoron.

 

[friend of]

Christians off the planet, and if those days are not shortened NO FLESH WILL BE SAVED

Right, Christian's and Jews are Satans #1 target and he's going to do everything he can to focus on exterminating these groups first. Then he will likely find ways to increase sectarianism, factions and infighting within the NWO ideologies subserviant to his own world system for the purpose of perpetuating war and death. Now consider the killing technology that exists today and how it will be utilized. Satan isn't going to stop killing humanity once these two groups are mostly eliminated during the last years of the great tribulation, he's going to go on and kill as many as he can after giving the mark to as many as possible. If the Lord was not to return at the appointed time to stop what can be interpreted as the total expected extinction of humanity, that is precisely what Satan would do. If he was allowed to progress past the 7 years there's really no telling how he would accomplish this. nuclear war, virus in the mark of the beast, shutting down the one world financial system so that nobody could eat and starve everyone to death.

The scripture says that He will destroy them with the sound of His voice, not by beheading

Also with fire! But I think the fire is after Satan is released from his 1000 year imprisonment.

The practice of beheading has always been Satan's method of choice for killing his enemies

I recently learned that another reason behind beheading, in addition to its expediency, is that the governing powers will be harvesting the organs of all who refuse to worship the beast. It'll be a legitimization of black market organ harvesting, which couldn't happen if saints are being killed with poisoning, bullets, or torture, because such methods of death have the potential to harm vital organs which are going to be worth a lot of money. It will also "help" many patients waiting on long donor lists and so will appear to be a smart, progressive way to accomplish medical needs during the antichrist's reign. Hahah

 

[Hidden In Him]

Satan isn't going to stop killing humanity once these two groups are mostly eliminated during the last years of the great tribulation, he's going to go on and kill as many as he can after giving the mark to as many as possible.

Absolutely. Now I interpret the word "flesh" in "no flesh will be saved" to mean Jewish flesh in particular because of the context in which the statement is made. But it is indeed true what you are saying here. There are prophecies in Revelation to this effect, though I'd have to go back and find them, but the Antichrist won't just go after the Jews and Christians. He will then turn to waging war in an attempt to bring everyone on the planet under subservience to Islam or die, and there will still be nations whose citizens have not yet fully submitted.

I recently learned that another reason behind beheading, in addition to its expediency, is that the governing powers will be harvesting the organs of all who refuse to worship the beast. It'll be a legitimization of black market organ harvesting, which couldn't happen if saints are being killed with poisoning, bullets, or torture, because such methods of death have the potential to harm vital organs which are going to be worth a lot of money. It will also "help" many patients waiting on long donor lists and so will appear to be a smart, progressive way to accomplish medical needs during the antichrist's reign. Hahah

Ick, and total Ick! LoL. Thanks for grossing me out.

 

[bbyrd009]

I'm sorry, but to call Hitler a Christian show a total and fundamental ignorance about what a Christian is, and how a Christian functions.
As it is said: "You shall know them by their fruit."
Hitler produced rotten, rotten fruit. That man, if he DID claim Christ, lied through his bushy mustache.

that was the point after all? See if Hitler doesn't get to claim "Christian" by the same mechanism that we condemn the Muslim Beheaders then that makes one a hypocrite, right

One wonders,then, why ALL the Disciples, but John, died violently as martyrs for the faith? In fact, Jesus told Peter that is exactly what would happen to him. Did he tell Peter to high tail it?
What about Paul? You couldn't threaten that guy with anything. Death? Who cares, he'd be with Christ. Torture; he'd be happy to suffer for his Lord. Jail? Bring it on, he'd convert the jailers and prisoners. And this man told us directly to be like him, to copy him.

not disagreeing, but imo the circumstances were quite a bit different for those, and as you are still convinced you are reading literal history i don't see a way to proceed here sorry. Maybe if you reffed a particular story we could see

But, of course, I know you don't think too much of scripture.

i think enough of It to treat It with more respect than i usually witness, ahem, but i would ask if you feel this way then why are you even tagging me? Ah, i see that's about to come out below,

So, this might not matter to you all that much. For for most of us, who consider what Christ has promised us, now, and in the future? We want that enough for others to put our own well being aside. It's called caring for anothers' souls since you know yours is secure. That's why Christ said: "fear not him who can kill the body, but Him who can send you to hell" (paraphrase). It's also called the Great Commission. That's also in the Bible, should you care to check.

ok thanks, and i know this seems all responsible and caring and all ok, but i would be passing on most anything that someone else wants for me, and wadr so would you Naomi. I want you to read Scripture from the perspective in which It was written, too, and realize how obviously Hegelian your interpretations are at the moment, so what right. I mean are you feeling the love yet? lol

It does seem hard to imagine Sharia law taking over here and in the US. But consider. It wasn't to long ago that Europe was a haven of Christian advancement. It saw incredible theologians...the reformation, coming from it! And yet today Sharia is recognized in many of it's Countries. News report after news report comes from it of Muslims 'getting away with' horrible crimes, or running rampant. Unless they do something drastic, it is too late for Europe. It may be too late regardless.
So...would it surprise us if something as shocking happened here? If someone as terrible as Hilary got in, the flood gates would have opened. Still could next election. It takes time to build up, but not long to slide to the woeful bottom.

the struggle is real, huh Naomi :)
see, where your treasure is, there is your heart too see, so all that other speechifying is just window dressing k
this confession right here pins you plainly to a roadmap, see

fwiw Sharia court is right down the road from you now, been there for a while; been in our Scripture that you love so much more than me for quite a bit longer though, k

 

[CoreIssue]

It does seem hard to imagine Sharia law taking over here and in the US. But consider. It wasn't to long ago that Europe was a haven of Christian advancement. It saw incredible theologians...the reformation, coming from it! And yet today Sharia is recognized in many of it's Countries. News report after news report comes from it of Muslims 'getting away with' horrible crimes, or running rampant. Unless they do something drastic, it is too late for Europe. It may be too late regardless.
So...would it surprise us if something as shocking happened here? If someone as terrible as Hilary got in, the flood gates would have opened. Still could next election. It takes time to build up, but not long to slide to the woeful bottom.

The AC will happened to Europe.

It will be like when Alexander the great united all the Greek nations into his empire.

The Bible tells us the 10 toes are the 10 nations the Roman Empire divided into. It says he will reunite them as his empire.

The AC and Islam will be deadly enemies. The AC deadly to anyone that does not worship him as God Emperor.

 

[Jay Ross]

The AC will happened to Europe.

It will be like when Alexander the great united all the Greek nations into his empire.

The Bible tells us the 10 toes are the 10 nations the Roman Empire divided into. It says he will reunite them as his empire.

The AC and Islam will be deadly enemies. The AC deadly to anyone that does not worship him as God Emperor.

Were in the scriptures does it tell us that the 10 toes of the feet referenced in the Statue prophecy about dominion over Babylon does it specifically mention the Roman Empire?

My understanding is that we are being forced by the adoption of this interpretation and/or theology to be looking in the wrong places for understanding.

Perhaps, when we come to understand the Prophecies of Daniel a little better, that we will come to understand the lie that we have been sold by Satan.

Shalom

 

[amadeus]

so you say anyway, sure; imo common sense would have directed them to beautiful are the feet there?
horse puckey, we are clearly commanded to hide or flee from impending disaster, and not be throwing pearls to swine, so to speak.
"...lest they turn and trample you" see? or don't see, but imo your God/king ppl were obviously as deceived as the kid who just died, etc

but Keraz agrees with you, fwiw :)
so no offense but maybe it's time to pause and reflect

I believe that Helen's @"ByGrace" intention, when using the expression, "it's what we signed up for" is that it should be, but actually many who start out on milk stop as babies never progressing to the meat which would really prepare them to undergo whatever it takes. Not every believer in Jesus is likely to lose his natural head to a guillotine, but we should be growing toward God so that if that is what our lot is to be according to Him, we will be able to handle it.

Many people I guess would do better as new, young followers of Christ without ever having received the indoctrination [brainwashing] and the lessons on how to quench the Holy Spirit that most church settings these days teach.

God does have a purpose for His people today... and it is NOT for us all to prosper in the things of this world of men never having to really physically and/or spiritually suffer.

 

[amadeus]

I'm sorry, but to call Hitler a Christian show a total and fundamental ignorance about what a Christian is, and how a Christian functions.
As it is said: "You shall know them by their fruit."
Hitler produced rotten, rotten fruit. That man, if he DID claim Christ, lied through his bushy mustache.

Was Hitler a liar when he claimed to be a Christian? According to his own definition perhaps he was a Christian, but how many who fought against in WWII and now on all sides of all issues effectively do the same thing?

"God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged." Rom 3:4

Because our death toll is lower, does it make us less guilty? If we hold onto any of our lies, do we avoid the wages of sin?

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." Rev 21:8

Pointing our finger at those we are certain are worse than we are, does not win anything for us with God.

Jesus would not compromise at all, even if it meant he would walk this Way all alone:

"From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.
Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?" John 6:66-67

 

[bbyrd009]

God does have a purpose for His people today... and it is NOT for us all to prosper in the things of this world of men never having to really physically and/or spiritually suffer.

yup, "remember, in your life you had all the good things" is prolly not the most pleasant v for US to contemplate huh :/

 

[CoreIssue]

Were in the scriptures does it tell us that the 10 toes of the feet referenced in the Statue prophecy about dominion over Babylon does it specifically mention the Roman Empire?

My understanding is that we are being forced by the adoption of this interpretation and/or theology to be looking in the wrong places for understanding.

Perhaps, when we come to understand the Prophecies of Daniel a little better, that we will come to understand the lie that we have been sold by Satan.

Shalom

The waist and hips of the statue of Daniel are Rome. They split into the two legs which the Roman Empire did into the East and West. Then the feet split into 10 toes.

Then the AC comes along,
the little horn, and reunites the 10 toes into his his empire.

Bible Prophecy - 10 Nations of the Roman Empire Will Reunite

ESCHATOLOGY TODAY: TEN TOES

And note in revelations the dead head that comes back to life. That is Greece, specifically the demon of Alexander the great.

Compare the life of Alexander and the description of the AC, they are one and the same. A homosexual who quickly unites independent nations into his empire which he uses to conquer others. And his main tool of conquest's treaties, the rider with a bowl but no arrows on a white horse.

So the AC is not going to be a Muslim and mystery Babylon is not the ancient literal Babylon.

 

[amadeus]

yup, "remember, in your life you had all the good things" is prolly not the most pleasant v for US to contemplate huh :/

Amen! We must be ready for whatever He has for us. People may make it through with somewhat less, but to proceed with such an expectation would likely in itself be redirecting themselves toward a bottomless pit. We cannot purposely lean back on our laurels as that is taking the middle road. Those get spit out of His mouth.

 

[Jay Ross]

The waist and hips of the statue of Daniel are Rome. They split into the two legs which the Roman Empire did into the East and West. Then the feet split into 10 toes.

Then the AC comes along,
the little horn, and reunites the 10 toes into his his empire.

Bible Prophecy - 10 Nations of the Roman Empire Will Reunite

ESCHATOLOGY TODAY: TEN TOES

And note in revelations the dead head that comes back to life. That is Greece, specifically the demon of Alexander the great.

Compare the life of Alexander and the description of the AC, they are one and the same. A homosexual who quickly unites independent nations into his empire which he uses to conquer others. And his main tool of conquest's treaties, the rider with a bowl but no arrows on a white horse.

So the AC is not going to be a Muslim and mystery Babylon is not the ancient literal Babylon.

So you have referenced two web site which provide speculation as to who the ten toes of the Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy represents.

In the Book of Daniel, it clearly tells us who the second and third segments, of the Statue prophecy, are, but Daniel does not reveal to us who the four and fifth segment of the statue are.

In Jeremiah 50 we are told that during the time that Babylon will be destroyed, that Israel and Judah will be coming together and collectively seek to return to the Lord and seek out the way to Mt Zion. This chapter also recounts that during the time of the first king of the north, that Babylon will be made desolate and will be devasted for a period of around 2,000 plus years before it will be remembered again and after a relatively short period of time another king from a country to their north will lead many countries against Babylon, not to destroy it but to heal the land of the Chaldeans.

We have seen all this unfold in our recent past and during our present lifetimes.

Jeremiah also does not tell us who the many countries are, but he does tell us when this will happen.

Few if any European nations were part of this group of many nations.

As such you have not provided any evidence to support what you have written or plagiarised through links.

In other words, what you have posted suggested that you personally have no evidence to support your theories.

Shalom

 

[CoreIssue]

So you have referenced two web site which provide speculation as to who the ten toes of the Daniel 2 Statue Prophecy represents.

In the Book of Daniel, it clearly tells us who the second and third segments, of the Statue prophecy, are, but Daniel does not reveal to us who the four and fifth segment of the statue are.

In Jeremiah 50 we are told that during the time that Babylon will be destroyed, that Israel and Judah will be coming together and collectively seek to return to the Lord and seek out the way to Mt Zion. This chapter also recounts that during the time of the first king of the north, that Babylon will be made desolate and will be devasted for a period of around 2,000 plus years before it will be remembered again and after a relatively short period of time another king from a country to their north will lead many countries against Babylon, not to destroy it but to heal the land of the Chaldeans.

We have seen all this unfold in our recent past and during our present lifetimes.

Jeremiah also does not tell us who the many countries are, but he does tell us when this will happen.

Few if any European nations were part of this group of many nations.

As such you have not provided any evidence to support what you have written or plagiarised through links.

In other words, what you have posted suggested that you personally have no evidence to support your theories.

Shalom

Everyone uses the works of others. The Bible is the works of others.

The identities of the nations in the statute are history and agree with what is said about the four beasts.

John lived during Rome. It is history it divided in two and then 10. It is currently history 10 have reunited in EU.

The country to the north to the north is Russia. It will ally with Germany and Iran to attack Israel. The AC will stop then make war on the Middle East. The US (Island of the West) will intervene to stop him. He will turn back and conquer Israel at MidTrib.

Do not ask me to post proofs. I don't feel like writing a book here.

As you can see here I have done some heavy writing on multiple subjects.

Commentaries by CoreIssue

 

[Naomi25]

that was the point after all? See if Hitler doesn't get to claim "Christian" by the same mechanism that we condemn the Muslim Beheaders then that makes one a hypocrite, right

Okay. However, the bible does not, as you've pointed out, give leave for Hitler to do what he did. The Koran, meanwhile, tells the Muslims to behead the infidels. That's us, by the way.
So, in point of fact, while the Muslims try and hoodwink the world and tell us it's actually a religion of peace, those who are actually being most true to its teachings, are the extremists.

not disagreeing, but imo the circumstances were quite a bit different for those, and as you are still convinced you are reading literal history i don't see a way to proceed here sorry. Maybe if you reffed a particular story we could see

So...let me get this straight. You like to reference the bible to make certain points. Points like "hide or flee" (although you never like to show where in scripture you find these little tidbits). But when it comes to others making points of their own, you simply toss out things like "oh, foolish you, taking all that so literally! We can't DO that with scripture!"
Either your faith and your belief is built on scripture and the soundness, the solidness of it. Is it true, or is it not. Or your faith is built on nothing but subjective fancifulness that is liable to be twisted by anyone who comes along. And, oh wait! That's just what happened...

i think enough of It to treat It with more respect than i usually witness, ahem, but i would ask if you feel this way then why are you even tagging me? Ah, i see that's about to come out below,
ok thanks, and i know this seems all responsible and caring and all ok, but i would be passing on most anything that someone else wants for me, and wadr so would you Naomi. I want you to read Scripture from the perspective in which It was written, too, and realize how obviously Hegelian your interpretations are at the moment, so what right. I mean are you feeling the love yet? lol

I cannot see how my philosophy could be more unlike Hegelian, frankly. You think I'm all about trying to pair it down to a strictly rational idealism? I believe is a supernatural God who acts in ways that will always remain a mystery to us, and as such man will never be able to rationally understand His ways or full nature. That is WHY, though, scripture is so important. God has given it to us so that we may understand that much about him, and his actions here on earth. To dismiss his words as only a philosophical path to a better understanding of self, and therefore it can be both symbolic and flexible, is both a mockery of God and a total misunderstanding of his word.

And if you're talking about reading scripture from the perspective of how it was written, whether genre, culture or date, none of those things, while important, change the fundamental fact that God calls his disciples...ALL of his disciples (that's Christians) to take the good news to the Nations. He tells us that suffering will occur, even death, and that physical death and suffering in this age, this time, is nothing compared to the glory that is prepared for us. In fact, there are so many passages that speak of this, that I cannot really comprehend how you came up with the "run and hide" notion. How you can disdain all the martyrs over the centuries who stood proud in their faith even in unspeakable death. You don't endure that sort of thing without God's direct empowering. And in many, many place of the world today, and over the centuries, there was no option of running and hiding. Becoming a Christian basically signed your death warrent. Should we suggest that the bible suggests that they should not have done that, because it is better to run and hide than die for the Lord? You know the bible doesn't teach that.
For those of us sure of eternity, death in this life hold no real sting, it is but a gateway.

the struggle is real, huh Naomi :)
see, where your treasure is, there is your heart too see, so all that other speechifying is just window dressing k
this confession right here pins you plainly to a roadmap, see

fwiw Sharia court is right down the road from you now, been there for a while; been in our Scripture that you love so much more than me for quite a bit longer though, k

And once again you veer off into language I don't get. What treasure? What speechifying? What confession and why does it pin me to a roadmap?
How is a Sharia court right down the road from me? Are you speaking in time? How is it in scripture?
I wish when you made all these comments you'd paint them out a little. It's like you make comments thinking people have all the context, but really, they've come in at the end of the conversation, speaking a different language.

 

[Nancy]

Well my dear...when I became a Christian in the early 60's ..we had many Missionaries..preach at out church...( China and India mostly)

We also cut our teeth on missionary books...like "The Triumph Of John and Betty Stam"...( China) both beheaded in the village square.
They hid their baby in the bedsheets and she was saved and brought out. Also "Through The Gates Of Splendour" ( South America)
And many many many more. God was their king too..but He gave them a very different "way of escape in time of trouble"....
God promises to be WITH us in trouble...He does not promise that we wont have to pay any price...
That is what we "sign up for", as Christians.

Just saying...

Indeed Helen,
We are promised all kinds of trials and tribulations. Yes, yes, yes-He promises to be WITH us through the storms...opportunities to exercise our faith - and that can be tough to do sometimes...

 

[Naomi25]

The AC will happened to Europe.

It will be like when Alexander the great united all the Greek nations into his empire.

The Bible tells us the 10 toes are the 10 nations the Roman Empire divided into. It says he will reunite them as his empire.

The AC and Islam will be deadly enemies. The AC deadly to anyone that does not worship him as God Emperor.

It could happen this way, yes. I'm not saying it won't. I haven't, myself, formed any hard and fast opinions on who the AC will be or where he will arise from. I tend to think that when he does come upon the scene, he will be so Anti-God, so Christian hating, that as the people of God, we will not be able to mistake him. Of course, I know you believe we will be out of here by the time he arrives. And while I don't really agree, It would be nice if you were right! But, when push comes to shove, if things will get horrifying for the last 7 years, then eternity, I think we'll do okay. We have too much to live for and look forward to, to fall away from the faith.
I know a lot of people accuse the 'Rapture folk' of being in danger of that...too busy preparing to get taken away, that they'll fall in a heap when they have to go through the hardship. I don't see it myself. When your faith is in Christ, not a Rapture, however awesome a Rapture might be, then you persevere through anything, regardless. Being disappointed is not the same as being apostate.

 

[CoreIssue]

It could happen this way, yes. I'm not saying it won't. I haven't, myself, formed any hard and fast opinions on who the AC will be or where he will arise from. I tend to think that when he does come upon the scene, he will be so Anti-God, so Christian hating, that as the people of God, we will not be able to mistake him. Of course, I know you believe we will be out of here by the time he arrives. And while I don't really agree, It would be nice if you were right! But, when push comes to shove, if things will get horrifying for the last 7 years, then eternity, I think we'll do okay. We have too much to live for and look forward to, to fall away from the faith.
I know a lot of people accuse the 'Rapture folk' of being in danger of that...too busy preparing to get taken away, that they'll fall in a heap when they have to go through the hardship. I don't see it myself. When your faith is in Christ, not a Rapture, however awesome a Rapture might be, then you persevere through anything, regardless. Being disappointed is not the same as being apostate.

Preparing to go? That is absurd. When the time arrives we will go but until then we continue to live our lives.

My faith is not in the rapture. It is in Jesus who promised the rapture.

What is promised in eternity and to me personally makes the idea of worshiping the rapture absurd to me.