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Dave L
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I already gave my response. Looking forward to yours.while "apeck" and dave are peparing their responses, I'm going to, sa they say, "throw down the gauntlet", or "draw a line in the sand, that no can cross".
dave, said in Post #421, "The doctrine of the Trinity in scripture can be summed up as; There is one God. The Father is God. The Son is God. And the Holy Spirit is God. The Father is not the Son. The Son is not the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is not the Father. If you violate any of this, you do not understand scripture on the matter". and he gives the baptism of our Lord Jesus as his example. will I'm going to violate this matter by the Scriptures.
I always propose two, the "share" of one Spirit. and at the Baptism of Jesus we will prove it.
Matthew 3:16 "And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Matthew 3:17 "And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased".
here we have our Lord standing in water, the Son. we have the Spirit of God descending like a dove, the Holy Spirit.
then we have "A Voice" from heaven. QUESTION, "where in the scriptures that says that this voice is God's voice here at the baptism?". let me remind people of this,
John 5:37 "And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape".
now this was spoken of the Lord Jesus after his baprism, and can the Lord Jesus lie? of course not.
I have proved that angels have spoke for God "FROM HEAVEN" using his chosen words fo the angel to speak, hence the title "angels".... messengers.
so I have answered, and showed that only the Son and Holy Spirit "ONLY" is present at the baptism.
now, no one have answered the John 1:3 and Isaiah 44:24 question, nor the Revelation 1:4 & 5 question.
if one has, please give Post number. I could be mistaken and did not see the answer.
PICJAG.
for clarity, re-read the post, or ask any question on the matter, or this post.