How do you hear the "still, small, voice"?

[Dave L]

You said the gifts ceased with the apostle's. (1 Cor. 12-14) shows the existence now of the gifts. So, show me in Scripture where they have ceased.

It is not I that is refusing to answer, it is you.

And I haven't forgot your statement that Paul received visions and dreams as he was a prophet and an apostle. To which I showed you that Cornelius was not, yet he received vision from the Holy Spirit. How did that happen?

Stranger

The gifts ceased. You must prove more outpourings besides the two in Acts. And that the gifts came in any other way besides an apostle's hands.

 

[Dave L]

Christs last words on earth...

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
19 So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God. - Mark 16

The new tongues are for those who believe.

It happened as stated. All tongues today are nothing like the originals and therefore bogus.

 

[Stranger]

The gifts ceased. You must prove more outpourings besides the two in Acts. And that the gifts came in any other way besides an apostle's hands.

Yes, I know you keep saying that but have no Scripture to support it. There is Scripture that shows the gifts as I gave you. (1 Cor. 12-14), and others. Now you made the statement that these have ceased. Ok. Chapter and verse.

And, why did Cornelius receive vision from God since he was not an apostle or prophet?

The questions just keep growing, don't they.

Stranger

 

[rockytopva]

You cannot prove something that is not there. So your refusal to accept the challenge proves I'm right.

You sir come across as arrogant, cold, and as your knowledge is not accompanied with a pleasant spirituality no one wants to be like you.

 

[Dave L]

Yes, I know you keep saying that but have no Scripture to support it. There is Scripture that shows the gifts as I gave you. (1 Cor. 12-14), and others. Now you made the statement that these have ceased. Ok. Chapter and verse.

And, why did Cornelius receive vision from God since he was not an apostle or prophet?

The questions just keep growing, don't they.

Stranger

You must prove the gifts came in other ways besides the two outpourings or through an apostle's hands. Until then, what I say stands.

 

[Dave L]

You sir come across as arrogant, cold, and as your knowledge is not accompanied with a pleasant spirituality no one wants to be like you.

If what I say is not true, disprove it from scripture.

 

[Stranger]

You must prove the gifts came in other ways besides the two outpourings or through an apostle's hands. Until then, what I say stands.

No, you are under the illusion that what you say stands. You have not given any support for what you say from the Bible, which you claim to be following. All you are saying is what you say stands. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

Scripture Dave. That is what you need.

Stranger

 

[rockytopva]

If what I say is not true, disprove it from scripture.

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? - Luke 18:8

I already have. The signs and gifts are for those who believe. As you believe not, they are not for you! That does not make this true for everyone. If you think the mission on earth is to annoy everyone with the ego I would recommend you look up the closest Freewill Baptist church and find out when they will be having their next foot washing! Having been cleansed from your terrific ego maybe, just maybe, you will begin to hear from God again.

 

[Dave L]

No, you are under the illusion that what you say stands. You have not given any support for what you say from the Bible, which you claim to be following. All you are saying is what you say stands. Sorry, but it doesn't work like that.

Scripture Dave. That is what you need.

Stranger

You need to prove another means of receiving the gifts existed beyond the two outpourings and the Apostle's hands. This is the link in the chain that renders all other claims to the gifts false.

 

[Dave L]

Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? - Luke 18:8

I already have. The signs and gifts are for those who believe. As you believe not, they are not for you! That does not make this true for everyone. If you think the mission on earth is to annoy everyone with the ego I would recommend you look up the closest Freewill Baptist church and find out when they will be having their next foot washing! Having been cleansed from your terrific ego maybe, just maybe, you will begin to hear from God again.

You follow a false Christ if you look beyond scripture for his instruction. Who does Jesus reject on judgement day if not the Charismatics?

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” (Matthew 7:22–23) (KJV 1900)

This does not describe the mainline churches in the least.

 

[Stranger]

You need to prove another means of receiving the gifts existed beyond the two outpourings and the Apostle's hands. This is the link in the chain that renders all other claims to the gifts false.

No I don't. The gifts of the Holy Spirit exist. Scripture is clear. Where is the Scripture saying they have ceased? You don't have any and you know it. You know it because we have discussed this before and you failed miserably as you are doing now.

Scripture Dave. That is what you need.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

No I don't. The gifts of the Holy Spirit exist. Scripture is clear. Where is the Scripture saying they have ceased? You don't have any and you know it. You know it because we have discussed this before and you failed miserably as you are doing now.

Scripture Dave. That is what you need.

Stranger

Today's "gifts" are not the originals by the least stretch of the imagination.

 

[rockytopva]

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

I believe the congregations of Christianity are seven

Messianic - The first one beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Persecuted - The second one beginning with the Apostle to the Uncircumcision, Paul
Orthodox - Beginning with Constantine
Catholic - Beginning with Charlemagne
Protestant - Beginning with Martin Luther
Great Awakening - Beginning with John Wesley
Materialistic "Laodicean" - Beginning with DL Moody

And to each congregation Christ says....

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Rev 2:7 Rev 2:11 Rev 2:17 Rev 2:29 Rev 3:6 Rev 3:13 Rev 3:22

Seven times! We must keep our ears open to what the Spirit is saying and not end up like Dave L!

 

[Stranger]

Today's "gifts" are not the originals by the least stretch of the imagination.

Chapter and verse.

And, what about Cornelius? How is it God gave him a vision and he was no prophet or apostle?

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

The mystery of the seven stars which thou sawest in my right hand, and the seven golden candlesticks. The seven stars are the angels of the seven churches: and the seven candlesticks which thou sawest are the seven churches. - Revelation 1:20

I believe the congregations of Christianity are seven

Messianic - The first one beginning with the Apostle to the Circumcision, Peter
Persecuted - The second one beginning with the Apostle to the Uncircumcision, Paul
Orthodox - Beginning with Constantine
Catholic - Beginning with Charlemagne
Protestant - Beginning with Martin Luther
Great Awakening - Beginning with John Wesley
Materialistic "Laodicean" - Beginning with DL Moody

And to each congregation Christ says....

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Rev 2:7 Rev 2:11 Rev 2:17 Rev 2:29 Rev 3:6 Rev 3:13 Rev 3:22

Seven times! We must keep our ears open to what the Spirit is saying and not end up like Dave L!

Again ZERO scripture to support this.

 

[Dave L]

Chapter and verse.

And, what about Cornelius? How is it God gave him a vision and he was no prophet or apostle?

Stranger

Do you speak in tongues?

 

[rockytopva]

Again ZERO scripture to support this.

I just gave you seven!

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Rev 2:7 Rev 2:11 Rev 2:17 Rev 2:29 Rev 3:6 Rev 3:13 Rev 3:22

 

[Dave L]

I just gave you seven!

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches. - Rev 2:7 Rev 2:11 Rev 2:17 Rev 2:29 Rev 3:6 Rev 3:13 Rev 3:22

With no scripture to support your interpretation.

 

[Stranger]

Do you speak in tongues?

That doesn't have anything to do with what we are discussing. So, again, chapter and verse that the gifts of today are not as those originally given in Scripture.

And what about Cornelius being given a vision when he was not a prophet or apostle?

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

That doesn't have anything to do with what we are discussing. So, again, chapter and verse that the gifts of today are not as those originally given in Scripture.

And what about Cornelius being given a vision when not a prophet or apostle?

Stranger

If you speak in tongues I can prove that you do not have the original gift of tongues of the bible.