Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

[Helen]

There are things we know for sure even if you do not. Are you using your level of learning as a ceiling that others cannot rise above? It seems you are.

YES, there are 'things' that we know for sure...obviously.
But most argument are about the things that no one knows for sure.
We have not seen the end of the matter yet. But people post as if the KNOW by how "they" interpret scripture, even though someone else interprets it differently!!

See my post #355 to you.

 

[Dave L]

NOW who is judging on who knows what!!

Scripture is the judge.

 

[Dave L]

YES, there are 'things' that we know for sure...obviously.
But most argument are about the things that no one knows for sure.
We have not seen the end of the matter yet. But people post as if the KNOW by how "they" interpret scripture, even though someone else interprets it differently!!

See my post #355 to you.

Are you are saying the truth cannot be known because you don't know it?

 

[101G]

Our love of God is a gift from Him, written on each man's willing heart. It doesn't come from men, but of God. Likewise the little understanding we have of Him as well- It doesn't come from men, but is a gift from God.

Therefore, I don't feel comfortable with any analogies wherein "man tells X" being compared to "God tells X", which is what I think you Sally and Jane question is leading too. There is a MOUNTAIN of difference between men saying something with his mouth, and the Holy Spirit impressing it upon a person's heart.

I agree that the Holy Spirit "TEACHES" us, hence our "Gifts".
Ephesians 4:11 "And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;

Ephesians 4:12 "For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:

Ephesians 4:13 "Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

Ephesians 4:15 "But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ"


so yes, I agree with you on who you hear, but check it out with the Spirit. Test a spirit by the Spirit.

be blessed.

 

[justbyfaith]

You insinuated I called God skitzo.

Please give the post # where I did that. The author of confusion has been at work in this particular conversation.

now you can provide an Appellation, and or the Epithet of God, or God's personal name or scripture. thanks in advance. I'll be looking for your answer.

I believe that the name of the Lord God is Jesus Christ. He is the Father who descended to become a Man; but that when He did so, He became another Person, having taken on the nature of humanity.

I just know, that I know, that I know...that when 'The Roll is called up yonder ' God will not ask :- " So, did you get your doctrine all correct?"

Doctrine is important; even essential to salvation. 1 Timothy 4:16.

and ALL will be revealed at the end of the age.

ALL is revealed to us now...we have been given the word of God, and will be held accountable for what we know it says (we will also be held accountable if we did not seek properly to know what it says) on that day.

To me, it is not a difficult book to understand. We grow in our understanding and knowledge of it as time passes. On our day of judgment, we will be held accountable for what we did understand and what we did with it in our lives. Did we obey? Did we believe what it said? Did we reject it as an authority? Did we ignore it? Did we neglect the reading of it?

These will all be points of consideration in the final judgment.

 

[Helen]

Are you are saying the truth cannot be known because you don't know it?

I am saying that we know HIM who is The Truth...
All on the list of personal beliefs I quoted, are always, always just down to how a certain person interprets what is written. If this were not so, then everyone who names the name of Christ would all believe the same thing...we don't. Therefore it is obvious that "we" do not all know everything, clearly.

I DO believe that God has designed it so , because that way we are all a vital part of His body ..TOGETHER we have all truth ...no person has everything down pat 100%
What arrogance for those who think that they do. ( and that their brother is all wrong.)

So, in answer to your post...I am 100% sure of some things....and hold them in faith. Other things...I hold very lightly ...because His full revelation has not be known on all things.

The reason for this is ..He desires that we never stop leaning into Him and have the cry of Paul when he said .. " That I may know Him..."
If Paul was still "pressing into " the things of God, and desiring to know more of Him...then who are we to say that 'We already know it all."

 

[justbyfaith]

Regardless who you've accused of having a carnal mind, whether I or Harvest it doesn't matter.

I certainly didn't say it to @Harvest 1874 at all...which is not to say that his mind isn't carnal...God is the judge of that, and so will we be, if he were to say anything that is evidently carnal, such as, "we have a schizophrenic God."

that's when they resort to misquoting, slandering, sarcasm, and false accusations. That's the type of behavior you've exhibited.

You have three fingers pointing back at you. If I have exhibited this type of behaviour at all, it has been limited to only a few words; for I know that what you accuse me of is not characteristic of who I know myself to be in the Lord.

 

[justbyfaith]

then who are we to say that 'We already know it all."

We would be those who accept the word of God as applying to us concerning what He said in 1 John 2:20 (kjv)...

But ye have an unction from the Holy One, and ye know all things.

It boils down to whether you have asked the Lord to give you an unction from the Holy Spirit or not.

 

[Dave L]

I am saying that we know HIM who is The Truth...
All on the list of personal beliefs I quoted, are always, always just down to how a certain person interprets what is written. If this were not so, then everyone who names the name of Christ would all believe the same thing...we don't. Therefore it is obvious that "we" do not all know everything, clearly.

I DO believe that God has designed it so , because that way we are all a vital part of His body ..TOGETHER we have all truth ...no person has everything down pat 100%
What arrogance for those who think that they do. ( and that their brother is all wrong.)

So, in answer to your post...I am 100% sure of some things....and hold them in faith. Other things...I hold very lightly ...because His full revelation has not be known on all things.

The reason for this is ..He desires that we never stop leaning into Him and have the cry of Paul when he said .. " That I may know Him..."
If Paul was still "pressing into " the things of God, and desiring to know more of Him...then who are we to say that 'We already know it all."

So the truth is a matter of private interpretation and opinion?
““You are not to do as we are doing here today; everyone is doing whatever seems right in his own eyes.” (Deuteronomy 12:8) (HCSB)

 

[Helen]

So the truth is a matter of private interpretation and opinion?

You tell me!!

Reading this Site...members all post saying- " THIS is the truth"
You and someone else were 'going at it' in another thread...you can't BOTH be right!!!! Therefore, it MUST be how each person interprets the word. Either that...or , you are saying that it is the fault of the Holy Spirit who has spoken something different each believer on here!!

Everyone can't be right... Although you and @justbyfaith both believe that you each are...

 

[justbyfaith]

So the truth is a matter of private interpretation and opinion?

No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20.

 

[justbyfaith]

You tell me!!

Reading this Site...members all post saying- " THIS is the truth"
You and someone else were 'going at it' in another thread...you can't BOTH be right!!!! Therefore, it MUST be how each person interprets the word. Either that...or , you are saying that it is the fault of the Holy Spirit who has spoken something different each believer on here!!

Everyone can't be right... Although you and @justbyfaith both believe that you each are...

Of course it's true that wherever there is a disagreement, either one or both parties is wrong...

 

[Helen]

Of course it's true that wherever there is a disagreement, either one or both parties is wrong...

Amen! Something we can agree on.
It blesses me to hear you say that.

 

[justbyfaith]

Amen! Something we can agree on.
It blesses me to hear you say that.

I say it based on the concept that there is such a thing as absolute truth...do you agree with that concept?

 

[101G]

I believe that the name of the Lord God is Jesus Christ. He is the Father who descended to become a Man; but that when He did so, He became another Person, having taken on the nature of humanity.

You're born again. may I add this for your edification, and not an argument. he didn't become "another" PERSON, yes he did take on a human Nature, you're 100% correct there, but as to "PERSONs" he "SHARED" or "diverse" himself in that human Nature, meaning what is Spirit in Nature is shared in that flesh.

this is the only thing that separate me from trinitarians or oneness believers. the plurility of God is not in SEPARATION, but in "SHARING" of one ownself in flesh. as G243 Allos states. yes, you're correct in ANOTHER but not in Persons. G243 allos, or "ANOTHER", expresses a numerical difference and denotes another of the same sort.

see a numerical difference siginfy the "ANOTHER", 1 2, just as you said, but see the definition of G243 allos also states this "another of the same sort". this is the key to PERSON in God

sort means, according to Dictionary.com. a particular kind, species, variety, class, or group, distinguished by a common character or nature: . the "NATURE" of God is Spirit, (Per John 4:24a).

and this same "EQUAL" Nature is bore out in
Philippians 2:6 "Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

"Form" here is "NATURE", the Lord Jesus have the SAME Nature as the Spirit God, hence G243 allos definition "a numerical difference" (meaning another, two), but of the "SAME SORT". meaning another of hinself in flesh. and one can only get this by "SHARING" and not by "SEPARATION". this is the only thing that separate the trinitarian believers and me.

so I comend you justbyfaith, you're on the right track. you can test what I posted by the Spirit, for I have give scriptures to back up what I posted.

what I have posted, I have posted this many of times. one can look back over any post I have made anywhere on this forum concering this subject matter and it's consistence with what I have posted here. I'm not about thrills or accolades, but the TRUTH.

the only thing I ask, is just to CONSIDER WHAT I HAVE POSTED, that's all.

Be blessed.


PS I'm going to be out for an hour or so. if you want to we can discuss this futher.

 

[Helen]

I say it based on the concept that there is such a thing as absolute truth...do you agree with that concept?

Yes, If you mean in the Person of Jesus Christ our Rock, our Hope, our Victory, our Destiny and our Eternal Glory and final Home.

He is our absolute Truth.
Things like we see debated and argued about on this Forum...not so much...how can it be, when everyone has their own opinion.

Anyway...that is how I understand it.

Bless you....H

 

[mjrhealth]

You appear to be judging




There are things we know for sure even if you do not. Are you using your level of learning as a ceiling that others cannot rise above? It seems you are.

And that is what you do, is it not, you use your idol to tell the rest of us we are wrong, all it seems you have is your learning

2Ti 3:5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.
2Ti 3:6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
2Ti 3:7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

It is what happens when men put there idols up before God.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

Amen! Something we can agree on.
It blesses me to hear you say that.

Just to be obstinate ---
There is technically a third option: both could be right and they are using different words to talk past each other, or talking about different aspects of the same answer.

In Protestantism with a "sola scriptura" foundation, it really does come down to that individual's interpretation of scripture and none can really be proven right over the other. It's very silly to watch Protestants try to do just that. Rather, the real foundation of Protestantism (and Christianity as a whole) is the individual's relationship with God.

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that what I meant, more accurately, is that in becoming a Man, God would have emptied Himself of the memories of being God the Father in order to be born as a human baby; and also would have had the added nature of humanity in His personality. However, the scripture suddenly comes to mind that Jesus said, "I saw satan fall like lightning from heaven." And of course, even the human Jesus was without sin in His human nature, and was the exact representation of who the Father is (Hebrews 1:3); and so their personalities, actually, would not be different. That came as a sudden revelation; and I thank you for it (and of course the Lord is ultimately responsible for any true revelation that was not previously known).

 

[Helen]

Just to be obstinate ---
There is technically a third option: both could be right and they are using different words to talk past each other, or talking about different aspects of the same answer.

YES, I can agree with that.

It is the story of the Elephant description ...one seeing it from the trunk , one from the tail, one from the side...
Which proves my point in saying...not everyone can see the whole picture clearly...God has not give each of us the fullness of the vision..we all have a facet which we share....but together we have the full picture. Just like a body...every joint supplying....