I'm concerned that Trump is illuminati

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I'm a little weary because I posted on the Mitt Romney thread. I was hoping that you would see it and why I'm suspicious about President Trump. I'll state outright that I'm not 100% convinced - more like 97%. I read that the illuminati enjoy doing signs right in the public's face. For instance I just watched a video where Obama called his wife "Michael." It looks as though she might be a he. Might.

I read comments on news articles from people angry that Trump has not built the border wall. One organization of people whose family members were killed by illegal aliens expressed anger that he told them it would change if they elected him. You have to read articles yourself and scroll down to the comment sections.

Trump acted like he was pressured to sign the Omnibus. I think it was an Act. He was an Actor on a reality TV show. People who Act, convince an audience of something. Many Actors and Actresses try to manipulate the public with their platform and charm.

No one can truly tell if another is a believer because there are various stages of growth. "By their FRUITS ye shall know them." I see a man who chased money. Who wasn't faithful to his wives. Who allegedly bullied people to build his casinos. Who allegedly cheated people with Trump university. When asked if he asked God for forgiveness he said "No."

He looked as if he was going to swing conservative but he appears to lie to the public. Where do lies come from? Who is the author of lies?

I know that his hand signals could be a coincidence... or maybe not. For right now I'm reserving judgment and walking circumspectly. It seems to me that there are too many coincidences for there to be a coincidence. That being said, I also know how tricky the evil one is. He could make someone look bad with a counterfeit or vice versa. I'm just not going to follow him blindly like I once did. I'm going to exercise my discernment to the best of my ability so as not to be fooled.

God gave each of us discernment and mine is somewhat on edge over him. I don't think he's fully who he's putting himself out to be. I think all of it might be an act: the Mueller thing, possibly the antagonism between him and Pelosi and others. I don't know yet. When you see two lawyers in court, they'll go up and argue against the other and when there's a break they're hob-knobbing together and laughing. Some of it I think is decided between them. It's like price-fixing. Two competitors will get together and say: "We're knocking ourselves out to give Joe the best price. Let's decide on a price between us." So they decide they'll both charge Joe a fixed price. Joe is none the wiser. But a backroom deal was cut. I've seen a few of backroom deals in my lifetime. On a scale as large as an entire country you know there are plenty of backroom deals.

I can't do your research for you. I suggest you start at the basics and look up "Illuminati." You'll learn who the bankers are. I read so much material that I could never retrace my steps.

I am concerned about a nuclear attack. They have caught middle-easterners sneaking in through the southern border. I watched a documentary on how terrorists snuck into France with refugees. They aren't stupid. They know our border is wide open. What would be the logical thing to strike once they got in here? To me it's a no-brainer. I'm concerned that's where an attack is going to be. For the President of the Untied States to buckle to pressure when an entire Nation is at stake and not secure the safety of our country, is a crime.

Having concerns is one thing.
Pointing, naming names, based on others OPINIONS, is gossip.
Accusing without facts edges on Slander.
To what avial does that Glorify God?

Glory to God.
Taken

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I would understand if the hospital took a person very bad off ahead of me if I was in there for something minor. It's not a workable system. The hospital then tormented me with bills and I wasn't seen. I guess they have to try to get someone to pay.

You stated the truth of why many of us oppose Socialism - as long as the taxpayers foot the bill there is no accountability. We have a bloated government right now. Some are good workers but others don't do their jobs, yet they have a guaranteed paycheck. My husband ran big government jobs and he would tell me the exorbitant amount of money being wasted. People had to work really hard for that money the government took. Every job I've ever had I had to labor for money.

I'm surprised at how much Australia is like America - I never knew anything about it. Is your health care socialized like Canada?

I do not really know about the Canada system.
But we must be some what the same as Canada, it's better than the USA system as you are not forking out huge amounts from what I understand USA is like.
Some of us have Private health like I do, so I can opt to get something done, than to wait maybe 2 years or so. I think it was about 1 year for a op on my knee going on the governments way, so I forked out for it to be done with Private health.

As I said we did have free Hospital in the State of QLD before the Socialist system and I never heard anyone complain about that system ever, but when the Socialist system came in it was just a 2ed rate system that cost the Government tax payer a lot and near bankrupt the country, so many of us need to have private health now.
All of the Southern States people came up here and just talked so much rubbish about every issue, they did not like us Queenslanders and they hated our Premier Sir Joh Bjelke who was the only Premier of any worth truthful hard working honest and a true Christian who even taught Bible study and even got bagged even for that, not to mention that the media just attacked him 24/7 trying to twist everything around like the serpents that they are and all the bozos would swallow it all hook line and sinker and never bothered to look past the media spin because they were too ignorant to bother. all they did was nothing but complain and we would say, well why don't you go back home, we were sick of their stuck up ignorance, making out that they knew it all. but now we are full of such Southerners up here now.
The Satanic Socialist went on a witch hunt to try to find some dirt on Sir Joh in his days as Premier from 1968 to 1987 and they had unlimited time and money and use every trick in the book, but found nothing at all on him, not to mention that he had to defend himself with his own money, but if he had government money to defend himself, he would of wiped the floor with them backward morons. so what happened was a group of criminals within his own party wanted to build Casinos etc and get him out of the way, because he could not be corrupted, now Joh was always warning people about the dangers of such and the Socialist all the time and everything he said back then has all come true. Such people will only bleed the Nation dry and become a Socialist dictatorship run by good for nothing morons, with no worthy morals truly at all and what does one expect from Satanic Atheist.

The Media did everything in it's power to try to destroy Sir Joh, just like they are doing with President D Trump. it's the same game by trying to make a person out to be a good for nothing idiot as much as you can by spinning just total rubbish.
They make Trump out to be just some bum no body with a low IQ, but that's totally false and one would have to stupid to believe that's true. the same was with Sir Joh but he was someone who's working life was way above anyone to hold a candle too with what he did even before he became The Premier. it's always degenerates bagging such people with just blatant malice.

 

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...why I'm suspicious about President Trump. ...the illuminati ...doing signs
...people angry Trump has not built the wall.
...Trump...pressured to sign the Omnibus.

"By their FRUITS ye shall know them."
I see a man who chased money.
Who wasn't faithful to his wives.
Who allegedly bullied people to build casinos. Who allegedly cheated people with Trump U. Asked God for forgiveness he said "No."
I know that his hand signals could be a coincidence... or maybe not.

I see a man WHO;
Had a loving and priviledge upbringing.
Has surpassed the average in hard work.
Has reaped the monetary benefits of working.
Has been VERY gracious with sharing his $$
Has provides work for multitudes of others.
Has expressed love of Beautiful women.
Has married, 3X, divorced 2X,
(That is between him and THOSE women).
Has 5 children HE has provided for.
IS gracious with his $, rejects being bullied
...for others to DEMAND his $.
Funded a "series of Seminars", organized
...in a building called "Trump Unin.", purposed
...for "teaching REAL-ESTATE" methods.
...Some "students" were pleased.
...Some "students" were displeased
...The "displeased" received "settlement"
......reimbursements funds.
Asked for Forgiveness? Doesn't appear so.
....Believes IN God? Yes
....Believes IN Jesus Christ? Yes
....Believes JC is his EXAMPLE to follow? Yes

(WHICH should "we" criticize and decide is WORSE?
A man WHO believes and FOLLOWS ...?
OR
A man WHO claims to have ASKED for Forgiveness...AND THEN "conintues to ASK over and over and over FOR Forgiveness"...
As IF, the Lord having GIVEN FORGIVENESS is not believable? )

I think ^ THAT is business between the individual man and God.

Your endless FIXIATION on "hand gestures"...
Sheesh!

I think Trump has found a very comfortable way FOR HIM, to posture his hands, when LISTENING to another speak.

Personally, I would rather have Trump, represent the Office of the United States, by a respectful hand posturing ...such as he does;
Rather than, fidgeting his hands, tapping, snapping, biting his nails, crossing his arms, scratching his head, resting his head on his hands, waving his hands in the air, putting his hands on his face.

And as far as him or other people making hand gestures....HORNS....you should learn,
It represents "sports clubs", a liking toward individual "sports players";
It represents "musician bands", a liking toward individual "musicians';
"Add" another "digit" (thumb) and it represents LOVE.

And BTW, Numerous People use hand signs for Numerous Reason.

Your fixiation on the ILLUMANITI, reveals NO facts regarding TRUMP having some Secret Involvement with MEN who ARE diligently TRYING to CONTROL the WORLD, through CONTROLLING "Gold, Silver, Money".

I can't do your research for you. I suggest you start at the basics and look up "Illuminati." You'll learn who the bankers are. I read so much material that I could never retrace my steps.

You seem to be impressed with ALL BANKING, ALL BANKERS being part of some SECRET SCHEME.

The numerous small Banks are Peanuts,
The few Big Banks are Peanuts,
People who do business with banks are Peanuts....

Step UP above the Banks, is:
the International Monetary Fund...
Still peanuts.

Board of Directors, is;
Still peanuts.

Controlling "group", Above the Board...out of the Public Eye, is landing you closer to HAND FULL of People WHO Control the Strings....

A TRUE sense of the WORD "ILLUMANITI"...
Is NOT about thousands, or hundreds of Wealthy People....but rather
A VERY SMALL Group (hand full) of People who CONTROL....ALL monetary funds....
EVEN those considered "wealthy" by common standards.

I am concerned about a nuclear attack.

So are others. Numerous countries have been diligently working on, preparing for...
Nuclear war fair. It is inevitable.

They have caught middle-easterners sneaking in through the southern border.

Already well known. Their illegal entrance IS NOT about nuclear attacks.

For the President of the Untied States to buckle to pressure when an entire Nation is at stake and not secure the safety of our country, is a crime.

Any President buckling under pressure, is not a crime.
Nor do I agree with your assessment of Trump.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

Having concerns is one thing.
Pointing, naming names, based on others OPINIONS, is gossip.
Accusing without facts edges on Slander.
To what avial does that Glorify God?

Glory to God.
Taken

No - I know the spirit in my heart and why I raised these concerns. I was concerned that Christians may be deceived while Agenda 21 continues to be advanced. I spoke with a man from Germany yesterday, who moved from there due to the problems with mass migration of Muslims there. He told me he owned a restaurant and was bringing in a lot of money, but he moved from there because he said that by 2020 EU will be ungovernable. He said the design is to collapse the big nations - we're seeing that happen in America. President Trump, for all his blustering about the border, just released another 2,000 migrants into the U.S. Have you driven to your local government office? I urge you to. I had to go there for something and I saw all the migrants packed in there getting welfare. This was when my family members were working from morning until late at night and getting strangled with taxes. We can't do it. Our country is trillions in debt and we just cannot support all these people - it's going to overwhelm the country, just as planned. More are pouring into the country by the day. Some parts of America are completely taken over. Look at how many Americans are tapping SSD and faking it. I think that may be another tactic used. I read statistics that said something like only half the country is working and supporting the other half. Trump signed the Omnibus giving millions in aid to other countries. It looks to me like he's fulfilling Agenda 21 right under our noses, while stating otherwise.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I do not really know about the Canada system.
But we must be some what the same as Canada, it's better than the USA system as you are not forking out huge amounts from what I understand USA is like.
Some of us have Private health like I do, so I can opt to get something done, than to wait maybe 2 years or so. I think it was about 1 year for a op on my knee going on the governments way, so I forked out for it to be done with Private health.

As I said we did have free Hospital in the State of QLD before the Socialist system and I never heard anyone complain about that system ever, but when the Socialist system came in it was just a 2ed rate system that cost the Government tax payer a lot and near bankrupt the country, so many of us need to have private health now.
All of the Southern States people came up here and just talked so much rubbish about every issue, they did not like us Queenslanders and they hated our Premier Sir Joh Bjelke who was the only Premier of any worth truthful hard working honest and a true Christian who even taught Bible study and even got bagged even for that, not to mention that the media just attacked him 24/7 trying to twist everything around like the serpents that they are and all the bozos would swallow it all hook line and sinker and never bothered to look past the media spin because they were too ignorant to bother. all they did was nothing but complain and we would say, well why don't you go back home, we were sick of their stuck up ignorance, making out that they knew it all. but now we are full of such Southerners up here now.
The Satanic Socialist went on a witch hunt to try to find some dirt on Sir Joh in his days as Premier from 1968 to 1987 and they had unlimited time and money and use every trick in the book, but found nothing at all on him, not to mention that he had to defend himself with his own money, but if he had government money to defend himself, he would of wiped the floor with them backward morons. so what happened was a group of criminals within his own party wanted to build Casinos etc and get him out of the way, because he could not be corrupted, now Joh was always warning people about the dangers of such and the Socialist all the time and everything he said back then has all come true. Such people will only bleed the Nation dry and become a Socialist dictatorship run by good for nothing morons, with no worthy morals truly at all and what does one expect from Satanic Atheist.

The Media did everything in it's power to try to destroy Sir Joh, just like they are doing with President D Trump. it's the same game by trying to make a person out to be a good for nothing idiot as much as you can by spinning just total rubbish.
They make Trump out to be just some bum no body with a low IQ, but that's totally false and one would have to stupid to believe that's true. the same was with Sir Joh but he was someone who's working life was way above anyone to hold a candle too with what he did even before he became The Premier. it's always degenerates bagging such people with just blatant malice.

You go broke in America if you incur a health problem or accident. My husband and I spent a lot of money so far on medical bills and now I'm about to incur more. It's outrageous. He had a good job but was still forced to work two jobs.

Two years is a long wait to get something done. Why so long? The socialist health care system apparently doesn't work because I spoke with a woman from Canada who told me it's a terrible system. She said if she needs something important done she goes to America. But our system can bankrupt you. My cousin went broke paying for medical care.

Was Australia divided with the southern states being liberal?

Our political system has grown very corrupt and ugly; politics are dirty. A lot of people are going after President Trump. I'm still unsure about him - not because of the media - I don't trust them - but because of what I've read about Agenda 21. The powers that be might have seen that Christians were ready to explode under godless Obominable, so they may have selected a candidate to pander to Christians, while still slipping their goals through. That's what I think may be happening. "Now the serpent was more subtle that an beast of the field..." If the serpent is behind Agenda 21, then to trick the masses he would place someone in the presidency who says the right things, while still implementing a godless agenda. This is all conjecture, of course, I don't know, I could be wrong.

 

[Soverign Grace]

I see a man WHO;
Had a loving and priviledge upbringing.
Has surpassed the average in hard work.
Has reaped the monetary benefits of working.
Has been VERY gracious with sharing his $$
Has provides work for multitudes of others.
Has expressed love of Beautiful women.
Has married, 3X, divorced 2X,
(That is between him and THOSE women).
Has 5 children HE has provided for.
IS gracious with his $, rejects being bullied
...for others to DEMAND his $.
Funded a "series of Seminars", organized
...in a building called "Trump Unin.", purposed
...for "teaching REAL-ESTATE" methods.
...Some "students" were pleased.
...Some "students" were displeased
...The "displeased" received "settlement"
......reimbursements funds.
Asked for Forgiveness? Doesn't appear so.
....Believes IN God? Yes
....Believes IN Jesus Christ? Yes
....Believes JC is his EXAMPLE to follow? Yes

(WHICH should "we" criticize and decide is WORSE?
A man WHO believes and FOLLOWS ...?
OR
A man WHO claims to have ASKED for Forgiveness...AND THEN "conintues to ASK over and over and over FOR Forgiveness"...
As IF, the Lord having GIVEN FORGIVENESS is not believable? )

I think ^ THAT is business between the individual man and God.

Your endless FIXIATION on "hand gestures"...
Sheesh!

I think Trump has found a very comfortable way FOR HIM, to posture his hands, when LISTENING to another speak.

Personally, I would rather have Trump, represent the Office of the United States, by a respectful hand posturing ...such as he does;
Rather than, fidgeting his hands, tapping, snapping, biting his nails, crossing his arms, scratching his head, resting his head on his hands, waving his hands in the air, putting his hands on his face.

And as far as him or other people making hand gestures....HORNS....you should learn,
It represents "sports clubs", a liking toward individual "sports players";
It represents "musician bands", a liking toward individual "musicians';
"Add" another "digit" (thumb) and it represents LOVE.

And BTW, Numerous People use hand signs for Numerous Reason.

Your fixiation on the ILLUMANITI, reveals NO facts regarding TRUMP having some Secret Involvement with MEN who ARE diligently TRYING to CONTROL the WORLD, through CONTROLLING "Gold, Silver, Money".



You seem to be impressed with ALL BANKING, ALL BANKERS being part of some SECRET SCHEME.

The numerous small Banks are Peanuts,
The few Big Banks are Peanuts,
People who do business with banks are Peanuts....

Step UP above the Banks, is:
the International Monetary Fund...
Still peanuts.

Board of Directors, is;
Still peanuts.

Controlling "group", Above the Board...out of the Public Eye, is landing you closer to HAND FULL of People WHO Control the Strings....

A TRUE sense of the WORD "ILLUMANITI"...
Is NOT about thousands, or hundreds of Wealthy People....but rather
A VERY SMALL Group (hand full) of People who CONTROL....ALL monetary funds....
EVEN those considered "wealthy" by common standards.



So are others. Numerous countries have been diligently working on, preparing for...
Nuclear war fair. It is inevitable.



Already well known. Their illegal entrance IS NOT about nuclear attacks.



Any President buckling under pressure, is not a crime.
Nor do I agree with your assessment of Trump.

Glory to God,
Taken

You're digressing into attacks and slander and I'll ask you to mind your manners. "Am I therefore your enemy because I tell you the truth?" Galations.

Fixation in psychology is an unhealthy attention on a specified object. That is not what I'm doing. I pointed something out and if anyone is fixating it is you since you're obsessing over President Trump's innocence. I'm only responding with my reasoning for why I have doubts about him. I don't mind bantering and healthy discussion but I draw the line when it exceeds that. I understand that you feel strongly about him however - I did too. I vociferously defended him and probably will again, against atheists or Democrats. But as I do that I'm keeping a wary eye on him so as not to be "ignorant of the devil's devices." I've endured a number of spiritual attacks and was forced to learn spiritual warfare. I've dealt with some very manipulative, subtle, people and I know how evil operates. I don't know others' experiences, just my own. And I know that Scripture tells me to walk circumspectly. I'm not going to be bullied, cajoled, or otherwise pushed into compromising with the truth as I know it to be. These are things that make the hair on the back of my neck stand up and I can't turn away from all I've read. I have serious doubts about President Trump. I think he may be fooling a lot of Christians. I've stated that I could be wrong - I don't know. But I think that God may have led me to research this, but again I don't know. The spiritual walk is a tricky one. It is fraught with stepping around land mines, and Pilgrims Progress is an accurate description of our precarious walk.

I studied the subject for months, and I read that the illuminati puppets like to gesture in public to show their allegiance to them. Websites such as this one is what made me doubt:

Top Ten Illuminati Signs | Illuminati Rex

Excerpt: Hand signs of the Illuminati can be flashed in public by puppet world leaders and celebrities while the unsuspecting masses remain ignorant.

Please watch this video; it will explain the signs in more depth.

There are sometimes coincidences but the way that President Trump continually throws the triple six I don't believe that it's an accident anymore. He's a smart man. I was speaking with a man from Germany yesterday who told me that we don't get to choose who is President anymore. I tend to agree. America is the most powerful nation on earth. Do you really think the powers that be would let someone independent get in there? They allegedly had Kennedy killed because he refused to go along with them. This is the speech that John F. Kennedy gave 10 days before he was assassinated. I watched a documentary that proved that it was the Secret Service car traveling behind him that killed him

I understand why you believe strongly. I just don't want to be fooled. I don't want to sway any believer against President Trump because I could be wrong. Every believer has their own discernment system so it's up to everyone to use it. But mine is waving red flags. The jury's still out - I'm just watching carefully.

Behold, how good and how pleasant it is for brethren to dwell together in unity! Psalms 133:1

I think believers can dwell together in unity while still holding disparate beliefs. Our beliefs constantly evolve as new material is incorporated. One or both of our beliefs may evolve.

 

[Taken]

No - I know the spirit in my heart and why I raised these concerns.

Your "raised" concerns, admittedly are "new to you".
They are NOT "new concerns", to the people whom you think you are "revealing" something to them.

Know the spirit in your heart...
It is telling you, particular things WILL come to pass.

John 14
[27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

I was concerned that Christians may be deceived while Agenda 21 continues to be advanced. I spoke with a man from Germany yesterday, who moved from there due to the problems with mass migration of Muslims there. He told me he owned a restaurant and was bringing in a lot of money, but he moved from there because he said that by 2020 EU will be ungovernable. He said the design is to collapse the big nations - we're seeing that happen in America. President Trump, for all his blustering about the border, just released another 2,000 migrants into the U.S. Have you driven to your local government office? I urge you to. I had to go there for something and I saw all the migrants packed in there getting welfare. This was when my family members were working from morning until late at night and getting strangled with taxes. We can't do it. Our country is trillions in debt and we just cannot support all these people - it's going to overwhelm the country, just as planned. More are pouring into the country by the day. Some parts of America are completely taken over. Look at how many Americans are tapping SSD and faking it. I think that may be another tactic used. I read statistics that said something like only half the country is working and supporting the other half. Trump signed the Omnibus giving millions in aid to other countries. It looks to me like he's fulfilling Agenda 21 right under our noses, while stating otherwise.

What you are revealing repeatedly with every single post of Specific EXAMPLES IS;
You are concerned, troubled, afraid, worried...

John 14:
[27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Prophecy is already FORETOLD, these things WILL come to pass....
Don't let them STEAL away your PEACE.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

You're digressing into attacks and slander and I'll ask you to mind your manners. "Am I therefore your enemy because I tell you the truth?" Galations.

Don't confuse the TRUTH with Attack and Slander.

SPECIFICALLY "I" SAID...

"YOUR" fixiation on "hand gestures".
"YOUR" fixiation on "Illuminati".

YOU have posted NUMEROUS posts SPECIFIC to speaking, stating, over and over and over...
About HAND GESTURES and ILLUMINATE.

FIXIATION MEANS ~
an obsessive interest in or feeling about someone or something.

WHAT IS SAID IS TRUE....YOU have revealed your "obsessive interest", BY repeating it over, and over, and over, and over, and over.

I understand that you feel strongly about him however - I did too.

MY POINT IS....YOU HAVE NOT A CLUE WHAT I FEEL/BELIEVE/UNDERSTAND.

I BELIEVE...numerous people make hand gestures.

I BELIEVE....hand gestures DO NOT DEFINE what a PERSON themself IS, or themself BELIEVES.

I BELIEVE....hand gestures, the ilumaniti DO NOT DEFINE a persons SPIRITUAL Belief.

NO ONE has a copyright or patent on HAND GESTURES!

YOU SAID TO ME:

" you're obsessing over President Trump's innocence "

FUNNY...you tell me to "mind my manners"...When I was SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU SAID....and then..."YOU TELL ME I AM Obsessing.........OVER Trump's "INNOCENSE".

When did I say ONE THING about "Trumps INNOCENSE?....I didn't.

I was CLEAR...
YOU made specific charges ABOUT TRUMP.
YOUR PROOF....his hand gestures means he is illumanti ? NONE! Other peoples OPINIONS is not PROOF.

I was CLEAR...
I mentioned MANY PEOPLE make hand gestures.
I mentioned PARTICULAR PEOPLE who make PARTICULAR hand gestures.

What you FAIL to understand is I don't care what is OTHER people's OPINIONS...

I don't care WHAT Person makes WHAT hand gestures.

I make hand gestures, and I KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN "TO ME".

If you think YOU are privy to WHAT another IS THINKING when "THEY" make "hand gestures"....that's YOU...not me.

AND IF YOU DO NOT "KNOW", but carry on and on and on, as IF YOU DO....you have a Fixiation, Obsession, leading into Gossip and Slander....which frankly has become WORN out to my ears and WORN out on this forum.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

Your "raised" concerns, admittedly are "new to you".
They are NOT "new concerns", to the people whom you think you are "revealing" something to them.

Know the spirit in your heart...
It is telling you, particular things WILL come to pass.

John 14
[27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.




What you are revealing repeatedly with every single post of Specific EXAMPLES IS;
You are concerned, troubled, afraid, worried...

John 14:
[27] Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

Prophecy is already FORETOLD, these things WILL come to pass....
Don't let them STEAL away your PEACE.

Glory to God,
Taken

They may not be new to you Taken, but may be new to some others on here that I tried to reach.

You don't know the spirit in my heart or what it's telling me but I know the spirit in which I posted that information. It wasn't to put down President Trump, it was an attempt to possibly alert other believers to what I was seeing. I've said all along that I don't know if it's right or not - I left room in the event I was mistaken. There must be some reason why Satan doesn't want it posted because I'm getting attacked heavily; possibly over this - in fact I would appreciate your prayers.

I appreciate the verse but I don't lack peace over this. I'm trying to figure out what God wants me to do. It's not easy for anyone to know exactly what to do in any given situation unless it's a law laid out in the bible. I know these things are going to come to pass. What I was trying to do was to possibly alert other believers so they wouldn't be deceived. But I appreciate your concern.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Don't confuse the TRUTH with Attack and Slander.

SPECIFICALLY "I" SAID...

"YOUR" fixiation on "hand gestures".
"YOUR" fixiation on "Illuminati".

YOU have posted NUMEROUS posts SPECIFIC to speaking, stating, over and over and over...
About HAND GESTURES and ILLUMINATE.

FIXIATION MEANS ~
an obsessive interest in or feeling about someone or something.

WHAT IS SAID IS TRUE....YOU have revealed your "obsessive interest", BY repeating it over, and over, and over, and over, and over.



MY POINT IS....YOU HAVE NOT A CLUE WHAT I FEEL/BELIEVE/UNDERSTAND.

I BELIEVE...numerous people make hand gestures.

I BELIEVE....hand gestures DO NOT DEFINE what a PERSON themself IS, or themself BELIEVES.

I BELIEVE....hand gestures, the ilumaniti DO NOT DEFINE a persons SPIRITUAL Belief.

NO ONE has a copyright or patent on HAND GESTURES!

YOU SAID TO ME:



FUNNY...you tell me to "mind my manners"...When I was SPEAKING TO WHAT YOU SAID....and then..."YOU TELL ME I AM Obsessing.........OVER Trump's "INNOCENSE".

When did I say ONE THING about "Trumps INNOCENSE?....I didn't.

I was CLEAR...
YOU made specific charges ABOUT TRUMP.
YOUR PROOF....his hand gestures means he is illumanti ? NONE! Other peoples OPINIONS is not PROOF.

I was CLEAR...
I mentioned MANY PEOPLE make hand gestures.
I mentioned PARTICULAR PEOPLE who make PARTICULAR hand gestures.

What you FAIL to understand is I don't care what is OTHER people's OPINIONS...

I don't care WHAT Person makes WHAT hand gestures.

I make hand gestures, and I KNOW WHAT THEY MEAN "TO ME".

If you think YOU are privy to WHAT another IS THINKING when "THEY" make "hand gestures"....that's YOU...not me.

AND IF YOU DO NOT "KNOW", but carry on and on and on, as IF YOU DO....you have a Fixiation, Obsession, leading into Gossip and Slander....which frankly has become WORN out to my ears and WORN out on this forum.

Glory to God,
Taken

Taken - I don't want to haggle over this because we obviously hold different opinions. At some point God is going to show you or me that we're wrong. That's okay. We're each doing the best that we know to do. Sometimes the flesh gets in there and we each want to prove that we're right - and by that I mean everyone, including me. So I think it's best to drop it and let God show us what the truth is. I've been in almost every denomination and saw so much. I saw Christians haggle over what music to play in the church. I've also seen downright devilish acts committed by christians and know that believers are just as capable as nonbelievers of being manipulative and lying to themselves and twisting semantics to work in their behalf. They sin with a christian twist to it. I studied it.

It's not worth it to destroy unity over a matter like this; it's probably an attack from the evil one - one that he uses in churches a good deal. However, I don't ever believe that Christians should compromise on the truth or what they believe to be truth, for the sake of getting along. Truth has a rugged hill to climb and I've found the more I try to tell the truth the worse I get attacked. Satan loves lies. But sometimes if two believers think they're following the truth as you and I apparently do - then to keep the unity I think it's best to wait for more light from God. I think this is one of those times we should drop the topic until God chooses to reveal more to either you or I.

 

[Helen]

Having concerns is one thing.
Pointing, naming names, based on others OPINIONS, is gossip.
Accusing without facts edges on Slander.
To what avial does that Glorify God?

Glory to God.
Taken

AMEN!!
Hey, we are almost the best of friend now

Agree, for in FACT none of us KNOW anything..we only speak out of what has been fed to us...very fews have any first hand real knowledge.

*Note.. I even find myself emphasizing by using THE CAPS now..I must be catching it from your posts!!! LOL

 

[Taken]

They may not be new to you Taken, but may be new to some others on here that I tried to reach.

Hey...it is one thing to talk ABOUT something you just learned....

But look at what you ARE talking about...

Other peoples ANGER, for the wall not being built. Shocking! Trump is angry too. Not about as you carry on about the wall not being built, (because IT IS BEING BUILT)...and Trump is NOT pleased with the SLOW progress, and constant monkey wrenches.

So that is ONE THING...you repeating and implying Trump has done nothing concerning the Wall. You project...there is no WALL in the process of being BUILT...and it IS.

Then the Ilumaniti....and "THEIR" hand gestures...WHAT ABOUT THEIR HAND GESTURES? DOES some "secret" society have EXCLUSIVE copyrights and patents on HAND GeSTUReS? NO, they don't.

MANY people use hand gestures...I even told you of some that are supposedly the SAME gestures "a secret society of THE illuminati use". SO WHAT? You Carry on about hand gestures....as if...ALL well known, well positioned, wealthy men.....who use "particular" hand gestures .... THEREFORE...
MUST be "part" of some secret society, call the illuminati......But them YOU do not really KNOW, WHAT their secret society IS, or WHO is a part of it....But yet you are NAMING NAMES IN Connection to THEM....because you READ someone else's trivial Opinion.

Really? your spirit is LEADING you to INFORM people...Trump IS in some secret society who wants to RULE the WORLD?

And your FACTS are, "hand gestures" and "other peoples opinions" ?

WOW! I have Not Read ONE Scriture that slightly HINTS, that that IS what the baptism of the Holy Spirit does.

It wasn't to put down President Trump, it was an attempt to possibly alert other believers to what I was seeing.

Friend...
WHAT exactly were you seeing?
Trump makes hand gestures. So?
You read somewhere, someone you do not know, SAID, "some" of Trumps hand gestures are like those of some "secret society of people called the illuminati"..so?

THAT ^ is informing people of what you were seeing....which you have already DONE on Numerous PAGES.

But you continued, giving your opinion, that turned into gossip and accusations.

And THAT is what I was SEEING.
And you had NO PROOF of your gossip and accusations.

THAT carrying on and on, with NOT one iota of PROOF.... is over the top.

There must be some reason why Satan doesn't want it posted because I'm getting attacked heavily;

No one had a qualm about you posting what "you saw".....it is your endless posting of gossip, accusations, wondering.....

possibly over this - in fact I would appreciate your prayers.

I appreciate the verse but I don't lack peace over this. I'm trying to figure out what God wants me to do. It's not easy for anyone to know exactly what to do in any given situation unless it's a law laid out in the bible. I know these things are going to come to pass. What I was trying to do was to possibly alert other believers so they wouldn't be deceived. But I appreciate your concern.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

You go broke in America if you incur a health problem or accident. My husband and I spent a lot of money so far on medical bills and now I'm about to incur more. It's outrageous. He had a good job but was still forced to work two jobs.

Two years is a long wait to get something done. Why so long? The socialist health care system apparently doesn't work because I spoke with a woman from Canada who told me it's a terrible system. She said if she needs something important done she goes to America. But our system can bankrupt you. My cousin went broke paying for medical care.

Was Australia divided with the southern states being liberal?

Our political system has grown very corrupt and ugly; politics are dirty. A lot of people are going after President Trump. I'm still unsure about him - not because of the media - I don't trust them - but because of what I've read about Agenda 21. The powers that be might have seen that Christians were ready to explode under godless Obominable, so they may have selected a candidate to pander to Christians, while still slipping their goals through. That's what I think may be happening. "Now the serpent was more subtle that an beast of the field..." If the serpent is behind Agenda 21, then to trick the masses he would place someone in the presidency who says the right things, while still implementing a godless agenda. This is all conjecture, of course, I don't know, I could be wrong.

A mate said the other week was claiming that the republicans were left wing and I said that they were right wing, but the word Liberal has been bastardised over the years to become something totally 180 deg from what it once meant, the same was so in the USA once but the Socialist take advantage of the stupidity of the English language, that can be bastardised as such, so that one word can change it's meaning 180 deg, so it can muddy the waters so to speak in many ways so you may not be on the same page when talking about something and you can find such when talking about religion that the fact is that you may think that you are both in agreement but the fact is your not truly, when you look into it in depth. there is a misunderstanding on what the words may mean.

We in Australia have a Liberal Party, that's what it's been called for 50 so years, but now we have had that Party change it's spots with the last PM that just got the sack, who is a Socialist and in bed with the NWO and all the far right and the real wealthy people who are nothing but parasites that only love use people for there own ends, they are cunning types who see the world as there oyster and are not Nationalistic or patriotic at all and just such stuck up snobs that it's unbelievable and it's this faction that have always been a pain in the Party always, but the other half of that party faction have been of Conservatives Values and the PM was cunningly going about getting rid of the best most powerful conservatives within the Party, he near destroyed the Party, but the media do not say that, they ask why, as if they don't have a clue what went wrong. well I am in the New Conservative Party and we had their loyal members all their life, who were jumping ship to our party and they were angry as hell about the direction that there Party was heading.

We have a Labour Party as well that was a good Party when it was first formed but then the Socialist came and wormed it's way in.

So we have two major Party's called the Liberal Party and the Labour Party and no one other is allowed to pop up and rule or they will join and attack with everything they got and play as dirty as it gets, slander you name it !

The Southern States are wealthy and stuck up types more so.

Like you said about the Serpent was, is totally true and fact is that such is getting more powerful dominating over all, we even have a Pope that claims that the God of Islam is the same God as his ?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Now I have a problem with a statement like the Pope saying such a outright stupid blasphemy beyond belief !
Fact is that Islam does not know God ! and even the Jews do not know God !
Fact is that no one comes to the Father but through his only begotten Son !
Pope Frances is a Satanist trying to make friends with the world, Jesus Christ Kingdom is not of this world ?
True Christians have a Spiritual Kingdom that guides them, it's called the Kingdom of God ! not the kingdom of mans works or such nonsense, we follow Jesus Christ as our Lord and Saviour and he is the King of Kings Lord of Lords, Emmanuel God with us. he is the god who is the Holy Spirit, our guide and Shepherd.

 

[Taken]

AMEN!!
Hey, we are almost the best of friend now

Agree, for in FACT none of us KNOW anything..we only speak out of what has been fed to us...very fews have any first hand real knowledge.

*Note.. I even find myself emphasizing by using THE CAPS now..I must be catching it from your posts!!! LOL

LOL...try making your posts from a phone...
The caps are so much easier than bold or color!!

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Soverign Grace]

AMEN!!
Hey, we are almost the best of friend now

Agree, for in FACT none of us KNOW anything..we only speak out of what has been fed to us...very fews have any first hand real knowledge.

*Note.. I even find myself emphasizing by using THE CAPS now..I must be catching it from your posts!!! LOL

Yes, there are all manner of manipulations that even christians use, evident to those with discernment. It shows who that person is within. No matter what semantics people use, those with an eye to see can see.
“Your actions speak so loudly, I can not hear what you are saying.”

― Ralph Waldo Emerson

 

[Soverign Grace]

Hey...it is one thing to talk ABOUT something you just learned....

But look at what you ARE talking about...

Other peoples ANGER, for the wall not being built. Shocking! Trump is angry too. Not about as you carry on about the wall not being built, (because IT IS BEING BUILT)...and Trump is NOT pleased with the SLOW progress, and constant monkey wrenches.

So that is ONE THING...you repeating and implying Trump has done nothing concerning the Wall. You project...there is no WALL in the process of being BUILT...and it IS.

Then the Ilumaniti....and "THEIR" hand gestures...WHAT ABOUT THEIR HAND GESTURES? DOES some "secret" society have EXCLUSIVE copyrights and patents on HAND GeSTUReS? NO, they don't.

MANY people use hand gestures...I even told you of some that are supposedly the SAME gestures "a secret society of THE illuminati use". SO WHAT? You Carry on about hand gestures....as if...ALL well known, well positioned, wealthy men.....who use "particular" hand gestures .... THEREFORE...
MUST be "part" of some secret society, call the illuminati......But them YOU do not really KNOW, WHAT their secret society IS, or WHO is a part of it....But yet you are NAMING NAMES IN Connection to THEM....because you READ someone else's trivial Opinion.

Really? your spirit is LEADING you to INFORM people...Trump IS in some secret society who wants to RULE the WORLD?

And your FACTS are, "hand gestures" and "other peoples opinions" ?

WOW! I have Not Read ONE Scriture that slightly HINTS, that that IS what the baptism of the Holy Spirit does.



Friend...
WHAT exactly were you seeing?
Trump makes hand gestures. So?
You read somewhere, someone you do not know, SAID, "some" of Trumps hand gestures are like those of some "secret society of people called the illuminati"..so?

THAT ^ is informing people of what you were seeing....which you have already DONE on Numerous PAGES.

But you continued, giving your opinion, that turned into gossip and accusations.

And THAT is what I was SEEING.
And you had NO PROOF of your gossip and accusations.

THAT carrying on and on, with NOT one iota of PROOF.... is over the top.



No one had a qualm about you posting what "you saw".....it is your endless posting of gossip, accusations, wondering.....




Glory to God,
Taken

Taken, I'm not discussing this with you anymore.
Galatians 4:16 King James Version (KJV)
Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?

I urge you to research it yourself. I don't think discussing this is going to edify. Let's keep the peace. You're a brother in Christ; we have to wait until God gives more light. You can be wrong or I can be wrong. Some things only come clear in time or when God chooses to reveal them. I posted one more video below and that's going to be it. God will have to speak from here.

 

[Soverign Grace]

A mate said the other week was claiming that the republicans were left wing and I said that they were right wing, but the word Liberal has been bastardised over the years to become something totally 180 deg from what it once meant, the same was so in the USA once but the Socialist take advantage of the stupidity of the English language, that can be bastardised as such, so that one word can change it's meaning 180 deg, so it can muddy the waters so to speak in many ways so you may not be on the same page when talking about something and you can find such when talking about religion that the fact is that you may think that you are both in agreement but the fact is your not truly, when you look into it in depth. there is a misunderstanding on what the words may mean.

We in Australia have a Liberal Party, that's what it's been called for 50 so years, but now we have had that Party change it's spots with the last PM that just got the sack, who is a Socialist and in bed with the NWO and all the far right and the real wealthy people who are nothing but parasites that only love use people for there own ends, they are cunning types who see the world as there oyster and are not Nationalistic or patriotic at all and just such stuck up snobs that it's unbelievable and it's this faction that have always been a pain in the Party always, but the other half of that party faction have been of Conservatives Values and the PM was cunningly going about getting rid of the best most powerful conservatives within the Party, he near destroyed the Party, but the media do not say that, they ask why, as if they don't have a clue what went wrong. well I am in the New Conservative Party and we had their loyal members all their life, who were jumping ship to our party and they were angry as hell about the direction that there Party was heading.

We have a Labour Party as well that was a good Party when it was first formed but then the Socialist came and wormed it's way in.

So we have two major Party's called the Liberal Party and the Labour Party and no one other is allowed to pop up and rule or they will join and attack with everything they got and play as dirty as it gets, slander you name it !

The Southern States are wealthy and stuck up types more so.

Like you said about the Serpent was, is totally true and fact is that such is getting more powerful dominating over all, we even have a Pope that claims that the God of Islam is the same God as his ?

Australia is like America then - we have the same Elites who only think the country is here to serve them, the rest of you be d*mned. They aren't nationalistic or patriotic. They want increased migration here so they can use migrants as slave labor while handing jobs to migrants and not hiring Americans. We have a RINO in our local office who has done a lot to keep the border open for the farmers, while drugs flooded our area killing so many young people. It's criminal that they've done this. I'm appalled that parents and grandparents aren't in the streets demanding that our border be secured. I constantly urge people to contact their representatives but people are lackadaisical and some think God does it all so they don't have to do it. Christians I've found, are too passive. But it seems that the debate is heating up, I just hope more Americans speak out.

That's interesting that Australia is divided. America is too - you have the rich areas and the poor.

I believe the Pope said that. Have you ever watched any of Walter Veith's videos? He talks about the Catholic church - I still have more to learn. It takes me awhile to absorb things so I have to watch them several times. Brakelite shared one yesterday with the head of the Episcopal church uniting with the Catholic church. We have a lot of pastors in America who I wouldn't trust as far as I could throw them.

 

[Soverign Grace]

Hey...it is one thing to talk ABOUT something you just learned....

But look at what you ARE talking about...

Other peoples ANGER, for the wall not being built. Shocking! Trump is angry too. Not about as you carry on about the wall not being built, (because IT IS BEING BUILT)...and Trump is NOT pleased with the SLOW progress, and constant monkey wrenches.

So that is ONE THING...you repeating and implying Trump has done nothing concerning the Wall. You project...there is no WALL in the process of being BUILT...and it IS.

Then the Ilumaniti....and "THEIR" hand gestures...WHAT ABOUT THEIR HAND GESTURES? DOES some "secret" society have EXCLUSIVE copyrights and patents on HAND GeSTUReS? NO, they don't.

MANY people use hand gestures...I even told you of some that are supposedly the SAME gestures "a secret society of THE illuminati use". SO WHAT? You Carry on about hand gestures....as if...ALL well known, well positioned, wealthy men.....who use "particular" hand gestures .... THEREFORE...
MUST be "part" of some secret society, call the illuminati......But them YOU do not really KNOW, WHAT their secret society IS, or WHO is a part of it....But yet you are NAMING NAMES IN Connection to THEM....because you READ someone else's trivial Opinion.

Really? your spirit is LEADING you to INFORM people...Trump IS in some secret society who wants to RULE the WORLD?

And your FACTS are, "hand gestures" and "other peoples opinions" ?

WOW! I have Not Read ONE Scriture that slightly HINTS, that that IS what the baptism of the Holy Spirit does.



Friend...
WHAT exactly were you seeing?
Trump makes hand gestures. So?
You read somewhere, someone you do not know, SAID, "some" of Trumps hand gestures are like those of some "secret society of people called the illuminati"..so?

THAT ^ is informing people of what you were seeing....which you have already DONE on Numerous PAGES.

But you continued, giving your opinion, that turned into gossip and accusations.

And THAT is what I was SEEING.
And you had NO PROOF of your gossip and accusations.

THAT carrying on and on, with NOT one iota of PROOF.... is over the top.



No one had a qualm about you posting what "you saw".....it is your endless posting of gossip, accusations, wondering.....




Glory to God,
Taken

Here is a resource that someone here shared with me privately. I ask you to watch it in its entirety. It may make some things clear or it may make things clear a little at a time. Even if you disagree with it, I urge you to re-watch it in a few weeks, as I get something from it when I re-watch it. You don't have to agree with it, just keep it in mind as we move forward.

 

[Taken]

Taken, I'm not discussing this with you anymore.

Thank you.
God Bless,

Taken