I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

[Reggie Belafonte]

Our dentist gave our children tablets and it stained their teeth. It really made me sick. But I get them remineralizing toothpaste from China so I hope that works.

We have pretty decent doctors - we have the entire spectrum of good to bad, but the good doctors only take the good insurance. Our insurance is outrageous. We just had to buy a plan that is $12k a year. I just don't know how much worse this can get. I was talking with a woman from Canada who told me they have terrible doctors there. I was shocked because I thought they were lucky to have socialized health care. I talked to a nurse from there who told me she moved to the U.S. because they take so much out of their paychecks to pay for that healthcare.

That's the problem with socialist hospitals you get what you are given, we had Free Hospitals in QLD that was really great system but the Socialist demanded we give it up, for crap that bankrupts the Nation and becomes 2ed rate.

We have many people who are not Australians coming and bleeding it dry, we have had one Arab that cost us more than $ 1 Million a year to keep in a infectious ward, that I know of and he is not a citizen of Australia.
I was going in to see a mate who was dying for months and I looked about and seen about maybe half were not Australians at all who were being looked after in there.

I was just talking to a bloke today and he was saying how good it was to get free Hospitals with the Socialist, he said it was a great thing, I informed him that QLD was free before that crap and he shut his mouth.
Not to mention all the retired Surgeons that I have talked to, that have come to political meetings that sat down talking till the cows came home and just bagged the Government huge wast and incompetence that they had seen over the years to do with it all. I tell ya boy it's better not to know the facts, because you will feel better being ignorant of it all. they were pointing out the Hospitals that were the real bad ones and the Doctors who were shockers.

 

[Taken]

I know you have pinned your hopes on Trump

Actually, I have been pretty clear. I pin my Hope In Christ the Lord Jesus.

I like Trump; a Wealthy, Hard Working, Non-Politico, sitting in the People's Office.

I find him refreshing; in opposition to CAREER Politicians who think they are ENTITLED, gain their Wealth off the People through corrupt manipulation and locked door deals and Dishonor the People's Office.

and I really do hope that he is who you think he is.

Who I think he is; is a man who Believes IN God, IN Christ Jesus, IS hard working, Loves America, Takes care of his own, and would like to see a day in which today's Americans would learn what INDEPENDENCE and LIBERTY MEANS and then remember that and then HAVE what that means...

Scripture says it best;

1 Tim 5
[8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

2 Thes 3
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.

I just did research on him and what I found alarmed me. I don't have the time to go through all the resources I read but I'll find a few:

The Triple Six is an illuminati/ demonic hand signal 666.

I have seen Trump showing body and hand gesturing in a manner that represents him
Being quite and YEILDING to the other who is speaking.

Feet flat on the floor, Leaning toward speaker......they have his attention.

Hands in an inverted triangle, YEILDING, to the speaker.

Trump does it constantly.

Can't say FOR Trump, but I learned a long time ago, YEILD is represented by an inverted triangle.

I also learned a long time ago...

Curling the the thumb and index finger that their tips touch, and extending the middle, ring and pinkie, is a gesture that means OK.
Or it could be a sign language alphabet letter "F".

And personally, I have used those same hand gestures to signal OK, and in sign language.
So, it does not alarm me.

I read that the illuminati like to signal to each other in public.

Here, you have decided these hand signals are exclusive to "the illuminati"....but again failed to disclose, "WHO" or "WHAT" precisely you think the "illuminati" IS.

Won't you Elaborate, and DEFINE what you think the "illuminati" IS.....and THEN aside of silly hand gestures....give some Evidence of how you think that APPLIES to TRUMP?

Here is a pastor writing about Trump:

Who is this so called pastor raging his opinions and hate?
What is his background, his location, his church?

And your link to THEE supposed illuminati hand gestures....who is the author and background of that site?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

Actually, I have been pretty clear. I pin my Hope In Christ the Lord Jesus.

I like Trump; a Wealthy, Hard Working, Non-Politico, sitting in the People's Office.

I find him refreshing; in opposition to CAREER Politions who think they are ENTITLED, gain their Wealth off the People through corrupt manipulation and locked door deals and Dishonor the People's Office.



Who I think he is; is a man who Believes IN God, IN Christ Jesus, IS hard working, Loves America, Takes care of his own, and would like to see a day in which today's Americans would learn what INDEPENDENCE and LIBERTY MEANS and then remember that and then HAVE what that means...

Scripture says it best;

1 Tim 5
[8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

2 Thes 3
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.



I have seen Trump showing body and hand gesturing in a manner that represents him
Being quite and YEILDING to the other who is speaking.

Feet flat on the floor, Leaning toward speaker......they have his attention.

Hands in an inverted triangle, YEILDING, to the speaker.



Can't say FOR Trump, but I learned a long time ago, YEILD is represented by an inverted triangle.

I also learned a long time ago...

Curling the the thumb and index finger that their tips touch, and extending the middle, ring and pinkie, is a gesture that means OK.
Or it could be a sign language alphabet letter "F".

And personally, I have used those same hand gestures to signal OK, and in sign language.
So, it does not alarm me.



Here, you have decided these hand signals are exclusive to "the illuminati"....but again failed to disclose, "WHO" or "WHAT" precisely you think the "illuminati" IS.

Won't you Elaborate, and DEFINE what you think the "illuminati" IS.....and THEN aside of silly hand gestures....give some Evidence of how you think that APPLIES to TRUMP?



Who is this so called pastor raging his opinions and hate?
What is his background, his location, his church?

And your link to THEE supposed illuminati hand gestures....who is the author and background of that site?

Glory to God,
Taken

You like him for the same reasons I did. I just don't think anything is legitimate anymore. I think America has been gone - we just haven't realized it yet. I read a quote from Nazi Germany (can't recall exact one) that "you have to make the people think they're free.

The illuminati are a group of bankers that want full control of the world, from my understanding.

Here are more people throwing the triple 6:

Top Ten Illuminati Signs | Illuminati Rex

I was looking it up and came across this article about Pope Francis meddling in our election. I just don't trust what is put out for human consumption anymore:

The Pope Funded Hillary: Why has There Been No Inquiry into Vatican Interference in the 2016 Election?

I think we're dealing with extremely deceptive people out to delude the masses. I think that we need to exercise discernment more than ever before. I don't trust anything that is being sold to the American people. We've been lied to. The Cutting Edge has some good articles. They said that most churches don't practice discernment.

Mitt Romney Is Hiding A Secret He Does Not Want You To Know

 

[Soverign Grace]

That's the problem with socialist hospitals you get what you are given, we had Free Hospitals in QLD that was really great system but the Socialist demanded we give it up, for crap that bankrupts the Nation and becomes 2ed rate.

We have many people who are not Australians coming and bleeding it dry, we have had one Arab that cost us more than $ 1 Million a year to keep in a infectious ward, that I know of and he is not a citizen of Australia.
I was going in to see a mate who was dying for months and I looked about and seen about maybe half were not Australians at all who were being looked after in there.

I was just talking to a bloke today and he was saying how good it was to get free Hospitals with the Socialist, he said it was a great thing, I informed him that QLD was free before that crap and he shut his mouth.
Not to mention all the retired Surgeons that I have talked to, that have come to political meetings that sat down talking till the cows came home and just bagged the Government huge wast and incompetence that they had seen over the years to do with it all. I tell ya boy it's better not to know the facts, because you will feel better being ignorant of it all. they were pointing out the Hospitals that were the real bad ones and the Doctors who were shockers.

We have the same thing. My cousin went broke paying for medical care and told me she was in there with all these foreigners getting everything paid for. When I was taken to the ER in bad shape I couldn't be seen because the hospital was packed with foreigners using it as a doctors office for free medical care. It was alarming that they didn't take the bad cases first. That was when I knew our country was in trouble. And that hospital tormented me for the following year trying to get me to pay the bill even though I wasn't seen.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Actually, I have been pretty clear. I pin my Hope In Christ the Lord Jesus.

I like Trump; a Wealthy, Hard Working, Non-Politico, sitting in the People's Office.

I find him refreshing; in opposition to CAREER Politions who think they are ENTITLED, gain their Wealth off the People through corrupt manipulation and locked door deals and Dishonor the People's Office.



Who I think he is; is a man who Believes IN God, IN Christ Jesus, IS hard working, Loves America, Takes care of his own, and would like to see a day in which today's Americans would learn what INDEPENDENCE and LIBERTY MEANS and then remember that and then HAVE what that means...

Scripture says it best;

1 Tim 5
[8] But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

2 Thes 3
[10] For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat.
[11] For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies.



I have seen Trump showing body and hand gesturing in a manner that represents him
Being quite and YEILDING to the other who is speaking.

Feet flat on the floor, Leaning toward speaker......they have his attention.

Hands in an inverted triangle, YEILDING, to the speaker.



Can't say FOR Trump, but I learned a long time ago, YEILD is represented by an inverted triangle.

I also learned a long time ago...

Curling the the thumb and index finger that their tips touch, and extending the middle, ring and pinkie, is a gesture that means OK.
Or it could be a sign language alphabet letter "F".

And personally, I have used those same hand gestures to signal OK, and in sign language.
So, it does not alarm me.



Here, you have decided these hand signals are exclusive to "the illuminati"....but again failed to disclose, "WHO" or "WHAT" precisely you think the "illuminati" IS.

Won't you Elaborate, and DEFINE what you think the "illuminati" IS.....and THEN aside of silly hand gestures....give some Evidence of how you think that APPLIES to TRUMP?



Who is this so called pastor raging his opinions and hate?
What is his background, his location, his church?

And your link to THEE supposed illuminati hand gestures....who is the author and background of that site?

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken - I encourage you to read this morning's article on Breitbart. Read through the Comments section - you'll see the raw anger spill out as Americans realize that Trump is not who they thought. I believe we've been lied to.

DHS Releases Over 2K Border-Crossing Families into U.S.

 

[Taken]

You like him for the same reasons I did. I just don't think anything is legitimate anymore. I think America has been gone - we just haven't realized it yet. I read a quote from Nazi Germany (can't recall exact one) that "you have to make the people think they're free.

Sure. Well known.

Some recognize Liberty/Freedom as having the authority to take care of ones own.

Other believe Liberty/Freedom is having the government hand out Freebies.

The illuminati are a group of bankers that want full control of the world, from my understanding.

And what BANK does Trump own or run?

Here are more people throwing the triple 6:

Top Ten Illuminati Signs | Illuminati Rex

Actually I am rather bored with your extreme paranoia and conspiracy links posted by some unnamed person.

I was looking it up and came across this article about Pope Francis meddling in our election. I just don't trust what is put out for human consumption anymore:

There is a big difference between MEDDLING and FINANCIALLY or VERBALY SUPPORTING an individual.

I think we're dealing with extremely deceptive people out to delude the masses. I think that we need to exercise discernment more than ever before. I don't trust anything that is being sold to the American people. We've been lied to. The Cutting Edge has some good articles. They said that most churches don't practice discernment.

If you think you have been LIED TO, and then found out the TRUTH, by some internet posting of an unnamed stranger, then you should feel at ease. But you appear rather frustrated and fixated on hokey supposed secret signs of a secret society, that apparently is not so secret, and common gestures used by common people to express something that has nothing to do with A Secrect society of Bankers.

What you have failed to do is show ANY connection to the people you accuse...of owning, running, controlling, ANY Bank.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

Taken - I encourage you to read this morning's article on Breitbart. Read through the Comments section - you'll see the raw anger spill out as Americans realize that Trump is not who they thought. I believe we've been lied to.

DHS Releases Over 2K Border-Crossing Families into U.S.

Well, First someone has to declare Trump is not what they thought. Then I have to consider what they thought he Was, and then listen to their complaint of who they NOW think he Was, and their NOW opinion.

No thanks. I don't believe Trump has changed, but clearly some others have, and you are interested in WHY, and aligned yourself with their opinions. That's you, not me.

On campaign day, Trump outlines issues, and apparently you had the same issues.

On campaign day, Trump has ideas to resolve those issues, and apparently you found agreement in some of his ideas.

AFTER taking his OATH, Trump now has TWO Obsticals for a SWIFT Resolve...

1) The Limit of the Constitution, (ie RED TAPE) going through all the legal channels to make changes.

2) An Opposing Political Party, and their pawns, doing multiple things to HINDER Trumps projects Progress.

It is nothing new, but seemingly news to you, since you are frustrated 20, 30, 50+ years of CORRUPT infiltration into the Government, should be resolved in 2,3 years, by Trump who daily mingles with Back stabbers.

It's the conundrum, yet well noted way things opperate in the District of Corruption (ie DC).

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

We have the same thing. My cousin went broke paying for medical care and told me she was in there with all these foreigners getting everything paid for. When I was taken to the ER in bad shape I couldn't be seen because the hospital was packed with foreigners using it as a doctors office for free medical care. It was alarming that they didn't take the bad cases first. That was when I knew our country was in trouble. And that hospital tormented me for the following year trying to get me to pay the bill even though I wasn't seen.

To take one person over another regardless of urgency would become what's known in Political Correct Marxist Socialist terms as prejudice. all people are the same you know, the same nothings not to mention the red tape such could cause to such a system made for drongos.

We had years in QLD not that long ago that they could not even get the pay for Hospital staff correct, so that shows just how pathetic the System could be. but that what's you get with PC Socialist Morons, fact is if they were to run there own business on the same foundations such would go broke in no time, but lucky such have the tax payer to foot the bill for there incompetence with no come back to bite them in the rear end. try doing that crap when you have your own business and see what a moron one would be seen for.
And how is this the Government can claim a task that they take on is going to be, say $3 million and it ends up being $9 million, all is good no one cares at all, it's just other peoples money being wasted ? but try that type of stuff if you run your own business, no it just does not happen ! you would be out on your tail faster than you knew it.

And this is a great problem that governments are not accountable and that's a recipe for disaster.
problem is that the people are being taken for fools and the problem is that the fools don't know it.
I have dole bludgers and socialist coming to me saying, that we are a 'rich country don't you know' well I thought that we were busted arse broke because everywhere I looked the lack of money people had was a big problem to get jobs done in my trade, not to mention all the ones going bankrupt who can bite you, so sorry I just have never seen it that way at all.
It must be a fantasy land working for a wage in big company's and government I am sure, because there are just so many of them that can't see past there own nose. sadly when you start talking money they can't count past their fingers and toes much at all, they here a $million dollars and the mind just goes blank, the media will come out and state how much profit that a Bank made in the year and you get simple minded morons up in arms about such, but the thing is they should say the Percentage profit because that reflects the reality of the business, as to the amount that they deal with in a year, such could be peanuts and if they make a loss well that's not good for anyone at all.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Well, First someone has to declare Trump is not what they thought. Then I have to consider what they thought he Was, and then listen to their complaint of who they NOW think he Was, and their NOW opinion.

No thanks. I don't believe Trump has changed, but clearly some others have, and you are interested in WHY, and aligned yourself with their opinions. That's you, not me.

On campaign day, Trump outlines issues, and apparently you had the same issues.

On campaign day, Trump has ideas to resolve those issues, and apparently you found agreement in some of his ideas.

AFTER taking his OATH, Trump now has TWO Obsticals for a SWIFT Resolve...

1) The Limit of the Constitution, (ie RED TAPE) going through all the legal channels to make changes.

2) An Opposing Political Party, and their pawns, doing multiple things to HINDER Trumps projects Progress.

It is nothing new, but seemingly news to you, since you are frustrated 20, 30, 50+ years of CORRUPT infiltration into the Government, should be resolved in 2,3 years, by Trump who daily mingles with Back stabbers.

It's the conundrum, yet well noted way things opperate in the District of Corruption (ie DC).

Glory to God,
Taken

Everyone is angry because Trump didn't fulfill his campaign promises to build the wall. He could have done it when Republicans had both houses - he signed the obscene Omnibus handing millions to other countries and millions to Schumer for some rail line while the country's borders remain dangerously open. We have a nuclear facility close by - we're between two of them. I have such an eerie feeling when we pass it. I'm afraid that's where the next attack is going to occur. It's inevitable. But you know that in the event of a nuclear attack Trump, Ivanka, and his brood are going to be whisked into a fallout bunker. You and yours and me and mine are going to die a horrific death. I'm a realist. This is what you and I are facing:

The medical effects of the atomic bomb on Hiroshima upon humans can be put into the four categories below, with the effects of larger thermonuclear weapons producing blast and thermal effects so large that there would be a negligible number of survivors close enough to the center of the blast who would experience prompt/acute radiation effects, which were observed after the 16 kiloton yield Hiroshima bomb, due to its relatively low yield:[1][2]

• Initial stage—the first 1–9 weeks, in which are the greatest number of deaths, with 90% due to thermal injury and/or blast effects and 10% due to super-lethal radiation exposure.
• Intermediate stage—from 10–12 weeks. The deaths in this period are from ionizing radiation in the median lethal range - LD50
• Late period—lasting from 13–20 weeks. This period has some improvement in survivors' condition.
• Delayed period—from 20+ weeks. Characterized by numerous complications, mostly related to healing of thermal and mechanical injuries, and if the individual was exposed to a few hundred to a thousand Millisieverts of radiation, it is coupled with infertility, sub-fertility and blood disorders. Furthermore, ionizing radiation above a dose of around 50-100 Millisievert exposure has been shown to statistically begin increasing a person's chance of dying of cancer sometime in their lifetime over the normal unexposed rate of c. 25%, in the long term, a heightened rate of cancer, proportional to the dose received, would begin to be observed after c. 5+ years, with lesser problems such as eye cataracts and other more minor effects in other organs and tissue also being observed over the long term.

This is what a nuclear explosion will look like: Powerful Pictures Show What Nuclear ‘Fire and Fury’ Really Looks Like

Maybe you don't watch the same documentaries as I. I'm a documentary buff. I watched one about the security of our nation. I was alarmed to see the former head of security claim that our country is unsafe now. He said we're more in danger of a terror attack than we were during the cold war. Where are the bombing drills like they had years ago? Nonexistent! The media is owned and controlled by those trying to collapse America. So no one is sounding the alarm. No one is truly reporting on the danger we're in. We're all preoccupied by design with "bread and circuses."

Where is the public outcry and demand for a wall? Have you personally contacted your representatives? I have, many times. They don't even answer anymore. Trump should have mad it a PRIORITY TO BUILD THE WALL WHEN HE HAD BOTH HOUSES. He didn't. He gave lame excuses. I read the part of the law that showed he could have built it. He could have shown himself to be a decisive leader but he waffled. That's why I lost faith in him.

By their FRUITS ye shall know them NOT by their TALK.

Here is more: Body Language Experts Say Trump Often Flashes “Triangle of Satan” Hand Gesture

PROOF TRUMP IS A BRITISH ROTHSCHILDS CRIME SYNDICATE TOOL!

Is Donald Trump a Christian? - On Point Preparedness


I know Washington is a cauldron of corruption. It's worse than Sodom and Gomorrah. I prayed for Tump to win and petitioned God repeatedly. I too, had high hopes. But then I started researching him and I saw his connection to the Catholic church, the illuminati, Clintons, and all the elite. You really think he's for the average Joe? He's had the best the world could offer. He's hob-knobbed with the elite, he's surrounded himself with elite, Goldman-Sachs is in the WH. Steven Miller is one of the better ones. But Trump booted out Bannon, who is a nationalist, and then Gorka. Bannon is the true nationalist. I liked Gorka at one time but just heard him on the radio blathering about making sure we vote for Trump in 2020 and he'll build the wall then. I don't believe it anymore. I was disappointed every time Trump turned and did the opposite of what he promised to do. He's an actor. He had a TV reality show. I think he's pulling our legs. I hate to say it but I think it's all smoke and mirrors.

I really hope I'm wrong.

 

[Taken]

Everyone is angry because Trump didn't fulfill his campaign promises to build the wall.

Be more precise about "EVERYONE'S" Anger...
TOWARD Trump.

Angry the wall IS NOT Started?
Angry the wall IS NOT Completed?
Angry the wall IS NOT BEING built?
Angry the Progress IS NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED quick enough?

Omnibus bill, you call "obscene"...

How so? Based on what?
The Dollar Amount?
Or
Because you have READ the 2,000 + page bill?

And what DID Trump think of the bill?

And WHY did he not veto it?

And WHY did he sign it?

Is Donald Trump a Christian? - On Point Preparedness

Are you UNSURE how to tell if Trump IS a Christian, without an others Opinion?

But then I started researching him and I saw his connection to the Catholic church, the illuminati, Clintons, and all the elite.

Can you briefly ELABORATE.
What is this "questionable CONNECTION" to
The Catholic Church you claim?
To the World Bankers you claim?

To "all the elite"...Really?
Personally, I enjoy spending time with people that share my own common interests, don't you?

QUOTE] You really think he's for the average Joe? [/QUOTE]

What do you mean "FOR" the average Joe?

Elaborate?
Doesn't want the average Joe to succeed and BE a contributing member of society?
Does want the average Joe to fail and BE a burden on society?
Does want to be the financier of an unsuccessful average Joe?

Body language experts?
Seems you are more focused on "body language experts", who focus exclusively on your "illuminate" interest.

You might try a Body language expert, that covers the whole gambit, that even some poor slob of no importance or status ALSO uses. You might be surprised at the similarities.

For Trump supposedly being what you claim others accuse and you seemingly onboard with....

Who are these "illumanti bakers" Trump is "hob-nobbing" with?

And how do you define "hob-nobbing?
Because Trump has never drank alcohol.

Nuclear? In brief, regarding Trump, What is your complaint?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

Be more precise about "EVERYONE'S" Anger...
TOWARD Trump.

Angry the wall IS NOT Started?
Angry the wall IS NOT Completed?
Angry the wall IS NOT BEING built?
Angry the Progress IS NOT BEING CONSTRUCTED quick enough?



How so? Based on what?
The Dollar Amount?
Or
Because you have READ the 2,000 + page bill?

And what DID Trump think of the bill?

And WHY did he not veto it?

And WHY did he sign it?



Are you UNSURE how to tell if Trump IS a Christian, without an others Opinion?




Can you briefly ELABORATE.
What is this "questionable CONNECTION" to
The Catholic Church you claim?
To the World Bankers you claim?

To "all the elite"...Really?
Personally, I enjoy spending time with people that share my own common interests, don't you?

QUOTE] You really think he's for the average Joe?

What do you mean "FOR" the average Joe?

Elaborate?
Doesn't want the average Joe to succeed and BE a contributing member of society?
Does want the average Joe to fail and BE a burden on society?
Does want to be the financier of an unsuccessful average Joe?

Body language experts?
Seems you are more focused on "body language experts", who focus exclusively on your "illuminate" interest.

You might try a Body language expert, that covers the whole gambit, that even some poor slob of no importance or status ALSO uses. You might be surprised at the similarities.

For Trump supposedly being what you claim others accuse and you seemingly onboard with....

Who are these "illumanti bakers" Trump is "hob-nobbing" with?

And how do you define "hob-nobbing?
Because Trump has never drank alcohol.

Nuclear? In brief, regarding Trump, What is your complaint?

Glory to God,
Taken[/QUOTE]

I'm a little weary because I posted on the Mitt Romney thread. I was hoping that you would see it and why I'm suspicious about President Trump. I'll state outright that I'm not 100% convinced - more like 97%. I read that the illuminati enjoy doing signs right in the public's face. For instance I just watched a video where Obama called his wife "Michael." It looks as though she might be a he. Might.

I read comments on news articles from people angry that Trump has not built the border wall. One organization of people whose family members were killed by illegal aliens expressed anger that he told them it would change if they elected him. You have to read articles yourself and scroll down to the comment sections.

Trump acted like he was pressured to sign the Omnibus. I think it was an Act. He was an Actor on a reality TV show. People who Act, convince an audience of something. Many Actors and Actresses try to manipulate the public with their platform and charm.

No one can truly tell if another is a believer because there are various stages of growth. "By their FRUITS ye shall know them." I see a man who chased money. Who wasn't faithful to his wives. Who allegedly bullied people to build his casinos. Who allegedly cheated people with Trump university. When asked if he asked God for forgiveness he said "No."

He looked as if he was going to swing conservative but he appears to lie to the public. Where do lies come from? Who is the author of lies?

I know that his hand signals could be a coincidence... or maybe not. For right now I'm reserving judgment and walking circumspectly. It seems to me that there are too many coincidences for there to be a coincidence. That being said, I also know how tricky the evil one is. He could make someone look bad with a counterfeit or vice versa. I'm just not going to follow him blindly like I once did. I'm going to exercise my discernment to the best of my ability so as not to be fooled.

God gave each of us discernment and mine is somewhat on edge over him. I don't think he's fully who he's putting himself out to be. I think all of it might be an act: the Mueller thing, possibly the antagonism between him and Pelosi and others. I don't know yet. When you see two lawyers in court, they'll go up and argue against the other and when there's a break they're hob-knobbing together and laughing. Some of it I think is decided between them. It's like price-fixing. Two competitors will get together and say: "We're knocking ourselves out to give Joe the best price. Let's decide on a price between us." So they decide they'll both charge Joe a fixed price. Joe is none the wiser. But a backroom deal was cut. I've seen a few of backroom deals in my lifetime. On a scale as large as an entire country you know there are plenty of backroom deals.

I can't do your research for you. I suggest you start at the basics and look up "Illuminati." You'll learn who the bankers are. I read so much material that I could never retrace my steps.

I am concerned about a nuclear attack. They have caught middle-easterners sneaking in through the southern border. I watched a documentary on how terrorists snuck into France with refugees. They aren't stupid. They know our border is wide open. What would be the logical thing to strike once they got in here? To me it's a no-brainer. I'm concerned that's where an attack is going to be. For the President of the Untied States to buckle to pressure when an entire Nation is at stake and not secure the safety of our country, is a crime.

 

[Soverign Grace]

President Trump has full constitutional power to stop the border invasion – even without Congress
Daniel Horowitz · October 17, 2018
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NICHOLAS KAMM/AFP | Getty Images
Just as President Reagan is remembered for ending the Cold War, President Trump can be remembered as the one who ended the war on our sovereignty. Will he rise to the occasion?

Here’s the stone-cold truth about our border: We could construct a border wall as high as the stratosphere, and it won’t help much if we continue our self-destructing policies of allowing bogus asylees to come through our front door and legitimizing the opinions of sanctuary judges who “make denizens of aliens.”

President Trump publicly warned the governments of Honduras, El Salvador, and Guatemala that if they don’t take steps to stop the latest caravan of bogus asylum invaders, he will cut off aid to the countries. While this is a good first step, it won’t deter the invasion unless we stop admitting the invaders and implementing catch-and-release under orders from illegitimate court rulings, as we did with the previous caravan and countless tens of thousands of others coming in with less pomp. And that would hold true even with a border wall. They just come to our points of entry, surrender themselves, get released into our communities, and never show up to their hearings until and unless they wind up committing crimes.

Moreover, the caravan is already in Guatemala and headed for Mexico. Thus, the Honduran diplomacy is moot at this point. And this is much bigger than one caravan. We must first dissect what is actually happening at our border.

This is nothing short of an invasion

Earlier this week, KTAR news in Phoenix, Arizona, sat down with ICE’s Phoenix field director, Henry Lucero. What he revealed should disturb all of us:

• Only two percent of family units released from custody are ever deported. And there are a lot of families. In fiscal year 2017, roughly 13,000 came through the Yuma Sector. This year’s final numbers will likely show double that number. Freeze-frame right there. This is the magnet. Until this policy stops, the border invasion will not cease.
• 85 percent of the recent families are from Guatemala, and they ask for asylum while surrendering themselves to border agents. They are not even attempting to smuggle themselves in between the points of entry. Thus, a wall will not help if we continue to allow this because they just come to the points of entry. As Lucero said, “On the news in Guatemala they are saying that you can get a work permit if you’re in a family, if you’re coming with your child, and that you’re going to be released.”
• Border agents interviewed by KTAR said that resources designed to protect our national security are now being used to aid and treat illegal aliens in distress. This, in a nutshell, is why the gang and drug crisis spiked to unprecedented levels beginning with the Central American migration in 2014. Officials said that 95 percent of those caught in Arizona go to the East Coast, which explains why places like Long Island are the hardest hit from the gang and drug crises.

Thus, it all boils down to bogus asylum and catch-and-release. Either Trump ends those, or everything else is just talk. While Trump is right to ask Congress to step in, we’ve noted before that our statute is already clear that these people do not qualify as asylees and that the unaccompanied teenagers do not qualify as refugees.

With this background in mind, it’s easy to understand why Lindsey Grahmanesty’s idea of trading amnesty for a border wall is so counterintuitive. We only have this border invasion because of the magnet of amnesty, and the magnet of amnesty allows them to come to the entry points, demand asylum, sue for rights, and never get deported. A wall only helps a country that has a strong spirit but a weak frontier; it doesn’t help a weak political system that willingly commits national suicide.

Anyone who tells you that the president doesn’t have the authority to exclude anyone for any reason doesn’t deserve to live in a sovereign nation. Sovereignty trumps everything. There is nothing in our statutes that forces the president to admit anyone he feels is a problem. In fact, as we’ve noted before, he has inherent executive powers from Article II, as well as delegated authority from Congress under existing law, to stop taking in immigrants at the border or through visas for as much time as he deems necessary.

Here’s a quick review.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Inherent executive authority

While Congress controls immigration once immigrants are legally admitted to our country and can also exclude anyone from admission, the president shares concurrent jurisdiction on exclusions. He can’t deport anyone he wants to without an authorizing statue, but he can exclude anyone up front. As the Supreme Court said in a landmark 1950 case, “The exclusion of aliens is a fundamental act of sovereignty. The right to do so stems not alone from legislative power but is inherent in the executive power to control the foreign affairs of the nation.” This is why for the first 100 years of our country, immigration was entirely controlled by diplomatic correspondence through the State Department. The president was clearly using this authority when communicating with the leader of the country of origin of this caravan.

Trump can simply shut the door and demand that any legitimate asylum claims be processed through our 10 or so consulates in Mexico.

Finally, the president needs to threaten not just Honduras, Guatemala, and El Salvador, but Mexico with diplomatic sanctions. As Jessica Vaughan, director of policy studies at the Center for Immigration Studies, told me in email, “The president should be leaning on Mexico and the sending nations that their facilitation of this problem is immoral, shameful, and will adversely affect our bilateral relationship.”

“He should consider visa sanctions if they are not cooperative in arranging the swift return of those apprehended. He should suspend certain foreign aid until we gain their cooperation. There almost certainly are other forms of leverage that will get their attention.”

One such point of leverage would be NAFTA negotiations. The top issue should not be trade, but immigration. Mexico badly wants a renewal, and having it agree to process asylum claims in our consulates rather than sending them to our border would go a long way.

Along with threatening to cut off aid, he should fund a massive Spanish-language media campaign in these countries to make it clear they can never obtain legal status unless they apply through a consulate.

Delegated authority from Congress

INA 212(f) allows the president, whenever he finds that “the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States,” to “suspend” all forms of immigration “for such period as he shall deem necessary.” INA 215(a)(1) grants the president an almost equal level of authority to subject entry of all aliens entering or departing to “such reasonable rules, regulations, and orders, and subject to such limitations and exceptions as the President may prescribe.” If demanding that all immigrants enter legally or apply for asylum in a safe and controlled environment at a consulate rather than at a border controlled by some of the most dangerous people in the world is not a “reasonable rule,” I’m not sure what is.

In addition, given that this is not an ordinary case of immigration or a trickle of asylum seekers, but rather a mass influx, the attorney general can use 8 U.S.C. § 1103(a)(10) to deputize local law enforcement bodies at the border that wish to participate to engage in the police powers of federal immigration officers. This section of the law states that when there’s an “imminent mass influx of aliens arriving off the coast of the United States, or near a land border,” the attorney general may “authorize any State or local law enforcement officer” to perform such duties. This will help with the manpower and the national security component of the issue.

The bottom line is that we need to repel the invasion, not manage it. Why are border agents automatically handing over these people to ICE to be processed? Jessica Vaughan told me she is concerned this is depleting ICE’s resources to address interior enforcement when Customs and Border Protection should be leading at the border. “It’s time for CBP to step up and assume some more responsibility for addressing this crisis,” wrote Vaughan in an email. “So far, they have been just handing over the problem to ICE, USCIS, and the immigration courts, as if it’s not CBP’s problem. That has depleted and diverted the resources for those other critical agencies, which have other responsibilities in the interior. The president should direct CBP – the border protection agency — to assume responsibility for managing the swift processing of these cases, in cooperation with the other agencies of course.”

This is why Trump was elected. Period

This is Trump’s legacy at stake. This is his time in history. He can be the one to stop the border invasion. The minute he forces a national debate over whether we are a sovereign nation, he gains more leverage. The minute he threatens to veto the next budget bill unless it makes changes to sanctuary cities and asylum policies, the tables will be turned. And the minute he actually uses his inherent executive and delegated authority to shut this down temporarily without Congress, he has much more leverage to push long-term reforms as well as deterring Central Americans. - David Horowitz

Conservative Review




Find out what the mainstream media won’t tell you about President Trump and his administration.

 

[Helen]

I was hoping that you would see it and why I'm suspicious about President Trump. I'll state outright that I'm not 100% convinced - more like 97%. I read that the illuminati enjoy doing signs right in the public's face. For instance I just watched a video where Obama called his wife "Michael." It looks as though she might be a he. Might.

I just quoted a snippet here.

Please tell me WHY you are so worried and obsessed about the Illuminati. It has been here for decades and decades...hundreds of years...
Stranger just started a new thread called A revival, but not Christian

Now IF you could hold a discussion rationally it would be good.
But "to me" it seems that you are obsessed with darkness..the things you check out and look up on the internet are always dark.
This my friend is just the opposite to what God tells us to do.
I think you will end up making yourself sick if you continue with your negative obsessions...really.

The thing is..it is all going to happen... by reading the bible anyone can see that 'they' will dominate, they will imprison Christians , they will make Christianity illegal...just check out Christianity in China now..and Russia...they have gone back 70 years...and yes it will come here too this time...because we are at the end of the age. God has his perfect timing... His Day will come...
Darkness will be destroyed, God does WIN!!

But, the world has to make it choice, before God calls "Time Out".

We are "In Him" . We are on the Victory side!
But sadly I never read any victory in your threads or posts.
You see darkness, but you do not seem to see Light!

Bottom line..Who cares what Trump is...we just know that right now
"He Is".
He needs our PRAYERS, not our "worry and anxiety" that doesn't help him one bit.
Just spend you time in something worthwhile...like praying down the glory and wisdom of God upon him. Pray to the Lord to send him legions of angels ...

Bless you...Helen

 

[Soverign Grace]

I want to believe in Trump as much as you do but our country is under invasion. My husband rushed me to the ER post-surgery in acute pain. The ER was packed with illegal aliens getting free health care. The hospital staff was so callous that they didn't take me in ahead of them. If I had seen someone that bad off come in I would have let them go ahead of me. No one did.

The hospital staff callously told me that it would be a 5 hour wait. I stood there ready to faint, begging my husband to ask them to let me lay down. No one helped. He had me lay down in the car and waited inside. A guard came up and banged on the window and demanded I move the car. When my husband came out I told him to take me home. I went home and was in agony. I can't even express the pain I was in. When you have something like that happen then your views will change 360 I guarantee it.

Trump nor any of his family members would ever have that happen. Yet he refused to close the border letting things like that happen to people like me. Our area is flooded with drugs and I know a number of youth that died that we knew from school and Little League. We watched our next door neighbor's son taken out of the house in a body bag. How in the Name of God, many deaths will it take before he picks up a pen and scrawls his name? It shows me he's not the man I thought he was and you'd think it to if you were kept from the ER because illegals were packed in there getting free medical care.

Trump knows where the illegal drugs are coming from - he's said as much, yet he doesn't build the wall as promised. Yet what does he do? He orders production of medical opioids for AMERICANS to be cut! If you studied the opioid epidemic like my associates and I then you would know that it's a big fat LIE that the opioid epidemic is caused by doctors and patients. Hospitals are now reporting shortages! Americans who are elderly as well as veterans with pain syndromes have committed suicide, unable to cope with the pain after the CDC instituted "recommendations" but then doctors who didn't follow those "recommendations" were targeted by the DEA.

All Trump has to do is scrawl his name and that all stops.

Why?

Because he and his family will never go without. They'll never roll around in agony like some obscure Jane in any city USA.

I once read that donations to charities went up whenever people experienced pain of any sort. I surmise that's because you know how it feels and you can then empathize with your fellow humans who are experiencing that pain. But for those who don't have to feel its sting or its bite remain callous. I don't think that President Trump goes without anything. He's a billionaire.

Have you ever heard the statement "All the World's a Stage"? I think that may be what's going on. I think we're being lied to on a MASSIVE SCALE. I think the powers that be are pulling the strings.

That's all the time I have today. I don't know what's right but this is the way I'm leaning. I'm keeping an open mind. I still support President Trump but I'm keeping a healthy skepticism.

 

[marksman]

We voted for him and supported him, now I think he's illuminati.

Body Language Experts Say Trump Often Flashes “Triangle of Satan” Hand Gesture

I do not live in America but have visited and am convinced that Americans are some of the most wonderful and gracious people on earth.

I do however keep up with the news on America because we are allied with them in a big way. As I see it, Trump is anything people want to make him which does not surprise me as you have lived under a previous president who was anti-God for all of his eight years, so it is a case of "please Donald, come and rescue us from the evil that has engulfed our nation."

The problem with that is that we want Donald to be perfect and be our second Jesus and when he is not then he is something terrible.

Just in case you had not noticed, God used a man that had committed murder. He used a man that has 700 wives (however did he have time to rule the country?) Donald is not perfect and never will be, but he is standing up for the belieber, sorry I meant believer and going into bat for believers in countries where they are persecuted. That in itself makes it worth supporting him.

Because he is not God, he will not solve America's problems totally. Only God can do that and for that to happen he will need to have the co-operation of the church. As I see it, the church is not doing much to help him as they seem to be getting into bed with Satan in so many cases.

In my State in my country, we have a socials/Marxist government which is hell-bent on stamping out Christianity and making homosexuality and all its derivations normal and accepted in society and the only acceptable religion so count your blessings as we don't know how long they will last.

 

[Helen]

I do not live in America but have visited and am convinced that Americans are some of the most wonderful and gracious people on earth.

I do however keep up with the news on America because we are allied with them in a big way. As I see it, Trump is anything people want to make him which does not surprise me as you have lived under a previous president who was anti-God for all of his eight years, so it is a case of "please Donald, come and rescue us from the evil that has engulfed our nation."

The problem with that is that we want Donald to be perfect and be our second Jesus and when he is not then he is something terrible.

Just in case you had not noticed, God used a man that had committed murder. He used a man that has 700 wives (however did he have time to rule the country?) Donald is not perfect and never will be, but he is standing up for the belieber, sorry I meant believer and going into bat for believers in countries where they are persecuted. That in itself makes it worth supporting him.

Because he is not God, he will not solve America's problems totally. Only God can do that and for that to happen he will need to have the co-operation of the church. As I see it, the church is not doing much to help him as they seem to be getting into bed with Satan in so many cases.

In my State in my country, we have a socials/Marxist government which is hell-bent on stamping out Christianity and making homosexuality and all its derivations normal and accepted in society and the only acceptable religion so count your blessings as we don't know how long they will last.

Thank You... .What an excellent post..
It's nice to read something positive for a change.

Bless you abundantly!!

 

[Soverign Grace]

I do not live in America but have visited and am convinced that Americans are some of the most wonderful and gracious people on earth.

I do however keep up with the news on America because we are allied with them in a big way. As I see it, Trump is anything people want to make him which does not surprise me as you have lived under a previous president who was anti-God for all of his eight years, so it is a case of "please Donald, come and rescue us from the evil that has engulfed our nation."

The problem with that is that we want Donald to be perfect and be our second Jesus and when he is not then he is something terrible.

Just in case you had not noticed, God used a man that had committed murder. He used a man that has 700 wives (however did he have time to rule the country?) Donald is not perfect and never will be, but he is standing up for the belieber, sorry I meant believer and going into bat for believers in countries where they are persecuted. That in itself makes it worth supporting him.

Because he is not God, he will not solve America's problems totally. Only God can do that and for that to happen he will need to have the co-operation of the church. As I see it, the church is not doing much to help him as they seem to be getting into bed with Satan in so many cases.

In my State in my country, we have a socials/Marxist government which is hell-bent on stamping out Christianity and making homosexuality and all its derivations normal and accepted in society and the only acceptable religion so count your blessings as we don't know how long they will last.

We did live under an anti-God president for 8 years - it was misery for Christians, and you hit the mark: we were all hoping for a savior of sorts - if not Christ. I prayed with intensity for God to let him win. Now however, I'm jaded; I don't think we really do have a choice. We found evidence of voting fraud in our state so I imagine it's widespread.

I know that God used David. I'm still keeping an open mind, but I've been disappointed by him reneging on his promises and it made me wary. Some churches are supporting President Trump, as are many Americans/ Christians. I did too, just right now I'm walking circumspectly because I've started to doubt him. Of course I'll support him over another godless candidate. You pointed out David, but remember that Scripture warns us that Satan appears as an Angel of Light - we have to keep that warning too. Sometimes Satan can do good works until he hooks someone and they go in for the kill.

I think we should take the warning to walk circumspectly - yet I'm learning new things all the time and keeping my mind open to the knowledge that I can be deceived and so can someone else. Time will tell.

There are socialists trying to take over America and seem to be making progress. Homosexuality is being taught in some American schools the last I heard - even having men in drag reading rainbow stories to preschoolers. But remember, that is a sin, but so is it a sin to gossip, backbite, show preference to some in the church over others - and I've seen Christians do all that. Until Christians clean up their act the church is going to be weak IMO. I've talked to a few who won't even go to church anymore because of the Pharisaical churches. First clean the inside of the cup.

I think you're right about the church getting in bed with Satan - I was just reading about that. I think the problem is that so many are deceived. I see a lack of discernment. Christianity has been watered down and churches seem more interested in building their rolls than following God. I could write a book about all the things I saw go on.

Have you done anything personally to help turn the tide of what's going on in your country? God has opened my eyes to things but I'm unsure yet what He wants me to do with it. I'm a believer in being proactive. I've had a few things change as a result - not much because I've never held office or anything. I have felt the need to return to evangelizing. I've been getting tracts and leaving them around when I go out in doctors offices etc. And I write to prisoners and I sent one Christian tracts.

Our church doesn't do any evangelizing. In fact none of the churches I've been in did any that I know of. Does yours?

 

[Soverign Grace]

I just quoted a snippet here.

Please tell me WHY you are so worried and obsessed about the Illuminati. It has been here for decades and decades...hundreds of years...
Stranger just started a new thread called A revival, but not Christian

Now IF you could hold a discussion rationally it would be good.
But "to me" it seems that you are obsessed with darkness..the things you check out and look up on the internet are always dark.
This my friend is just the opposite to what God tells us to do.
I think you will end up making yourself sick if you continue with your negative obsessions...really.

The thing is..it is all going to happen... by reading the bible anyone can see that 'they' will dominate, they will imprison Christians , they will make Christianity illegal...just check out Christianity in China now..and Russia...they have gone back 70 years...and yes it will come here too this time...because we are at the end of the age. God has his perfect timing... His Day will come...
Darkness will be destroyed, God does WIN!!

But, the world has to make it choice, before God calls "Time Out".

We are "In Him" . We are on the Victory side!
But sadly I never read any victory in your threads or posts.
You see darkness, but you do not seem to see Light!

Bottom line..Who cares what Trump is...we just know that right now
"He Is".
He needs our PRAYERS, not our "worry and anxiety" that doesn't help him one bit.
Just spend you time in something worthwhile...like praying down the glory and wisdom of God upon him. Pray to the Lord to send him legions of angels ...

Bless you...Helen

Helen - I appreciate your concern and I will take it into account mother hen. This is all new to me and I see that there are other believers who don't know about it and I'm trying to inform them. Did you ever think that you could be the one that needs to become more involved in doing God's work? How can we know other than following the way that we feel God is leading us? I'd like to sit here all day and spend it on my hobbies or watching TV but I'm doing what I think God wants me to do on here. I raise real issues that are really facing us as believers. I sometimes take on tough topics. I happen to think differently than you. One of my friends is like that: she and her husband attend church and don't do anything more. She thinks God is going to do it all and they don't have to anything other than go to church. But what she isn't taking into account, nor you, is that other Christians are being God's hands and feet in this world. They're addressing the tough things and working on them - and everyone else is benefitting. Like the drugs flooding across the border that just killed my neighbor's son. I'm trying to raise awareness so this next generation has a chance. If not you then who?

Years ago everyone on my street was putting up with not having the street paved. Everybody grumbled and complained but no one DID anything. I came home and couldn't drive down the street because it had rained and I had to park my car and trudge a mile up the road in the mud. So did everyone else. One woman couldn't get out to buy her baby's formula and other things. So should I have just focussed on the positive and tell myself: oh God will get the road paved! Don't worry your head about it. Sit back! Relax!

I called the mayor and insisted something be done. He tried putting me off but we arranged a meeting. I sent the word out and everybody on the street went to the meeting. I didn't have to say a word. All the neighbors exploded on him and the road was paved in short order.

I learned that I can get things done. It felt good getting results and a lot of people benefitted.

What does it matter if Trump is illuminati or not? We're warned in Scripture that satan appears as an angel of light. We're warned to be not ignorant of his devices. We're told to walk circumspectly. Maybe if enough Americans woke up to what is happening under our noses than we would somehow help God to usher in what's coming or help do His work on earth. We're all trying to learn what He wants us to do. You can't step into another's shoes and claim to know what is right for them. I don't know what's right for you, but from reading of the same ills in Canada you may do well to look to see what God would have you do.

Now I'll ask you: What work is God having you do? Do you have a ministry? Do you evangelize? Visit those sick and in prison? Or do you consider those things to be dark even though God told us to do them? How are you personally helping to further God's kingdom or help to thwart the approaching evil? A friend told me that if Christians had been alert years ago then 1 woman couldn't have had prayer taken out of schools. Just suppose that one person did try to alert other believers to what Madelyn O'Hare was doing and the long range consequences that would take place. But maybe someone like Helen came along and said "stop it already! You should be focussing on the bright, shiny things not the dark things! Come on! Get with it! Lighten up!" (Everybody's an expert on what another person should be doing right?) And that person never did what their gut told them to do: try to rouse their fellow believers into opposing that woman and the years of fallout from public schools becoming godless.

It's hard to know which way God is leading. God can speak through another believer, but remember Satan also spoke through a believer (Peter). It's a tough call to know what is right but we should be careful trying to impose our views on another - it may happen that person is following what God wants them to do.

 

[Soverign Grace]

To take one person over another regardless of urgency would become what's known in Political Correct Marxist Socialist terms as prejudice. all people are the same you know, the same nothings not to mention the red tape such could cause to such a system made for drongos.

We had years in QLD not that long ago that they could not even get the pay for Hospital staff correct, so that shows just how pathetic the System could be. but that what's you get with PC Socialist Morons, fact is if they were to run there own business on the same foundations such would go broke in no time, but lucky such have the tax payer to foot the bill for there incompetence with no come back to bite them in the rear end. try doing that crap when you have your own business and see what a moron one would be seen for.
And how is this the Government can claim a task that they take on is going to be, say $3 million and it ends up being $9 million, all is good no one cares at all, it's just other peoples money being wasted ? but try that type of stuff if you run your own business, no it just does not happen ! you would be out on your tail faster than you knew it.

And this is a great problem that governments are not accountable and that's a recipe for disaster.
problem is that the people are being taken for fools and the problem is that the fools don't know it.
I have dole bludgers and socialist coming to me saying, that we are a 'rich country don't you know' well I thought that we were busted arse broke because everywhere I looked the lack of money people had was a big problem to get jobs done in my trade, not to mention all the ones going bankrupt who can bite you, so sorry I just have never seen it that way at all.
It must be a fantasy land working for a wage in big company's and government I am sure, because there are just so many of them that can't see past there own nose. sadly when you start talking money they can't count past their fingers and toes much at all, they here a $million dollars and the mind just goes blank, the media will come out and state how much profit that a Bank made in the year and you get simple minded morons up in arms about such, but the thing is they should say the Percentage profit because that reflects the reality of the business, as to the amount that they deal with in a year, such could be peanuts and if they make a loss well that's not good for anyone at all.

I would understand if the hospital took a person very bad off ahead of me if I was in there for something minor. It's not a workable system. The hospital then tormented me with bills and I wasn't seen. I guess they have to try to get someone to pay.

You stated the truth of why many of us oppose Socialism - as long as the taxpayers foot the bill there is no accountability. We have a bloated government right now. Some are good workers but others don't do their jobs, yet they have a guaranteed paycheck. My husband ran big government jobs and he would tell me the exorbitant amount of money being wasted. People had to work really hard for that money the government took. Every job I've ever had I had to labor for money.

I'm surprised at how much Australia is like America - I never knew anything about it. Is your health care socialized like Canada?