On How to be saved

[justbyfaith]

Well no one has an absolute right to dictate what a person believes... not even if he is right and the other person is wrong. Jesus did some things we cannot do for the most part, but he also did not demand obedience or belief from people

He certainly didn't demand obedience or belief from people...He only made faith/belief in Him the prerequisite for entering into His kingdom...iow, He taught that if anyone does not place their faith in Him (to put it bluntly...) they will go to hell.

See John 14:6, Matthew 7:13-14. Verses on hell conveniently provided in post #220 (On How to be saved) above.

 

[justbyfaith]

This is perhaps the primary reason you disagree with others and they disagree with you

If I didn't believe that I was making a difference, I wouldn't continue. Of course every person who is within "earshot" of the doctrine that I preach has the right to either receive or reject it; to respond either with softened or with hardened hearts.

This is where we need to learn to go back to the lowest room each and every time. We don't build on what we already have, we let Him build or rebuild from the ground up as He requires as per Luke 14:8-11

The foundation is Jesus Christ and we build a building on that foundation. It doesn't make much sense to demolish what we have already built and start at the foundation level every time we have new materials to add to the building. You will not have a very good building out of such a building practice; in fact, you may not have a building in the end, at all. This is the scripture that speaks of the issue clearly, in 1 Corinthians 3:9-15.

The scripture that you have brought up has more to do with exalting or humbling yourself before the King.

 

[justbyfaith]

Subjective experience may or may not be based in reality...but if you are a born again Christian, you know that the reality that brings salvation is dictated by the word of the Lord, and that every person either believes or does not believe the reality that is dictated by the word of the Lord.

Again, truth is not a subjective thing based on our experience...it is an objective reality that is written down for all to see; and to either believe or not believe.

God has magnified His word above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

 

[bbyrd009]

Imo the spiritual doesn't negate the literal, but is demonstrated by the literal. Of all people Jesus, one would think, could have passed by John or told him to cease and desist because ritualism was no longer the thing. Yet instead He not only was baptised by him, but told the disciples to baptise others... And they did, as demonstrated by Paul, Apollo's etc.

oh well i don't mean to slight ritual baptism, i did it, twice i think--y'know cause i didn't do it right the first time?--um, so i only mean to say that the meaning changes over time, and even the words, the Rhema, will be interpreted differently down the road. As one's def of baptism changes, the vv will change too. Do you have a ritual for the baptism of fire?
yes, you do

 

[bbyrd009]

The Truth will always stand...

He has magnified His word above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

Christians demand scripture, so the devil gives it to them

while i agree that the Bible is not the Book of Truth and doesn't supercede Word, i don't think you can rationally defend that either mjr, if for no other reason than that the definition of "Scripture" has now been subverted. We live in a world of casual fiction now, but "Scripture" has a diff meaning, even if it will also even tell us that scribes will do what scribes do.

To say that satan gives us Scripture is pretty out of line imo, even if deeming it Word or Truth is too

 

[amadeus]

He certainly didn't demand obedience or belief from people...He only made faith/belief in Him the prerequisite for entering into His kingdom...iow, He taught that if anyone does not place their faith in Him (to put it bluntly...) they will go to hell.

See John 14:6, Matthew 7:13-14. Verses on hell conveniently provided in post #220 (On How to be saved) above.

Jesus did not even make that so only with his appearance here in the flesh. God's entire plan was certainly spoken and in place from the very initial foundation of the world whenever and wherever and whatever that was. Certainly before my time... if time is meaningful in this regard.

I won't get into what I believe hell is or is not here. I stand with a relatively small group in this regard. That is another can of worms.

 

[amadeus]

If I didn't believe that I was making a difference, I wouldn't continue. Of course every person who is within "earshot" of the doctrine that I preach has the right to either receive or reject it; to respond either with softened or with hardened hearts.

It good that you believe what you do is worth continuing. Most of us here may be able to say that about ourselves. Also as you indicate, your efforts and mine may not accomplish what we would like to see. Hopefully, they will in any case please God because we do them.

The foundation is Jesus Christ and we build a building on that foundation. It doesn't make much sense to demolish what we have already built and start at the foundation level every time we have new materials to add to the building. You will not have a very good building out of such a building practice; in fact, you may not have a building in the end, at all. This is the scripture that speaks of the issue clearly, in 1 Corinthians 3:9-15.

I am not demolishing anything. Neither am I building anything. I simply don't let myself get so attached to my own tower of Babel as it seemingly reaches toward heaven that I cannot let go of it when God confuses our languages. There is still a Light ahead even when no one understands us.

Who is it that understands and/or knows Jesus so well that he can always even see where that foundation and how to add building materials to it? Who is doing the building?

"Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?
Hath not my hand made all these things?" Acts 7:49-50

"Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure." Dan 2:45

The scripture that you have brought up has more to do with exalting or humbling yourself before the King.

It means that and much more than that to me. It was the basis for God bringing me back to Him after being separated for 10 years. Have you decided for yourself to what extent you should be humble?

Give God the glory!

 

[justbyfaith]

your efforts and mine may not accomplish what we would like to see.

See Isaiah 55:10-11.

Since my desire is that the word of the Lord accomplish whatever He desires for it to accomplish, I think that your statement will turn out to be untrue.

 

[amadeus]

See Isaiah 55:10-11.

Since my desire is that the word of the Lord accomplish whatever He desires for it to accomplish, I think that your statement will turn out to be untrue.

That would depend I guess on how much of our fleshly ways have mixed into our supposedly godly ways.

 

[justbyfaith]

That would depend I guess on how much of our fleshly ways have mixed into our supposedly godly ways.

2 Corinthians 6:8.

 

[amadeus]

2 Corinthians 6:8.

 

[Helen]

To say that satan gives us Scripture is pretty out of line imo, even if deeming it Word or Truth is too

I agree with him (mjrh ) I have known too many in my time who declare that "God gave them a word"... they can be so sure of it..but it was obvious to others that 'the word' was not from the Lord, but from the Enemy.
Maybe you remember back to last year when I shared in a post somewhere, about two lovely men that we knew well.
Believed that God had spoken a certain verse to them. They both ended up committing suicide. One back in the 1970's in England..and one in the late 1980's here.

We know that Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in the wilderness.
He knows his bible well!!!!!

I do agree..the word "scripture" means a variety of different things these days!!

 

[justbyfaith]

Everybody had better ask the Lord for the gift of strong discernment...because without it we are all sitting ducks when the devil comes against us with scripture!

 

[mjrhealth]

He has magnified His word above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

Oh that He did, just not the bible,

You know this bit...

Joh_6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

His words are Spirit,, which is why,

2Co_3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

which is why

Rom_8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

and that is why God has very few sons.

It is His Words that formed the galaxy, they spoke the world into existence, it is His word on which the planets and the stars hang on, to keep them in there proper place, it is by His word that the sun rises and sets, it is by His word that the earth rotates around the sun, that cause the time and the seasons, it is His Word that holds all this together, if we removed every single bible from this earth so it never existed, His word would still remain, but if He retracted His word, we and all this He has given us, will no longer exist.

But you did answer my question, because if God did tell you the truth you would like so many tell Him He is wrong, because the bible says, and so you would sin against God, so therefore have made yourself unteachable, because God would not for your benefit put you into a position where you could sin against Him and so He says nothing and you remain as far from Him as you have chosen, you say you fear God so you even have made Him unapproachable.

Act 17:27 That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:
Act 17:28 For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.

But how can man seek that which is above when they prefer that which is below.

 

[justbyfaith]

Subjective experience may or may not be based in reality...but if you are a born again Christian, you know that the reality that brings salvation is dictated by the word of the Lord (the Holy Bible), and that every person either believes or does not believe the reality that is dictated by the word of the Lord (the Holy Bible).

Again, truth is not a subjective thing based on our experience...it is an objective reality that is written down for all to see; and to either believe or to not believe.

God has magnified His word (the Holy Bible) above all His name (Psalms 138:2).

 

[justbyfaith]

God has given us His word (the Holy Bible) because there is a devil who would come to us with lies (even claiming to be the Lord God, desiring to be worshipped); and God's prescribed way for us to deal with him is to say, "It is written..." (Matthew 4:1-11, Luke 4:1-13).

 

[justbyfaith]

It is written...2 Timothy 3:15-16 (kjv).

 

[Episkopos]

How are we to be saved?

By living a life that is pleasing to God.

 

[bbyrd009]

I agree with him (mjrh ) I have known too many in my time who declare that "God gave them a word"... they can be so sure of it..but it was obvious to others that 'the word' was not from the Lord, but from the Enemy.

so who's calling that Scripture though, i mean that is not Scripture is it?

 

[bbyrd009]

Maybe you remember back to last year when I shared in a post somewhere, about two lovely men that we knew well.
Believed that God had spoken a certain verse to them. They both ended up committing suicide. One back in the 1970's in England..and one in the late 1980's here.

We know that Satan quoted scripture to Jesus in the wilderness.
He knows his bible well!!!!!

satan's Quoting is for a guide to the men's Quoting imo, who did it the same way, the same way most Christians do i guess, that being Quoting a single v as if it were truth, thus demonstrating that they are deceived