Scathing website about Mitt Romney and Mormonism

[Nancy]

It might be something to inquire about. From what I've read they have a stronghold in MI. There have been some serious trouble in my state. They've tried building mosques in neighborhoods. When residents fought it the DOJ sent each of them letters demanding to know their FB accounts, and emails. You know that something is going on in the upper echelon of our government for that. I had a Middle-Easterner approach me in a store and say something he shouldn't and kissed my arm. It scared me that he either thought he could do it or all American women were loose. In the UK a judge let one off when he had raped a woman because he said he was only acting in accordance with what is allowed in his country.

I don't know about you all but that scares me. No ones daughter, wife, sister, or mother will be safe if that type of thinking takes hold here.

Such fear Sovereign!
"The New American Standard Bible includes the phrases "do not fear" 57 times and "do not be afraid" 46 times"
"Be anxious for nothing" John 14:27
"In nothing be anxious; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." Philippians 4:6...just a couple verses. We are not to be concerned with the cares of this world...we are not of the world because our citizenship is in heaven! ♥ If more Christians gave half of their passion to the Lord in faith and thanksgiving as they do politics...I believe we would be closer and closer to His return.
JMHO...it's all about faith and rest in Him ♥

 

[Nancy]

They have to get two thirds of the House and Senate and two thirds of the states to approve an amendment. Any amendment.

Yes, that is true.

 

[Soverign Grace]

A reminder here, to run for president you have to be born an American citizen.

As for preaching the gospel to Muslim, forget. Many will walk away, tell you to go lay or even assault you physically. Same with atheists and some other religions.

That's true - have you ever tried to talk to a militant atheist?

 

[Soverign Grace]

Such fear Sovereign!
"The New American Standard Bible includes the phrases "do not fear" 57 times and "do not be afraid" 46 times"
"Be anxious for nothing" John 14:27
"In nothing be anxious; but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God." Philippians 4:6...just a couple verses. We are not to be concerned with the cares of this world...we are not of the world because our citizenship is in heaven! ♥ If more Christians gave half of their passion to the Lord in faith and thanksgiving as they do politics...I believe we would be closer and closer to His return.
JMHO...it's all about faith and rest in Him ♥

Have you ever had a middle easterner grab you in a store, start kissing you, and say something he shouldn't? I didn't like that happening to me, and I sure don't want it happening to the female members of my family. A little bit of healthy fear is a positive thing Nancy.

Have you ever read the book "The Gift of Fear"? It's a normal response that God placed in us as an early warning system.

 

[Nancy]

Have you ever had a middle easterner grab you in a store, start kissing you, and say something he shouldn't? I didn't like that happening to me, and I sure don't want it happening to the female members of my family. A little bit of healthy fear is a positive thing Nancy.

Have you ever read the book "The Gift of Fear"? It's a normal response that God placed in us as an early warning system.

No, I have not read that book. I am sorry that happened to you but I can assure you it is not just middle Easterners that do those things. And, I choose to trust Him and live in His peace...no. matter. what.
It is only God that I fear and that is a reverential fear at that. Again, JMHO ♥

 

[Soverign Grace]

They have to get two thirds of the House and Senate and two thirds of the states to approve an amendment. Any amendment.

They can hardly agree on anything. Now with Dems taking the House it will be even worse. Sparks are going to fly.

 

[amadeus]

That's an uplifting thought. I'm concerned about this next generation because their flesh has to be in this homeland. I'm not sure if God wants us to do anything about it.

Some of the ones we love may be or become involved in some terrible things, but when has it been otherwise with mankind? As to what we can or should do about it, we can at least talk to God about it. Will it fix the problem? If we speak to Him correctly it will accomplish all that can be accomplished according to God's plan.

"Confess your faults one to another, and pray one for another, that ye may be healed. The effectual fervent prayer of a righteous man availeth much." James 5:16

What does prayer accomplish? We cannot save a person by our fervent prayers for the final decision will always remain with that person. However, as a result of our prayers God can see to it that the person has the necessary information to make an informed decision. Once informed then the result is according to his own choice to continue his own way or to switch over to God's. We will have done what we could. Some people enjoy the way of death in which they exist and even when they get a glimpse of Life, they still will not change. God does not twist arms to obtain followers and neither should we.

Sometimes in talking to God He may impress on us the need to speak to the person ourselves. This may also be a good thing, but the final decision for the person is still his. That is the individual. How many individuals would be required to enable or cause the nation, America, to change its direction? We must also be listening to Him so as to walk where He wants us walk even if we don't like some of what we see before us...

 

[Soverign Grace]

No, I have not read that book. I am sorry that happened to you but I can assure you it is not just middle Easterners that do those things. And, I choose to trust Him and live in His peace...no. matter. what.
It is only God that I fear and that is a reverential fear at that. Again, JMHO ♥

Yes I am very aware that it isn't just middle easterners that do those things; I've lived a long time. The issue that I brought up was that in England a judge let a Muslim go who had raped an English woman because he said that the Muslim was acting in accord with what was allowed in his home country.

That's not normal. Rape is evil. Rape should never be acceptable. To import people who think it is, raises some concerns.

Fear is a healthy response to a perceived threat. It can turn into something more - then is when I believe that Scripture is referring to. I'm not polyannish enough to think that God is going to do everything for us. I think God expects us to exercise good judgment. I've read some pretty crazy ideas that some Christians have who don't think that they need to take action.

If a dog is baring its teeth and growling, a healthy person would exhibit the normal emotion of fear. That fear would cause them to seek shelter, pick up the closest object to defend himself with, or take other reparative action. When it would turn into a problem is if they got away from the dog, but then refused to go outside due to fear. Then it becomes maladaptive. I think that's the type of fear that Scripture is addressing.

 

[tabletalk]

Why would you say something like that to deliberately try to bait? Did I say that was a test of your salvation? You're spinning a lie and an accusation that didn't come from my heart, it came from yours.

Another Christian told me a long time ago that Christians like to cut other Christians up. How true those words turned out to be. You could have said "I don't see it." Yet you have to try to bait. You may want to ask what spirit is driving that.

I was told that my gift is discernment; maybe I see things you don't. Maybe my "spirit is trained by reason of use." I see evil emanating from his eyes. The eyes are the window of the soul and I recoiled when I saw the photo. It was a visceral reaction.

Your statement: "Every Christian should be able to discern the evil emanating from the Pope's eyes."

Yes, I did try to bait you.I shouldn't have added the part about salvation, so please forgive me for that.
But, your quote is a sweeping statement of what a Christian should be able to discern, and not every Christian can discern what you can discern. I actually don't want to try to discern 'evil emanation from' someone's eyes. I don't have a clue about that.
And Christian maturity does involve discerning good from evil; evil is sin, so no, I don't see the sin in the Pope's eyes.
I'm sorry I commented on your post.

 

[Enoch111]

"Amendment I. Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." -- US Constitution

When this was written up Islamist subversion of America was not in view. Since the Koran clearly promotes Jihad and Muslim domination against all infidels, there must then be a further amendment to clarify that Islam does NOT qualify as a religion but an ideology to wage war against America and the West. The Islamists fully understand that they can subvert the Constitution while quoting the Constitution.

But here is what is written in the Koran, and Muslims claim that the West has been committing aggression again them, and all Westerners must be driven out of Muslim lands:

Sura 2:193. And fight them until there is no oppression, and worship becomes devoted to Allah alone. But if they cease, then let there be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Sura 2: 194. The sacred month for the sacred month; and sacrilege calls for retaliation. Whoever commits aggression against you, retaliate against him in the same measure as he has committed against you. And be conscious of Allah, and know that Allah is with the righteous.
Sura 2: 216. Fighting is ordained for you, even though you dislike it. But it may be that you dislike something while it is good for you, and it may be that you like something while it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.
Sura 2:244. Fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Sura 3:19. Religion with Allah is Islam. Those to whom the Scripture was given differed only after knowledge came to them, out of envy among themselves. Whoever rejects the signs of Allah—Allah is quick to take account.
Sura 3:28. Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless it is to protect your own selves against them. Allah warns you to beware of Him. To Allah is the destiny.
Sura 4:84. So fight in the cause of Allah; you are responsible only for yourself. And rouse the believers. Perhaps Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is Stronger in Might, and More Punishing.

 

[CoreIssue]

When this was written up Islamist subversion of America was not in view. Since the Koran clearly promotes Jihad and Muslim domination against all infidels, there must then be a further amendment to clarify that Islam does NOT qualify as a religion but an ideology to wage war against America and the West. The Islamists fully understand that they can subvert the Constitution while quoting the Constitution.

But here is what is written in the Koran, and Muslims claim that the West has been committing aggression again them, and all Westerners must be driven out of Muslim lands:

Sura 2:193. And fight them until there is no oppression, and worship becomes devoted to Allah alone. But if they cease, then let there be no hostility except against the oppressors.
Sura 2: 194. The sacred month for the sacred month; and sacrilege calls for retaliation. Whoever commits aggression against you, retaliate against him in the same measure as he has committed against you. And be conscious of Allah, and know that Allah is with the righteous.
Sura 2: 216. Fighting is ordained for you, even though you dislike it. But it may be that you dislike something while it is good for you, and it may be that you like something while it is bad for you. Allah knows, and you do not know.
Sura 2:244. Fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah is Hearing and Knowing.
Sura 3:19. Religion with Allah is Islam. Those to whom the Scripture was given differed only after knowledge came to them, out of envy among themselves. Whoever rejects the signs of Allah—Allah is quick to take account.
Sura 3:28. Believers are not to take disbelievers for friends instead of believers. Whoever does that has nothing to do with Allah, unless it is to protect your own selves against them. Allah warns you to beware of Him. To Allah is the destiny.
Sura 4:84. So fight in the cause of Allah; you are responsible only for yourself. And rouse the believers. Perhaps Allah will restrain the might of those who disbelieve. Allah is Stronger in Might, and More Punishing.

That argument won't fly because Islam is a religion.

As well such an amendment would be required to define what an acceptable religion is.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That's true - have you ever tried to talk to a militant atheist?

Yes. As well as militant agnostics, militant Catholics, militant Protestants, etc.

Have you ever had a middle easterner grab you in a store, start kissing you, and say something he shouldn't? I didn't like that happening to me, and I sure don't want it happening to the female members of my family. A little bit of healthy fear is a positive thing Nancy.

That's not normal. Rape is evil. Rape should never be acceptable.

Actually both men who sexually assaulted me (including raping me as a child) were white Protestant Americans. Likewise I've seen some white Christian Americans (including ministers) advocate for hate crimes professing it in the name of God.
Evil is evil. Let us not pretend that evil is about ethnicity, nationality, or faith professed with one's lips.
And even though there is such evil in the world and the devil's fires burns so adamantly, let us not fear, but rather have hope and faith in God.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

When this was written up Islamist subversion of America was not in view. Since the Koran clearly promotes Jihad and Muslim domination against all infidels, there must then be a further amendment to clarify that Islam does NOT qualify as a religion but an ideology to wage war against America and the West. The Islamists fully understand that they can subvert the Constitution while quoting the Constitution.

So should Christians adopt the tactic you're describing here?
Retaliate against (Muslims) infidels in the same measure he committed against you?
Fight in the name of God?
Refusing to make friends with infidel (Muslims)?
Subvert the constitution to ban infidel (Muslims) out of (Christian) lands?

 

[Jane_Doe22]

That's a good point. We should try to evangelize. I just don't know if we should do more.

Living and sharing the Gospel to everyone is EVERYTHING. There is no 'more' to do.

 

[CoreIssue]

Yes. As well as militant agnostics, militant Catholics, militant Protestants, etc.


Actually both men who sexually assaulted me (including raping me as a child) were white Protestant Americans. Likewise I've seen some white Christian Americans (including ministers) advocate for hate crimes professing it in the name of God.
Evil is evil. Let us not pretend that evil is about ethnicity, nationality, or faith professed with one's lips.
And even though there is such evil in the world and the devil's fires burns so adamantly, let us not fear, but rather have hope and faith in God.

In Islam it is not a crime or a sin to rape an infidel.

Many so-called ministers ect are guilty of sex crimes. Including Mormon ministers.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

In Islam it is not a crime or a sin to rape an infidel.

Many so-called ministers ect are guilty of sex crimes. Including Mormon ministers.

As I said: Evil is evil. Let us not pretend that evil is about ethnicity, nationality, or faith professed with one's lips.
And even though there is such evil in the world and the devil's fires burns so adamantly, let us not fear, but rather have hope and faith in God.

 

[tooldtocare]

apparently the old men are banishing the young men from the faith so they can get the young girls:

One thing about crapola is it can only flow downstream, never to come back again.
My advice is to flush the above NOW!!

 

[CoreIssue]

As I said: Evil is evil. Let us not pretend that evil is about ethnicity, nationality, or faith professed with one's lips.
And even though there is such evil in the world and the devil's fires burns so adamantly, let us not fear, but rather have hope and faith in God.

But the fact remains Mormonism is a cult.

 

[Jane_Doe22]

One thing about crapola is it can only flow downstream, never to come back again.
My advice is to flush the above NOW!!

Again, the article was not about the "Mormons" such as Romney (more accurate descriptor: members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).

Rather, the article describes the disciples of Warren Jeffs, who are a radical group of fundamentalist people. They also cloister themselves off and don't participate in larger part of society.

 

[CoreIssue]

Again, the article was not about the "Mormons" such as Romney (more accurate descriptor: members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints).

Rather, the article describes the disciples of Warren Jeffs, who are a radical group of fundamentalist people. They also cloister themselves off and don't participate in larger part of society.

A radical segment of Mormonism, not Christianity.

And you have never told me what you think about Joseph Smith, the founder of Mormonism.

As far as names go, Mormons have changed the name several times in its history.