The Devil's Lies Must be Exposed - Do Not Be Deceived

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The anti-christ cannot rise from the Church as the Church has been raptured out by that time. Perhaps he will have something to do with the apostate church which is left behind, but that is just a religious group, not the Church of Jesus Christ.

anti-christ is more 'anti' in reference to Israel, not the Church. The Jews will be ready to receive him whereas they rejected the true Christ.

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I see the prefix 'anti' as the Greek indicates, as meaning instead of, in place of. While it certainly is against, when it comes to the real Antichrist, it is against by means of replacing Christ in the minds of Christ's followers. They believe they are following Christ, but they are in reality following a counterfeit. Here's a link to an article I wrote explaining it more fully. Bear in mind that I am convinced, by both history and prophecy, that the Antichrist is already here, and been here since the 6 th century.
Antichrist Revealed
 
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I see the prefix 'anti' as the Greek indicates, as meaning instead of, in place of. While it certainly is against, when it comes to the real Antichrist, it is against by means of replacing Christ in the minds of Christ's followers. They believe they are following Christ, but they are in reality following a counterfeit. Here's a link to an article I wrote explaining it more fully. Bear in mind that I am convinced, by both history and prophecy, that the Antichrist is already here, and been here since the 6 th century.
Antichrist Revealed

Of course the anti-christ, will be the replacement of Christ in the minds of the deceived. But this will have an affect more on the Jews who are anticipating their Messiah, or Christ. They rejected the true Christ. But they will follow the anti-christ...at least for a while.

I am certain that satan is ready in every generation to plug his man in when the time is right. But that time is dictated by God.

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I usually agree with you on most things...but I can't on this...
We cannot be so sure about another persons heart.

I have written this before so sorry for the repeat. I know of two lovely men. Both wonderful preachers...saved and touch hundreds of lives.
One back when we were still in England in the 70's and one over here, not as long ago. Both fell in a time of weakness , both fell.

Both committed suicide in anguish of soul, believing that they had moved beyond redemption by this sin.
My hubby and I spent hours with both. Both were so plagued by the chattering of the Enemy in their ears they could not hear our words or Gods. Repent? They were totally broken, they could not believe that God could possibly forgive them. Neither had sinned as much as King David had...yet they could not grasp that if God accepted Davids repentance He would just as much accept theirs.
The demons were doing an number on both...both stopped eating.
"The wonderful glorious Church" of God, had totally forsaken both and cut them off.
We prayed, we stayed, we tried...

We heard later that both died at their own hand. ( but actually I will say...killed by devils...like the old voodoo stuff, it you believe they have power, then you have given them power...and these men believed the devils would get them and drag them to hell. )

Two men at different times of life, two men in different continents , two men hearing the same old lies from the devils..and both believing.

Both so obviously loved God, but believed the devils lies that He could not long love them. It was heartbreaking. And they were heartbroken.

I 100% expect to see them in the kingdom.
Hi Helen. One of the absolute criteria necessary for salvation, and I have seen no one on this forum who would rise otherwise, is faith that God the Father and His Son Jesus, can and does forgive sin. All sin. Including even Hitler, Judas, on condition that such sin is forsaken. Did those two pairs believe that? The taking of one's own life indicates surely a complete lack of faith?
 
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Of course the anti-christ, will be the replacement of Christ in the minds of the deceived. But this will have an affect more on the Jews who are anticipating their Messiah, or Christ. They rejected the true Christ. But they will follow the anti-christ...at least for a while.

I am certain that satan is ready in every generation to plug his man in when the time is right. But that time is dictated by God.

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I believe there is sufficient evidence to believe Satan himself will at some time impersonate Christ literally. To many he will indeed appear to be their Messiah. The Mahdi to Islam... Messiah to the Jews... Krishna to the Hindu... And on and on. That will be the final deception before the end. But the Antichrist... Already here in the church posing as the saviour of mankind and who will soon be granted global authority over men's consciences by legislating law that conradicts God's commandments.
 
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It's not a cult. They believe the same gospel any other Christian does. I worked for one for a year, and two of my good friends today are SDA.
I believe there is sufficient evidence to believe Satan himself will at some time impersonate Christ literally. To many he will indeed appear to be their Messiah. The Mahdi to Islam... Messiah to the Jews... Krishna to the Hindu... And on and on. That will be the final deception before the end. But the Antichrist... Already here in the church posing as the saviour of mankind and who will soon be granted global authority over men's consciences by legislating law that conradicts God's commandments.

The AC impersonates Christ in the trib. Satan impersonates God the father and the false prophet the Holy Spirit.
 

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I believe there is sufficient evidence to believe Satan himself will at some time impersonate Christ literally. To many he will indeed appear to be their Messiah. The Mahdi to Islam... Messiah to the Jews... Krishna to the Hindu... And on and on. That will be the final deception before the end. But the Antichrist... Already here in the church posing as the saviour of mankind and who will soon be granted global authority over men's consciences by legislating law that conradicts God's commandments.

Just as satan indwelt Judas. (Luke 22:3-6)

As I said, satan is ready in every generation to have his man plugged in at the right time.

But, this deception will be primarily to the Jews who rejected the true Christ or Messiah.

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Just as satan indwelt Judas. (Luke 22:3-6)

As I said, satan is ready in every generation to have his man plugged in at the right time.

But, this deception will be primarily to the Jews who rejected the true Christ or Messiah.

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I think you may misunderstand me. When I say Satan will appear, I don't mean by way of possession. I mean in person. The veil between the natural and supernatural will be lifted I think in the final days and demons will walk our streets in person leading people to worship their master.
 

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I think you may misunderstand me. When I say Satan will appear, I don't mean by way of possession. I mean in person. The veil between the natural and supernatural will be lifted I think in the final days and demons will walk our streets in person leading people to worship their master.
Got an approximate date for that?
 

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I believe in it because John opened the book by saying he was already experiencing it as were the churches he was writing to. (You can read it right there at the beginning of the book.... Chapter 1, verse 9.)

The post was to brakelit.

John did not say the tribulation period was already being experienced.
 

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My last comment is not off-base.

A good Bible teacher knows facts, not error. Like a math teacher does not teach one plus one equals 11.

Are Seventh Day Adventists a Cult?

A biggie here is the claim Michael is Christ.

Another is Satan will bare our sins, not Christ.

Then there is the denial of hell and affirmation of soul sleep.

Is Seventh-Day Adventism a Cult?


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It's not a cult. They believe the same gospel any other Christian does. I worked for one for a year, and two of my good friends today are SDA.
If God used
It's not a cult. They believe the same gospel any other Christian does. I worked for one for a year, and two of my good friends today are SDA.
It's not a cult. They believe the same gospel any other Christian does. I worked for one for a year, and two of my good friends today are SDA.
I've watched Professor Veith's videos and have found them sound. He exposed the Catholic church, and showed the demonic symbolism they use - it was shocking. They also use Islamic symbolism and I think may be the creator of it (if I remember it correctly). This tied in with research I had seen of the Pope's throwing the devil's hand signs. So Professor Veith - a SDA - is doing God's work of exposing the truth of the Catholic church. I think there are some sincere Catholics, that don't know yet who the church leadership is really serving. I definitely believe that Walter Veith is doing God's work.

I see a precariousness here where we're dealing with a cunning enemy. It's just like real war where if one isn't careful they'll be severely wounded. We have an enemy who is playing for keeps. We have to use much discernment.
 

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I've watched Professor Veith's videos and have found them sound. He exposed the Catholic church, and showed the demonic symbolism they use - it was shocking. They also use Islamic symbolism and I think may be the creator of it (if I remember it correctly). This tied in with research I had seen of the Pope's throwing the devil's hand signs. So Professor Veith - a SDA - is doing God's work of exposing the truth of the Catholic church. I think there are some sincere Catholics, that don't know yet who the church leadership is really serving. I definitely believe that Walter Veith is doing God's work.

I see a precariousness here where we're dealing with a cunning enemy. It's just like real war where if one isn't careful they'll be severely wounded. We have an enemy who is playing for keeps. We have to use much discernment.

Mormons as well reveal facts about Catholicism. Does that make them Christian and good teachers?

I worked in Naval intelligence. One of the most dangerous aspects of a cunning enemy is wrapping lies around the truth. The biggest lies begin with a grain of truth.
 

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Mormons as well reveal facts about Catholicism. Does that make them Christian and good teachers?

I worked in Naval intelligence. One of the most dangerous aspects of a cunning enemy is wrapping lies around the truth. The biggest lies begin with a grain of truth.

Mormons have one of the biggest welfare programs for its members in the world. Does that make theology right?
 

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Hi Helen. One of the absolute criteria necessary for salvation, and I have seen no one on this forum who would rise otherwise, is faith that God the Father and His Son Jesus, can and does forgive sin. All sin. Including even Hitler, Judas, on condition that such sin is forsaken. Did those two pairs believe that? The taking of one's own life indicates surely a complete lack of faith?
I hate to hear stories like that because it describes two men under condemnation of "the accuser." It wasn't their own beliefs it seems, it was the enemy hammering them. I'm afraid that we've lost some of the former wisdom of the very real battle we're in. I didn't know anything about the spiritual realm, but after I was saved, and every time thereafter, especially during times of spiritual growth, I've been attacked. I wish more churches would teach on the battle. We're in a real war.