Proof of the Trinity. No takers?

[Dave L]

One more time my friend we come to an impasse.

I think Paul breaks the impasse when he says; “There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:1) (KJV 1900)

“For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.” (Romans 8:3–4) (KJV 1900)

“This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.” (Galatians 5:16) (KJV 1900)

And John says; “Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (KJV 1900)

“For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.” (1 John 5:4) (KJV 1900)

 

[amadeus]

Still, we don't communicate well! Would that it were not so!

 

[Dave L]

Still, we don't communicate well! Would that it were not so!

I used to believe the Sermon on the Mount emptied our bucket to drive us to Christ. Having been taught that position. But when I got a hold of Paul's teaching about censoring thoughts and imaginations, I began viewing the Sermon differently. We can censor sinful thoughts and imaginations before they develop into actual sin, while they are still temptations. Another thing I learned is that hatred is the mother of all sin. And if we reject it, replacing it with love, we can rise well above it. Jesus would rather die than hate, and I can see why.

 

[justbyfaith]

Paul says if we walk in the Spirit we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. This involves not sinning in thought which is possible if we make each thought and imagination conform to scripture. The sinful thoughts exist only as temptation unless we indulge them. John also says:

“Everyone who has been born of God does not sin, because His seed remains in him; he is not able to sin, because he has been born of God. This is how God’s children—and the Devil’s children—are made evident. Whoever does not do what is right is not of God, especially the one who does not love his brother.” (1 John 3:9–10) (HCSB)

See the latter end of the following post:

Can Jesus and Paul be reconciled on the LAW?

 

[justbyfaith]

See Proverbs 12:18.

 

[amadeus]

I used to believe the Sermon on the Mount emptied our bucket to drive us to Christ. Having been taught that position. But when I got a hold of Paul's teaching about censoring thoughts and imaginations, I began viewing the Sermon differently. We can censor sinful thoughts and imaginations before they develop into actual sin, while they are still temptations. Another thing I learned is that hatred is the mother of all sin. And if we reject it, replacing it with love, we can rise well above it. Jesus would rather die than hate, and I can see why.

God may deal with different parts differently feeding them according what is needed to perform the appropriate function, but without communication and subjection who can do it as it should be done?

 

[justbyfaith]

I think that I must have been a foolish person for proclaiming the insights (about the triune nature of the Lord) that God has given me through His Spirit. For those who do not have the Spirit of God will outright reject them (1 Corinthians 2:14) because of the way that they sound to the ear. If one looks up the scripture references that back up the statements, they may have a chance of receiving the truth; but if you just look at it from a natural perspective you are certain to reject it. These things are spiritually discerned; and they are foolishness to the natural man who does not have the Spirit of God.

Even this statement will prove to be the same; because the natural man wants to believe that he has the Spirit of God.

Nevertheless God has chosen to save people through the foolishness of preaching; so perhaps my time has not been spent in vain.

 

[brakelite]

Another thing I learned is that hatred is the mother of all sin. And if we reject it, replacing it with love, we can rise well above it

I think it would be more accurate to say selfishness is the mother of all sin. It is selfishness that is the opposite to love.

 

[101G]

Not in the least. You reject Christendom's trinitarian beliefs and separate your self from us.

first thanks for your reply.

you can't tell me what I am ... LOL. I reject false doctrine. and yes your trinity doctrine is false and fake as they come. you know it, because you cannot refuit the scriptures that exposes your trinity doctrine.

I use to be a trinitarian, blind, foolish, and ignorant too.

but here's a truth in every trinitarian, there is a loss in your stomach, meaning in the back of your mind there are some scriptures that just don't add up, and you push them asisde thinking that the Lord Just don't want you to know something. all trinitarian have seconds thoughts every now and then. and when they encounter someone like me, who makes the doubt even greater, this is what the apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit is saying,
Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive". and the apostle is very clear,
1 Corinthians 14:20 "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

when I see trinitarian struggling with the truth, they are still, "CHILDREN".

see, I can explain the doctrine of true christianity, I don't need the church fathers to tell me what is righ or correct in their own eyes. we have the GREATEST teacher ever, the Holy Ghost.

but I have hope for all of those trinitarian that are in the boat of being tossed back and forth. my suggestion, stop and go to the Lord in FAITH, and ask the Lord for yopur self. for you have not because you ask not. most Christian don't know the power of "asking". asking, in it's simplist form is to "DEMAND" and God don't refuse. but as the apostle James wrote,

James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.


there it is, "ASK", what you got to lose? I took the chance of asking, now my JOY is full. scripture
John 15:11 "These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full". WHY Lord JESUS?

John 16:23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 16:24 "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

PICJAG

 

[101G]

101G said: ↑
NO, as said before an angel have spoke from heaven on God's behalf.

Really, and not be lying?

let's check the record,
exhibit A. when Abraham was about to kill his own son,
Genesis 22:11 "And the angel of the LORD called unto him out of heaven, and said, Abraham, Abraham: and he said, Here am I.
Genesis 22:12 "And he said, Lay not thine hand upon the lad, neither do thou any thing unto him: for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me".

exhibit B. the same angel calls out from heaven to Abraham a second time,
Genesis 22:15 "And the angel of the LORD called unto Abraham out of heaven the second time,
Genesis 22:16 "And said, By myself have I sworn, saith the LORD, for because thou hast done this thing, and hast not withheld thy son, thine only son".

the angel "SAID" what God told him to say. see those two words "said" and "saith".... not the Lord speaking from heaven to abraham but the angel of the Lord speaking on God's behalf. one don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure this out when the scriptures plainly say "the angel said". a person has to be "Dishonest" to say no, it was not the angel speaking from heaven. if you want to be a "Dishonest" person, that's on you. and you know in your heart that it was the angel that spoke to abraham from heaven.

exhibit C. Hagar and Ishmael are cast out,
Genesis 21:17 "And God heard the voice of the lad; and the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said unto her, What aileth thee, Hagar? fear not; for God hath heard the voice of the lad where he is".

MY God how hard is it to understand this?. clearly it was the Angel of the Lord who spoke not God himself. like i said, one has to be "Dishonest" if believe otherwise.

one cannot be "Dishonest" knowing the TRUTH and walk as a christian. "Dishonesty" and Christianity cannot WALK together.

PICJAG

 

[justbyfaith]

Another thing I learned is that hatred is the mother of all sin.

I think it would be more accurate to say selfishness is the mother of all sin. It is selfishness that is the opposite to love.

It is the teaching of Oswald Chambers (author of My Utmost For His Highest) that the root of all sin is independence from the Lord.

 

[Helen]

I think it would be more accurate to say selfishness is the mother of all sin. It is selfishness that is the opposite to love.

Good one...I like it. I like @justbyfaith 's post too...
They fell in the wilderness through unbelief.. wth all these...LOVE is lacking!

 

[Dave L]

It is the teaching of Oswald Chambers (author of My Utmost For His Highest) that the root of all sin is independence from the Lord.

God is love. Hatred is the the direct opposite.

 

[Dave L]

first thanks for your reply.

you can't tell me what I am ... LOL. I reject false doctrine. and yes your trinity doctrine is false and fake as they come. you know it, because you cannot refuit the scriptures that exposes your trinity doctrine.

I use to be a trinitarian, blind, foolish, and ignorant too.

but here's a truth in every trinitarian, there is a loss in your stomach, meaning in the back of your mind there are some scriptures that just don't add up, and you push them asisde thinking that the Lord Just don't want you to know something. all trinitarian have seconds thoughts every now and then. and when they encounter someone like me, who makes the doubt even greater, this is what the apostle Paul by the Holy Spirit is saying,
Ephesians 4:14 "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive". and the apostle is very clear,
1 Corinthians 14:20 "Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men.

when I see trinitarian struggling with the truth, they are still, "CHILDREN".

see, I can explain the doctrine of true christianity, I don't need the church fathers to tell me what is righ or correct in their own eyes. we have the GREATEST teacher ever, the Holy Ghost.

but I have hope for all of those trinitarian that are in the boat of being tossed back and forth. my suggestion, stop and go to the Lord in FAITH, and ask the Lord for yopur self. for you have not because you ask not. most Christian don't know the power of "asking". asking, in it's simplist form is to "DEMAND" and God don't refuse. but as the apostle James wrote,

James 1:5 "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

James 1:6 "But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.

James 1:7 "For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.

James 1:8 "A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.


there it is, "ASK", what you got to lose? I took the chance of asking, now my JOY is full. scripture
John 15:11 "These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full". WHY Lord JESUS?

John 16:23 "And in that day ye shall ask me nothing. Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall ask the Father in my name, he will give it you.

John 16:24 "Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.

PICJAG

Christianity is the only religion that worships God in trinity. You, (oneness) the Jews and Islam have more in common with each other than you do with Christianity.

 

[Dave L]

I think it would be more accurate to say selfishness is the mother of all sin. It is selfishness that is the opposite to love.

Selfishness is self love = hatred for others. To the degree we treat others as our equal, the less hatred we have. The more we love them as we do ourselves.

 

[farouk]

Christianity is the only religion that worships God in trinity.

It's a unique revealed mystery in Scripture...

 

[Dave L]

God may deal with different parts differently feeding them according what is needed to perform the appropriate function, but without communication and subjection who can do it as it should be done?

Paul says love fulfills the Law. The Sermon on the Mount is a revelation of the Two Great Commandments in action. Love for God and others. Jesus demonstrated it on the cross loving God and enemies with all his body, soul and strength, dying for our sins. Asking God to forgive those who were killing him. Paul told us to have the same mind.

 

[101G]

Christianity is the only religion that worships God in trinity. You, (oneness) the Jews and Islam have more in common with each other than you do with Christianity.

GINOLJC, to all.
first, thanks for the reply, second maybe the Christianity you believe in worship in trinity, not the Christianity I know, it's a LIFESTYLE, and not a "RELIGON".

third, again I say, I'm not a Oneness as you think.... but a "Diversified" Oneness which I see you have not clue of.

from observing your post, you have no bases to stand on for your trinity doctrine. your baptism of the Lord Jesus is shot out of the water, and holds no water...

your Genesis 1:26 is dead as to three persons. as said your saving hope of John chapter 17 is shot out of the water too (see posts 427, 440 on Page 22, and Post #449 Page 23)

you have no more boats to ride in.

PICJAG

 

[Dave L]

GINOLJC, to all.
first, thanks for the reply, second maybe the Christianity you believe in worship in trinity, not the Christianity I know, it's a LIFESTYLE, and not a "RELIGON".

third, again I say, I'm not a Oneness as you think.... but a "Diversified" Oneness which I see you have not clue of.

from observing your post, you have no bases to stand on for your trinity doctrine. your baptism of the Lord Jesus is shot out of the water, and holds no water...

your Genesis 1:26 is dead as to three persons. as said your saving hope of John chapter 17 is shot out of the water too (see posts 427, 440 on Page 22, and Post #449 Page 23)

you have no more boats to ride in.

PICJAG

The problem is, that "oneness" is more like Islam and Judaism than like Christianity. Christianity is the only religion (lifestyle) that worships God in trinity.

 

[101G]

The problem is, that "oneness" is more like Islam and Judaism than like Christianity. Christianity is the only religion (lifestyle) that worships God in trinity.

ERROR,
Dave the only thing that you can offer is vain jangling of words, no scripture to back up what you're saying. as said, your baby, (the no three person at the Lord's baptism), that you been counting on is proven false, you can't produce one scripture that verifies the voice from heaven is God's actual voice, if it was ..... you would have been produce it way before now.... but you can't because no scripture says such a thing. so maybe I need to ask, "are you really following the true Christ?", or just what men, (the church fathers), told you?.

PICJAG.