Who is the Whore of babylon

[Anthony D'Arienzo]

Anyone else?

Apostate Jerusalem

 

[gadar perets]

Apostate Jerusalem

How does that harmonize with this?

Rev 18:21 Then a strong angel took up a stone like a great millstone and threw it into the sea, saying, "So will Babylon, the great city, be thrown down with violence, and will not be found any longer.​

 

[Trekson]

Hi gadar, The trinity is perfectly united in thought and deed as one. There isn't a hierarchy as much as they each have different roles to accomplish what they desire perfectly.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Breadoflife said, "Jesus unites to Himself TWO natures: FULLY God and FULLY Man - and the two are indivisible."

Imo, before death just a man, after resurrection then the above.

Your first mistake is in RED above . . .

 

[gadar perets]

Hi gadar, The trinity is perfectly united in thought and deed as one. There isn't a hierarchy as much as they each have different roles to accomplish what they desire perfectly.

1 Corinthians 15:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3 are just two of many verses that show there is a definite hierarchy with Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH, as the ultimate King of the universe and Yeshua as the second in command just as with the type of Pharaoh and Josef.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

1 Corinthians 15:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3 are just two of many verses that show there is a definite hierarchy with Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH, as the ultimate King of the universe and Yeshua as the second in command just as with the type of Pharaoh and Josef.

soft-soaper for Wednesday crucifixionist propaganda

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

I've been told multiple times that the whore of babylon from revelation is the Roman Catholic Church and the vatican yet I have read revelation 17 and 18 multiple times and a better match seems to be pagan rome which took place in the time revelation was written, why do people keep claiming that the whore of babylon is the catholic church when alot of the evidence suggests pagan rome

Maybe because there is a conspicuous time-line hidden and revealed in Revelation 14 where the first angel is depicted as the "many" raised when Christ rose from the dead and "appeared and witnessed to many"; the second angel is the Apostolic age Church; and "another ... third" angel or carrier of the Everlasting Good News of Jesus Christ "followed" with its identity-tag of the bad news that the Babylon that fell was the Roman Catholic church. The carrier, messenger, or, angel of that message cannot ever be mistaken for anything other than the Protestant Reformation of the 15th to 17th centuries.
In any case, that is how I see it.

 

[gadar perets]

soft-soaper for Wednesday crucifixionist propaganda

I have no idea what "soft-soaper"means, nor am I a Wednesday crucifixionist. I posted about the hierarchy between the Father and the Son. If you disagree, then refute it without changing the subject.

 

[Trekson]

1 Corinthians 15:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3 are just two of many verses that show there is a definite hierarchy with Yeshua's Father, Almighty YHWH, as the ultimate King of the universe and Yeshua as the second in command just as with the type of Pharaoh and Josef.

I can agree to this - Gen. 41:40 - " Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou."

 

[Trekson]

Your first mistake is in RED above . . .

Is God a liar? Matt. 4 compared with James 1:13 - "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" It wouldn't be a big deal for a perfect "God-man" not to sin. But it is for a 100% man who was born w/o our basic sin nature. It was equal to the time of Adam before the fall, that is why he is referred to as the second Adam.

 

[gadar perets]

I can agree to this - Gen. 41:40 - " Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled: only in the throne will I be greater than thou."

That is what I was referring to. Why can't you agree with the two verses I cited? Is there any other way to view them?

 

[Trekson]

That is what I was referring to. Why can't you agree with the two verses I cited? Is there any other way to view them?

Because Christ's position is greater than simply second in command, in other words, He is way more than a vice president.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

Is God a liar? Matt. 4 compared with James 1:13 - "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" It wouldn't be a big deal for a perfect "God-man" not to sin. But it is for a 100% man who was born w/o our basic sin nature. It was equal to the time of Adam before the fall, that is why he is referred to as the second Adam.

I agree with BOL, Your first mistake is in RED above . . . IMO. So is your last.

 

[GerhardEbersoehn]

It wouldn't be a big deal for a perfect "God-man" not to sin.

This is where you have lost track.

 

[Trekson]

This is where you have lost track.

So you're implying that God is subject to sin and temptation with the possibility of failure?! For it to mean all that it does, Christ had to at least had the possibility of failure as did Adam.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Is God a liar? Matt. 4 compared with James 1:13 - "Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:" It wouldn't be a big deal for a perfect "God-man" not to sin. But it is for a 100% man who was born w/o our basic sin nature. It was equal to the time of Adam before the fall, that is why he is referred to as the second Adam.

Christ unites to Himself TWO natures.

He is FULLY man and FULLY God. And, whereas these 2 natures are indivisible– they are distinct.

When Jesus was born – He was born as FULLY man and FULLY God. He is the incarnation of God – He didn’t “become” God at some later point. Jesus, in His FLESH could be tempted just like ANYother man – but He did not sin.

Unless you understand the ROLES of the Trinity– you cannot understand or know God.

 

[Trekson]

Christ unites to Himself TWO natures.

He is FULLY man and FULLY God. And, whereas these 2 natures are indivisible– they are distinct.

When Jesus was born – He was born as FULLY man and FULLY God. He is the incarnation of God – He didn’t “become” God at some later point. Jesus, in His FLESH could be tempted just like ANYother man – but He did not sin.

Unless you understand the ROLES of the Trinity– you cannot understand or know God.

I respectfully disagree. Jesus was God, He left his godhood behind him to become flesh, lacking only the basic sin nature. After his resurrection He reclaimed His Godhood that he had set aside for our sakes! That's what makes Christ so awesome that he was willing to do this for us. Do you have scripture to support your claim?

 

[BreadOfLife]

I respectfully disagree. Jesus was God, He left his godhood behind him to become flesh, lacking only the basic sin nature. After his resurrection He reclaimed His Godhood that he had set aside for our sakes! That's what makes Christ so awesome that he was willing to do this for us. Do you have scripture to support your claim?

Do YOU??
The Bible doesn't teach what you're proposing.

It teaches that he IS God and that He always WAS God - in Heaven and on earth:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was GOD.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 7:14
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'GOD is with us').

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.


YOU don't have a Scriptural leg to stand on . . .

 

[gadar perets]

Because Christ's position is greater than simply second in command, in other words, He is way more than a vice president.

There is only one "President" in your analogy, Almighty YHWH, the ONLY TRUE GOD (John 17:3), Yeshua's Father. He has NO equal. He gave Yeshua his life, power and authority to rule His Kingdom and at the appointed time the Son will turn the Kingdom over to his Father and be subject to Him.

 

[gadar perets]

Do YOU??
The Bible doesn't teach what you're proposing.

It teaches that he IS God and that He always WAS God - in Heaven and on earth:

John 1:1
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was GOD.

John 1:14
And the Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us, and we saw his glory, the glory as of the Father’s only Son,
full of grace and truth.

Isaiah 7:14
All right then, the Lord himself will give you the sign. Look! The virgin will conceive a child! She will give birth to a son and will call him Immanuel (which means 'GOD is with us').

Isaiah 9:6
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty GOD, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: GOD was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

All misused and misunderstood verses.